> The source familiar with TikTok's internal discussions on the matter says the president's order appeared rushed and did not include carveouts or exceptions for TikTok to maintain any legal representation, which the company plans to argue is a violation of due process rights.<p>This is the important part for me and the reason the order could actually be overturned and need to be redone.<p>The administration keeps doing these half-assed orders that would go through fine if they just did the process correctly, but for one reason or another they seem incapable of it.
Anyone else find it amusing one of the biggest “things” going on at the moment is not a global pandemic, racial injustice/social activism, but the country banning a silly social media platform? :)
I support TikTok in this matter. I'm not comfortable with the United States banning companies. We should strive to be the best place on earth to do business in. We are an open country and we benefit from being open. We benefit from competition.<p>If I'm afraid China is taking my personal information, it's up to me, the consumer, to delete the app. It's up to Apple to design APIs to prevent real theft of such things as passwords left on your clipboard, or location data.<p>Many people will point to the fact that TikTok is controlled by a single party, the CCP, and may push various points of view. I don't see how that is different than Twitter whose employees give to the Democrats at a North Korean level of popular support [1] (99.8% of political gifts given to non GOP candidates). Twitter famously shadow ban conservatives, cause liberal ideas to "trend", and push a political agenda even if I'm there just for technology news.<p>Again, comparing TikTok to Twitter, when I load TikTok I see music videos and no politics. When I load Twitter I see riots, violence and people complaining about Trump (24/7 365). It's like looking into the depths of the abyss. Twitter provides a platform for countries to threaten one another, for example Iran threatens Israel on its platform. TikTok provides a platform to make music videos. How is again Twitter superior?<p>One other point, I wish to make is the way we are handling the transfer of TikTok to Microsoft. We are literally taking TikTok's business and giving it to Microsoft with a "Big fee" paid to the Federal Government. Considering China's history, this will offend them. What if they did the same thing to us? What if they did not trust Apple's business in China? What if they stole Apple's Chinese business, and gave it to Tencent with a fee paid to the CCP?<p>TikTok is a major accomplishment because it's the first US top rated social network not designed in the United States. This is something to be celebrated and a cause to inspire us to compete to make something even better. Taking it, transferring it or banning it is not the way to go.<p>[1] <a href="https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_employer=twitter&two_year_transaction_period=2020&min_date=01%2F01%2F2019&max_date=12%2F31%2F2020" rel="nofollow">https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?...</a>
Completely expected. Trump doesn’t really have a good track record in coming up with legal executive orders, while Tiktok is completely in their rights to contest this order. And...judicial review is what sets the USA apart from China.
I am not opposed to a ban. However, I am opposed to the executive having the power to force companies (foreign or otherwise) to sell assets.<p>We are really entering developing country territory here.
Here‘s a slightly related HN post which just makes it to the HN front page as well: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24090923" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24090923</a>
Seems natural. The only proof he has of the claims of risks against national security seems to be his typical wild ramblings of “a lot of people say! Everyone knows! Just read the manuals, read the books!” While not being able to mention a single name or fact.<p>If trump forces trough this sale, the EU are bring morons if they don’t forcefully take over EU facebooks and LinkedIn business by Wednesday next week.
I'd start the questioning like this...<p>"On an average day how many kids under 13 do you think join TikTok without their parents knowledge?"<p>"On an average day, how many teens under 18 and preteens dance in a manner that would be considered provocative on your platform?"