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Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

58 pointsby samgilbalmost 5 years ago

11 comments

eric_balmost 5 years ago
Lockdowns are terrible for human mental health. We&#x27;re not meant to live that way. I mean, we put people in prison as <i>punishment</i> because it sucks. I don&#x27;t care what these people read in to the data - lockdowns are hurting everyone&#x27;s mental health and making people act strangely.<p>We know a lot about COVID now - who&#x27;s most vulnerable, how likely people are to die, etc. What staggers me is that huge groups of people are clamoring for more lockdowns and reduced freedoms. It&#x27;s like Stockholm syndrome writ large. There is so much fear being peddled by the media and others that people have lost all perspective.
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aminozuuralmost 5 years ago
In Denmark, prematurely born babies went down 90% due to lockdowns (source below).<p>Researchers said the most plausible reason was due to reduced stress levels in pregnant women.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;19&#x2F;health&#x2F;coronavirus-premature-birth.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;19&#x2F;health&#x2F;coronavirus-premat...</a>
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bencollier49almost 5 years ago
I&#x27;m convinced this is too high-level to draw any meaningful conclusions. Personally, as I have a family, staying at home with them while I work, and having no commute, is wonderful and has significantly improved my health and wellbeing. Someone stuck in a one-person flat will have a different experience.
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tboyd47almost 5 years ago
Headline is not complete.<p>&quot;After a rise in negative emotions at the start of the pandemic, wellbeing improved once lockdowns began – but not for everyone.&quot;<p>That&#x27;s the understatement of the year. Suicides, drug abuse, child sexual abuse, domestic violence, and food insecurity have risen sharply since the lockdown. Deaths of despair have already claimed more lives than COVID, even with the bogus death tallies.<p>Yet we&#x27;re all supposed to be okay with this because of some Google Trends data? I want to be far, far away from anyone who thinks like this. Like, catch me on the other side of the planet far.
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zhoujianfualmost 5 years ago
I wonder if this can be treated as a little bit of an unscientific UBI study? Can we conclude from this that well-being levels would overall improve with a UBI as well?
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rossdavidhalmost 5 years ago
Wow, my initial thought was, either this is a deeply flawed analysis, or I am just totally wired differently than other people. Lockdown was _awful_, and we didn&#x27;t even do it as long in Texas as in many places. Many friends of mine have expressed a lot of feelings of rage, despair, etc. during the lockdown. Whoever the people are that felt better, I don&#x27;t know them, or at least they don&#x27;t talk to me about how they&#x27;re feeling.
Taylor_ODalmost 5 years ago
This data is questionable at best but great headline for those who want to hope that we have solved COVID.
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bmitcalmost 5 years ago
Speak for yourselves. For anyone whose wellbeing improved, they likely have everything in place already. They have stable jobs, stable families, stable savings and income sources, people they are either able to see in their homes or regularly elsewhere, and are not affected by travel bans and other effects of the viral outbreak.<p>My wellbeing is at an all-time low and has continued to deteriorate since January. My family is split across the world due to unnecessary travel bans. Everyone in this thread is saying how the lockdowns were unnecessary long term but then everyone is seemingly okay with the government killing people&#x27;s jobs and splitting up families with travel bans that don&#x27;t take anything into consideration. There&#x27;s no reason why travel for family members and H1B workers and immigrants, especially those in extraneous situations, is still blocked when hotel quarantines could be put in place, just like they are for inter-country travel. Just in my circle alone, the U.S. has lost a dozen or so Chinese citizens who hold advanced degrees or who are doctors who were either forced back to China, wanted to go back (and get out of the U.S.), or can&#x27;t come back to the U.S. Good luck with the brain drain since these people were working for U.S. hospitals and companies. Not only are we losing people who were already here and wanted to be here, we&#x27;re going to lose countless more who would have come to the U.S. in the future. This will have consequences.<p>My fiancée is locked out of the country. We can&#x27;t sell her car because she&#x27;s not here and there are policies in place that protect against the situation. Online car selling websites have auto-locked our account since she logs in China, and I log in from the U.S., and they won&#x27;t re-open it as &quot;you can&#x27;t sell your car while on vacation&quot; (direct quote). The title transfer process is difficult if not impossible while she&#x27;s out of the country, and we need help, but the RMV is not responsive. If you can even find a phone number for the RMV, you call and then it states they have high call volume and then says to call back tomorrow and then automatically hangs up on you. We&#x27;re paying for a car, including insurance, that just sits around and can&#x27;t legally sell it without embarking on a process that could take months and capital to simply secure the title before even attempting to sell. People always support insurance companies as if they decide your premium based upon statistics and probability. So what&#x27;s the probability that our car that just sits parked and is driven once every week or two gets damaged and why haven&#x27;t our rates gone down to reflect this greatly reduced probability? Yet, if I got a ticket tomorrow, they&#x27;d have no problem raising the rates.<p>My rent actually was increased in March, and rent everywhere seems as high or higher than before as I try to move due to noise issues with my neighbors. Our marriage is getting delayed by years due to this. We can&#x27;t get through the travel bans or anything else because we&#x27;re not officially married (we had planned on doing it immediately after coming back from China), and we can&#x27;t get married unless we&#x27;re together, yet you can enter into all sorts of other legal agreements remotely.<p>Policies are not updating with the situations, if anything they&#x27;re regressing, and everything is moving in molasses. Everything is taking at least twice as long as it did before. Prices are actually increasing for things. All the predatory behavior on people has increased and now people have a new excuse (COVID) on why everything doesn&#x27;t work or is slow.<p>If your wellbeing has improved during this time, good for you. For those of us where it hasn&#x27;t, it has deteriorated exponentially. And my family is in the best of the worst cases. We still have our jobs, have places to stay, and have supportive families. I truly feel for those struggling. The narcissism of people to think that they&#x27;re happier because their commute is gone is mindboggling, when people are dying or living as death on a daily basis due to everything going on.
tempsyalmost 5 years ago
Also reports of far fewer premature babies under lockdown...likely a result of <i>less</i> stress on the working mother.
SpicyLemonZestalmost 5 years ago
I think this is less informative than the authors are thinking. Their methodology doesn&#x27;t seem sufficient to distinguish concrete effects of lockdown from general hedonic adaptation. (The fact that suicidal ideation is significantly down is pretty surprising, though.)
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jarielalmost 5 years ago
Was it lockdowns?<p>Or the beginning of the realisation that this is not the black plague come to wipe us out, and that it&#x27;s going to affect mostly specific groups?<p>Edit: what they should map is probably a &#x27;fear index&#x27;. Watching NYC &#x2F; Gov. Cuomo on CNN every day, talk about &#x27;hospitals overflowing&#x27; in NY, thinking &#x27;OMG that is what is going to happen where I live soon&#x27; - literally Army Medical ships being sent in for civilian purposes, daily news clips of increasing numbers of deaths, all of the unknown - that was <i>scary</i>. We&#x27;re no longer &#x27;living in fear&#x27;, rather, come to accept the uncomfortable terms of social distancing, not going to work etc.. The tone in the daily news is completely different. Also, we are now over the first wave of &#x27;cognisance&#x27; of the situation. 3 months ago what happened was utterly unimaginable to all of us. Literally all businesses closing their doors, sports cancelled, we were in &#x27;shock&#x27;. We&#x27;re not in &#x27;shock&#x27; anymore, we&#x27;re dealing with &#x27;the new normal&#x27;.