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Ask HN: There is a 1:1 manager to developer ratio where I work. Is this normal?

7 pointsby mannylee1about 14 years ago
I work for a fortune 500 company. Over the past couple of months top level management has hired numerous new managers and BAs. Their main reason for doing so is b/c our maintenance and project requests never meet our clients deadlines. But the real reason that our projects and maintenance requests are delayed is due to our poor development process, which the developers have no control over.<p>It can take developers 3 days to get a simple one line CSS change onto production. I could go into details of why this process is so incredibly inefficient, but I don't want to put any of you to sleep. On a daily basis, I tell one of my managers why our process needs to change ( which does not involve throwing more people at it ), but nothing ever changes.<p>As of today, when I attend our daily meetings there are 5 managers and 5 developers in attendance. And this is only for maintenance, the project team also has a 1:1 ratio.<p>This is the only large company that I have worked for, so I don't know if this happens anywhere else. If it does, it seems like an incredible waste of resources and money. Can anyone at HN help me out?<p>-Does this happen any where else? -Other than leaving the company, what else would you suggest that I do to make upper level management see the insanity of having 1:1 manager to developer ratio?

7 comments

tom_babout 14 years ago
WTF? They don't have a 1:1 ratio in max security prisons.<p>I simply cannot imagine how a fortune 500 company would let a division or org get this out of whack.<p>Do these managers do anything but "manage?" E.g., are they also customer contact/support leads or working with sales somehow?
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iamdaveabout 14 years ago
<i>-Other than leaving the company, what else would you suggest that I do to make upper level management see the insanity of having 1:1 manager to developer ratio?</i><p>Become an expert in your department in change management. This sounds like the biggest thing holding your teams back, just from what you've described. Mind your p's and q's with change management, adopt it at the core level and push for it as hard as you can without stepping on toes and I think you'll see that ratio start to widen.
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dsteinabout 14 years ago
During one of the biggest entrepreneurial booms in history, what exactly is going on in your mind during such meetings??<p>Get out while you can. Join a startup, start a startup, anything, just get out.
rdoubleabout 14 years ago
This is pretty typical. Even at dysfunctional startups this happens. I've been stuck on projects that had daily meetings with 4 managers and one programmer.
petervandijckabout 14 years ago
Please tell the CSS story in detail, it won't put us to sleep, it'll make us feel better about our job :)
triviatiseabout 14 years ago
fortune 500 companies will eat your soul.
bxrabout 14 years ago
Is it normal? No. Ask yourself this: Is managing a single developer a full time job?<p>Talking to one manager about why the process needs to change isn't going to get you that far because you have too many damn managers. At least start bringing it up in your daily meetings, you'll have 5x as much management to hear it, and 5x as many developers supporting that the problem is a problem.<p>If you haven't yet, get prepared to leave or lose that job. If they can't run a software development shop better than that, I wouldn't bank on its continued survival and you probably don't want to be there anyway.