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Over 400 vulnerabilities on Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chip

381 pointsby Flenseralmost 5 years ago

21 comments

AdmiralAsshatalmost 5 years ago
Do any of these vulnerabilities let us unlock the bootloader?
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sp332almost 5 years ago
While they are still withholding info about how to exploit the bugs, there is more technical detail in their Defcon talk, &quot;Pwn2Own Qualcomm Compute DSP for Fun and Profit&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CrLJ29quZY8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CrLJ29quZY8</a>
wyldfirealmost 5 years ago
Also discussed here<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24081581" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24081581</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24092545" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24092545</a>
mschuster91almost 5 years ago
Seriously I&#x27;m beyond pissed at the state of Android, patches and open-source compliance. If we are <i>lucky</i> 10% of current phone models will get any form of update. The rest will be vulnerable for <i>years</i> until the devices finally break.<p>And that&#x27;s only the Qualcomm stuff. There is another CPU vendor beginning with M who is big in el-cheapo hardware - look at their Android kernel leaks, wherever you dig you find horrid, HORRID code.<p>Google should mandate full open source disclosure of all GPL&#x27;d components as part of the Play Store certification and unlockable bootloaders, otherwise this shit is never going to change.
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throwmemoneyalmost 5 years ago
“A single SoC (Software on Chip) may include features to enable daily mobile usage such as image processing, computer vision, neural network-related calculations, camera streaming, audio and voice data.“<p>Should be SoC (System on Chip)
cbsksalmost 5 years ago
Here&#x27;s a link to the DEF CON talk: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CrLJ29quZY8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CrLJ29quZY8</a>
daneel_walmost 5 years ago
There seems to be some confusion on the authors&#x27; behalf about what a DSP is, and what an SoC is (&quot;software&quot; on chip, as they call it...) I&#x27;m just nitpicking, of course.
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supernova87aalmost 5 years ago
I wonder if Apple&#x2F;others knew about such vulnerabilities, and passed up on using the chip as a risk? Or, was it just dumb luck that they avoided this?
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fsfloveralmost 5 years ago
Time to switch to open source:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pinephone" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pinephone</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Librem_5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Librem_5</a>
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ithrowalmost 5 years ago
I guess this makes &quot;national security&quot; as an argument a bad joke.
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akshayBalmost 5 years ago
Hardware vulnerability and issues are hard to address at times as it can be connected to other vendor hardware or softwares. I always wonder if these flaws are left in the design intentionally or its just a sneaky bad bugs.
maxdoalmost 5 years ago
Is there any related data for Apple?
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segfaultbuserralmost 5 years ago
I wonder how would it be like to fill application forms for over 400 CVE numbers, or reading a security advisory with the first page exclusively occupied by CVE numbers. Well, seriously speaking, they&#x27;ll probably group these vulnerabilities and apply a big one.
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based2almost 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;netsec&#x2F;comments&#x2F;i58ex8&#x2F;new_qualcomm_chip_vulnerability&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;netsec&#x2F;comments&#x2F;i58ex8&#x2F;new_qualcomm...</a>
LoveMortuusalmost 5 years ago
Would having an open source chip with a rolling release be more secure? Like as soon as the vulnerability is discovered you would push the fix and the next generations would already be fixed. Or would such frequent changes to the chip design be to difficult to mass produce, due to having to modify the production process?<p>This is coming from a point of view that Linux is quite a success and thus maybe the same philosophy could be used for hardware?
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kanoxalmost 5 years ago
Shouldn&#x27;t proper IOMMU usage prevent this?<p>In theory when properly configured the DSP or GPU should be unable to touch system RAM outside of buffers that are specifically assigned to them.<p>I&#x27;m not very familiar with the status of IOMMU on Android devices.
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joemazerinoalmost 5 years ago
Google has pushed the patch for this back to October. I wonder what will happen to downstream vendors (Samsung, CopperheadOS)?
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jamistevenalmost 5 years ago
You say vulnerability, we say feature.
rStaralmost 5 years ago
insecure by design
ETHisso2017almost 5 years ago
If the US government hadn&#x27;t sanctioned Huawei, we could have an alternative to these chips.
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walterbellalmost 5 years ago
SpaceX designed custom SoCs for their isolated offshore&#x2F;offworld network of Starlink satellites, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spacenews.com&#x2F;spacex-accused-of-poaching-chipmakers-employees&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spacenews.com&#x2F;spacex-accused-of-poaching-chipmakers-...</a><p><i>&gt; Broadcom filed suit ... claiming SpaceX hired a number of Broadcom’s top engineers to develop “a family of sophisticated, customized computer chips.” The two companies had been working together on the development of advanced computer chips for an undisclosed project, but SpaceX ultimately ended the collaboration.</i>
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