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Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

307 pointsby izikalmost 5 years ago
Hello hackers. What would be your advice for Belarus protesters to keep connected to each other and the rest of the world.There are some solutions for short-range communication (e.g. https://briarproject.org/), but what are the solutions for the mid-range (e.g. city) and long-range (hundreds of kilometers) communication? I suppose the HAM radio could be used for that or AMPRNet. Any ideas how to provide low-cost, decentralized, communication infrastructure for the time when internet is cut off?

42 comments

varjagalmost 5 years ago
There is no plausible solution for multitude of reasons listed in other comments.<p>What I suggest, perhaps as last ditch effort, is look in the opposite direction: attacking the remaining Beltelecom and mobile layer2&#x2F;3 connectivity in the country.<p>The only reason the limited networking is still up and running is not some residual generosity of the regime. It is because traditional PSTN and long range special comms services are all routed via IP trunking these days. Disrupting these will also disrupt operations level communication between KGB, police and presidential security units that are squashing the protests.<p>(Жыве Беларусь!)
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throwaway89201almost 5 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised Scuttlebutt [1][2] hasn&#x27;t gotten a mention.<p>It allows you to create your own social media feed with messages, responses and media completely offline. You then gossip that feed to anyone you want, for example via the local (WiFi) network or even by USB stick. Long range communication is done by car or by train.<p>There are servers (pubs) that can be used for more real-time communication. Or to make the information available on the internet after it has been sneaked out of Belarus. The main pubs have a dedicated, friendly and active community. [3]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scuttlebutt.nz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scuttlebutt.nz</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8Xjphvcd8Sw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8Xjphvcd8Sw</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=PbzGpKffQuM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=PbzGpKffQuM</a>
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oconnorealmost 5 years ago
All of these censorship resistant communication projects tend to assume that the network needs to be low latency, always connected, etc. It’s far easier to build a robust network if you relax that assumption, and cheap hard drives + e2e encryption mean you ought to be able to route a large volume of private p2p messaging &#x2F; email in addition to any curated content that’s distributed more widely.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boingboing.net&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;03&#x2F;inside-cubas-massive-weekly.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boingboing.net&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;03&#x2F;inside-cubas-massive-weekl...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;07&#x2F;inside-cubas-diy-internet-revolution&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;07&#x2F;inside-cubas-diy-internet-revo...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;El_Paquete_Semanal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;El_Paquete_Semanal</a>
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OCuvui0ialmost 5 years ago
During the arab spring, people in Tunisia managed to communicate with outside world thanks to proxies set by outside crackers on tunisian governement&#x27;s servers. Turns out that when tyrants want to cut their people out of the internet, they still want access themselves.<p>If crackers around the world want to actually be useful, now is the time.
ClumsyPilotalmost 5 years ago
This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.tut.by&#x2F;society&#x2F;696375.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.tut.by&#x2F;society&#x2F;696375.html</a><p>I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative &#x2F; government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It&#x27;s a small country that depends on trade with the free world.<p>Secondly, we need a crowdfunder to support people who&#x27;ve suffered grevious bodily harm at the hands of this regime.
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DoingIsLearningalmost 5 years ago
For large gatherings you can have Bluetooth connected mesh networks. There are apps that already implement this out of the box like Bridgefy or Briar.<p>You can have a network of consumer radio walkie talkies with privacy codes, each node spread with a range of about 20km, depending on the weather and terrain. But this is would need dedicated hardware which I assume is not easily sourced in the current restricted environment.<p>Edit: Maybe if you setup a network of walkie talkies on rooftops you could probably maximize the node spread if are able to keep line of sight across each node.
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NietTimalmost 5 years ago
If you can dial up, Dutch ISP XS4all has setup a free gateway: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;xs4all&#x2F;status&#x2F;1293153863030243328" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;xs4all&#x2F;status&#x2F;1293153863030243328</a>
urzaalmost 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;disaster.radio&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;disaster.radio&#x2F;</a><p>disaster.radio is an off-grid, solar-powered, long-range mesh network built on free, open source software and affordable, open hardware.<p>Designed to be open, distributed, and decentralized, disaster.radio is currently in the prototype&#x2F;development phase.
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gnareaalmost 5 years ago
I think it depends on what exactly you need before, during and&#x2F;or after the protest.<p>Generally, I think Briar is your best bet for the <i>organisers</i> of the protest, since it&#x27;s meant to communicate a group of people, but not broadcast data to anyone (inc. strangers). It can help you before, during and after the protest. However, you&#x27;ll need a connection to the Internet to synchronise over what you describe as mid- and long-ranges (it&#x27;d use Tor in that case).<p>One thing to note is that when a repressive regime cuts off the Internet, it never gets to 100% of the affected population. At a minimum, certain government institutions will remain connected, but often also international organisations and hotels. Of course, in practice, finding which places remain connected to the Internet will be hard, but these are some of the places you could try. Also, if you have a land border and a SIM from the neighbour country, you&#x27;ll generally get mobile access near the border.<p>During the protest, I think the Qual.net project is worth considering, although I must admit I haven&#x27;t tried it myself.<p><i>Please</i>, do not use FireChat or Bridgefy. They&#x27;re pretty insecure: Data is neither encrypted or signed.<p>Shameless plug:<p>I&#x27;m leading the Relaynet project (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;relaynet.network&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;relaynet.network&#x2F;</a>), a technology to restore connectivity when the Internet is totally cut off. Relaynet-compatible apps will use the Internet seamlessly when it&#x27;s available, but they&#x27;ll switch to a fallback medium (such as a sneakernet) when the Internet is cut off. No additional hardware required.<p>Relaynet&#x27;s proof of concept made it possible to post and receive tweets without the Internet and we&#x27;re currently funded by the Open Technology Fund. The protocol suite has been independently audited. The Android implementation will be ready by the end of the summer (and it&#x27;ll also be audited).<p>Although we&#x27;re focusing on connecting the general public, the security and privacy guarantees it offers should also be adequate for protesters (subject to the security&#x2F;privacy guarantees of the Relaynet apps they use). Consequently, the initial version of Relaynet should come in handy before and after protests, and once we add support for Bluetooth-based meshnets (aka &quot;scatternets&quot;), it should also support protesters during a protest.
estalmost 5 years ago
During China&#x27;s Xinjiang crackdown people use old fashioned dialup modems and 56kbps is better than 0kbps.<p>I think if you can still make cross border International phone calls you can setup modem on both sides and create a end-to-end network.
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speedgoosealmost 5 years ago
You need to be careful with long range radio solutions. Radio waves sources are very easy to locate with cheap equipment. Wifi&#x2F;Bluetooth is perhaps better since it&#x27;s already everywhere, but the range isn&#x27;t good.
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adam-palmost 5 years ago
Psiphon (disclosure: where I work) largely kept Belarusians online: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;psix.ca&#x2F;d&#x2F;nyi8gE6Zk&#x2F;regional-overview?orgId=2&amp;var-region=BY&amp;from=1596811582971&amp;to=1597243582971" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;psix.ca&#x2F;d&#x2F;nyi8gE6Zk&#x2F;regional-overview?orgId=2&amp;var-re...</a> (Note that the 0 values before the blocking aren&#x27;t really zero -- they&#x27;re just below the threshold that we publicize. And connections aren&#x27;t users, but... it&#x27;s still a lot of people.)<p>There&#x27;s a smattering of third parties confirming this, like: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beincrypto.com&#x2F;psiphon-connects-beincrypto-journalists-stranded-in-belarus&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beincrypto.com&#x2F;psiphon-connects-beincrypto-journalis...</a>
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atemerevalmost 5 years ago
Two-way satellite modems were banned long ago in Belarus, so there is not much equipment on hands.<p>Mesh &#x2F; opportunistic network solutions are great in theory, but require the installation of special software, which is difficult to coordinate on large scale. Also, this is an adversarial environment. We need to assume that every new network will be infiltrated by pro-government forces.<p>Only mobile internet was affected so far, so for now the most effective response was encouraging people to remove their WiFi passwords.
pjc50almost 5 years ago
For everyone talking about solutions that involve short-range mesh networking: Belarus is about 600km across and the capital Minsk is about 130km from the border with the nearest free country, Lithuania.<p>For everyone talking about solutions that involve deploying additional hardware: who&#x27;s going to pay for it and how are you going to get it into Belarus?
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idofalmost 5 years ago
In addition to short-range bluetooth app like Briar.<p>There exist long range communication : Meshtastic, with $20 devices you can send messages with kilometers range.<p>What would be ideal is for Briar to embrace the &quot;Bluetooth to LoRa node&quot;.<p>We can extend Briar Bluetooth network by adding Bluetooth to LoRa node that can connect multiple bluetooth mesh networks together.
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lvsalmost 5 years ago
This is an important area in which I feel development has been disappointing, mainly because the commercial value isn&#x27;t there. There are a few off-grid mesh dongle products that have been released in the past few years. Unfortunately, they&#x27;re all crazy expensive.<p>Examples: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gotenna.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gotenna.com&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beartooth.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beartooth.com&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gotoky.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gotoky.com&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fogo.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fogo.io&#x2F;</a><p>They all rely on your phone and themselves cost more than a whole low-end phone! I am really confused as to why meshing requires much additional hardware that isn&#x27;t already in a phone.
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kerafalmost 5 years ago
I used to work for a Belarusian company (outside of Belarus). From what my ex-colleagues told me, they have very little contact with the people in Minsk. There&#x27;s the occasional email or connected people on MS Teams. Not sure if that&#x27;s caused by people protesting or internet shutdown&#x2F;filtering for offices as well.<p>I also asked some Belarusian friends how they keep getting information from there. They said they have intermittent access to Telegram but it works better by using proxies. Some of the news channels on Telegram are managed by people outside the country who receive the information via text message. Not sure what type of block was in place (cellular data?).<p>Edit: Another Belarusian friend said he&#x27;s able to communicate again with people back home after 3 days of quasi constant blackout.
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ignoramousalmost 5 years ago
A YC company is (was?) working on creating mesh communication network from just mobile devices (not sure if they can be deployed right away independent of Internet connectivity): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;volkfi.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;volkfi.com&#x2F;</a><p>There are companies that sell software-defined radio products to help deploy volunteer-run radio networks, but those may be easy to jam and&#x2F;or illegal: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;limemicro.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;boards&#x2F;limesdr&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;limemicro.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;boards&#x2F;limesdr&#x2F;</a><p>Not sure how far srsLTE (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.srslte.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.srslte.com&#x2F;</a>) can go here without requiring special equipment and Internet connectivity (someone well-versed can perhaps comment on its feasibility as a standalone backhaul): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18569961" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18569961</a><p>Walkie-talkies work nicely for comms but not secure, should work well enough for coded messages; however.<p>I stumbled upon now-defunct <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentech.fund" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentech.fund</a> backed <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qaul.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qaul.net</a> a few days back, developed in response to censorship in MENA, that I personally like: They maintain a mapping of devices (similar to BitTorrent) over Wifi P2P and&#x2F;or Bluetooth to create a decentralised secure routing network. No extra hardware needed.
Pick-A-Hill2019almost 5 years ago
A bit late to hop on flea-bay and get the relevant parts but certainly an interesting trick posted a while back on HN entitled &quot;Brazilian satellite hackers use high-performance antennas and homebrew gear to turn U.S. Navy satellites into their personal CB radios.&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=932997" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=932997</a> (Original Wired link <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;04&#x2F;fleetcom&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;04&#x2F;fleetcom&#x2F;</a> )<p>A bit earlier today there was also a HN post about a re-play attack on VoLTE encryption <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24129977" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24129977</a><p>For information distribution look in to I2P as a means of caching popular News sites. Local password free wi-fi access points (but obviously only for those that can can risk a knock on the door). Power-Over-Ethernet Access Points are useful.<p>Good luck to all.
sjg007almost 5 years ago
Seems like we need starlink wifi hotspots ... Imagine dropping those in instead of leaflets.
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gitgudalmost 5 years ago
How about [1] &quot;<i>Power-line Networking</i>&quot;. It&#x27;s basically the act of using A&#x2F;C power-lines for a computer network.<p>They work okay in home networks, but due to the noise of the active A&#x2F;C power-line they don&#x27;t scale that far.<p>Perhaps they could work in long distances at low bit-rates with high redundancy error-correction to account for the noise. Sending email and text messages...<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Power-line_communication" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Power-line_communication</a>
punnerudalmost 5 years ago
In Hongkong everyone with an iPhone enabled airdrop and shared “posters” with information: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1660460&#x2F;hong-kong-protesters-use-airdrop-to-breach-chinas-firewall&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1660460&#x2F;hong-kong-protesters-use-airdrop-to-b...</a><p>Everyone should have an app like Canva, to easily add+edit text on images. This way people can communicate without any new technology.
reustlealmost 5 years ago
Maybe with Bridgefy?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20861948" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20861948</a>
zx_xmaalmost 5 years ago
Berty Tech is working on an offline first protocol, to provide privacy, censorship resistance with an resilient mesh network. Full open source of course, by a dedicated NGO based in France. Using BLE, gomobile, ipfs...<p>Feel free to join the community, and contribute, www.berty.tech <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;berty" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;berty</a><p>Cheers peers!
LinuxBenderalmost 5 years ago
To get videos and articles to the media, put redundant copies on USB thumb drives and hide them in different places in the city. Tell different reporters different locations to pick up the drives. Do not tell any single news agency more than one location in the event they are compromised. Ensure you are not seen hiding them. Thumb USB drives are very cheap and disposable.<p>To stay connected to each other, set up your own self hosted email servers. Email is old but is well designed for this. It is also easier to set up than IRC and does not depend on real time communication. Mail servers will queue messages and retry periodically. Look for &quot;HOW-TO: Dovecot Postfix&quot;. Set up self hosted mail servers inside your country and configure them to relay to external sites using HAM, Satellite, whatever you can get your hands on. Even better, see if you can find obscure forms of internet that have not been blocked. Dial-up for example. It isn&#x27;t fast, but will relay emails and small attachments just fine. Mail servers will queue messages and retry periodically. Adjust attachment limits on your email servers and let your friends know what that limit is. Use your own domains. Ensure that you configure your mail servers to enforce TLS, or at least enforce it for domains that you know use TLS. Most important, increase the retention time of the mail spool so that the server will keep trying to send messages for a month instead of a week. Get multiple accounts on mail servers hosted in other countries that your mail server can authenticated and relay through. This eliminates the need for things like FCrDNS, DMARC, etc... on your server. A dial-up will do just fine. Read up on how to use postfix header checks to sanitized email headers so that your users IP addresses are not exposed.<p>One advantage of self hosted email servers is that anyone inside your country that can reach the server can communicate directly to each other through that server. Nothing has to leave the country and can not be censored. Be sure to encrypt the mail and spool folders.<p>For trusted circles of friends, especially those responsible for maintaining servers, ensure they create and share PGP keys. There are how-to&#x27;s for this as well. Create code phrases that mean different things, so that you can tell others if you have been compromised.
blablabla123almost 5 years ago
Obviously there is a lot of P2P technology out there, for instance Freenet, Bittorrent, Bitcoin and GPG as well as solutions for the lower network layers like HAM radio based communication. Maybe everybody should start using it also for normal matters because that&#x27;s what these technologies have actually been invented for and not just for politically controversial or actually illegal things. As a nice side-effect it&#x27;s kind of fun to dive into new technologies and new things can be built that are easier to use, like Signal or Telegram
ClumsyPilotalmost 5 years ago
Am i right in understanding that people can still oing each-other in the country, they just cant reach the outside world? Do p2p applications like torrents work in this environment?
kqralmost 5 years ago
I have no idea how it would work out in practise given the requirement of physical distribution, but I&#x27;ve always thought of plain pencil and paper among the most democratic of media. It could work for organising people, but maybe not as well for casual banter (which – now that I think about it – might be the more important part.)
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jschwartzialmost 5 years ago
Why not get some RG 6 or RG59 and use it to deploy MoCa networks to wireless transmitters? Illicit coax would be difficult to distinguish from legit coax and you could do runs of several hundred feet between buildings. If someone knows what they’re looking for they’ll be on to you but the equipment is not very big.
nicopacealmost 5 years ago
The LibreRouter.org is an open source software and hardware wireless router for geek-free mesh community networks, that can be used by the whole population to deploy any size of telecom infrastructure for their own use, and that can&#x27;t be interrupted by anyone in particular.
Regenaxeralmost 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;delta_chat&#x2F;status&#x2F;1293456217248079872?s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;delta_chat&#x2F;status&#x2F;1293456217248079872?s=...</a>
brightballalmost 5 years ago
Satellite internet options would seem to be the most effective solution long term...short term though? I have no idea.
l332mnalmost 5 years ago
This is possibly going to be another Ukraine - a civil war. Who wants that? Certainly not the Belarusian people.
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Moonshot787almost 5 years ago
Loon flight systems create a network in the stratosphere similar to terrestrial based cell towers. The difference is on the ground, cell towers are fixed and transmit their signals to moving cell phones. With Loon’s solution, both the cell towers and the people are moving... More here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;loon.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;loon.com</a>
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Jaruzelalmost 5 years ago
The penny has just dropped with me. This scenario is exactly where Starlink[1] can shine (no pun intended). Find a way to get uplink routers into the locked down country and it would be impossible for totalitarian governments to block internet access completely.<p>--<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.starlink.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.starlink.com&#x2F;</a>
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notemakeralmost 5 years ago
Maybe scuttlebutt could work, if the gossiping works across mesh wifis.
sushshshshalmost 5 years ago
Satellite internet, ham radio, exfiltration from Belarus
beamatronicalmost 5 years ago
Cuba does it with flash drives passed around.
jcun4128almost 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve seen ham radio network AREDN
throwaway5355almost 5 years ago
Indian government shutsdown internet after removal of article 370<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia_pacific&#x2F;indias-internet-shutdown-in-kashmir-is-now-the-longest-ever-in-a-democracy&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;15&#x2F;bb0693ea-1dfc-11ea-977a-15a6710ed6da_story.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia_pacific&#x2F;indias-int...</a>
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Tepixalmost 5 years ago
Why and how is the internet cut off?<p>You could send an email&#x2F;tweet to SpaceX and ask to be part of the Starlink beta program. They&#x27;d have to be granted a license for your country first, however.
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jmnicolasalmost 5 years ago
My advice to Belarus protesters would be : don&#x27;t protest. You are the useful idiots of some foreign powers that want to weaken Russia by making Belarus the same failed state as Ukraine.<p>Look at what happened to Ukraine a few years ago and look at the state where it&#x27;s at now. Do you really want that for your country ?