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Google Makes Massive Counteroffers To Retain Employees

95 pointsby bigstormabout 14 years ago

16 comments

brown9-2about 14 years ago
The chances that the players in this game are using careful leaks to TechCrunch, either with real or fake information, in order to make moves against the other players is very high. As readers we shouldn't really trust that what Twitter sources tell TechCrunch is totally legit, or the same for what Google sources are telling TechCrunch - playing TC or other members of the press in order to help tilt the direction of discussion one way or the other seems like a pretty obvious move.<p>For example, Google Competitor X sending TechCrunch fake information about Google's desperate-sounding counter-offers helps reinforce the perception of their desperateness.<p>Also, these two sentences don't really add up:<p><i>Google may have paid as much as $150 million in stock grants to retain key product employees Sundar Pichai and Neal Mohan, say multiple sources. Both were offered the chief product role at Twitter</i><p><i>Regardless, the fact that large fortunes are being handed out to mid level technical managers is somewhat of a red flag in general.</i>
grellasabout 14 years ago
<i>Multiple sources close to Twitter have said that someone with access to Twitter’s most confidential information, such as who they are interviewing for key executive spots, may be leaking that information directly to Google.</i><p>This sounds dubious to me. It is not only unethical for a senior Twitter employee to be leaking such information but it is plainly <i>illegal</i>. An employee owes a fiduciary duty to his employer to perform his duties strictly for the benefit of that employer. Such an employee also has obligations not to disclose or misuse any trade secret information belonging to that employer. Both of these are pretty serious legal obligations, the violation of which would subject not only the direct malefactor to major liabilities but also anyone conspiring with him to commit the wrongs.<p>This story, then, assumes that Google is effectively engaged in knowing illegal acts of the most serious kind. While that in theory <i>might</i> be true, it assumes that (1) Google has a company ethic that would tolerate such willful misconduct, and (2) Google would be stupid enough to engage in a course of conduct that could pretty readily be exposed, much to its injury in law and in reputation.<p>This doesn't ring true for me.<p>In addition, grants of conventional restricted stock are in fact <i>sales</i> of stock to a recipient. That means someone has to pay for them. Assuming the Google stock here is being sold at fair value, that is one hefty price tag for an employee to pay. Of course, a board of directors might authorize payment by a loan to the employee but that loan would need to be full-recourse in order not to create inordinate tax problems for the company. This means that the employee would borrow, in one case, $100 million, and, in the other, $50 million, on terms for which he can be personally sued for failure to pay. And what would the employee get for his $100- or $50-million price tag? Well, in the normal course, stock worth just that. So where is the bargain for the employee? Even with a discounted price, the risk to the employee would be enormous because the deal would effectively be a bet that Google's stock will increase significantly in value before the stock vests and the payment comes due. Again, this doesn't really make sense. CEOs take such bets with restricted stock on occasion when a company is still fairly young (e.g., Meg Whitman with Ebay), but this is unheard of for an engineer employee, even a high-level one.<p>A deal of this type could be structured with stock options that would not need to be paid for up front and would not result in a tax hit or payment obligation to the employee upon grant. But this piece specifically uses the term "restricted stock." Perhaps this is not really restricted stock proper but some sort of restricted units that mimic stock but really constitute contingent employee bonuses. But the piece is suspect in its confident assertion that "restricted stock" was used.<p>Finally, there are the public company implications. Whenever a company incurs a material event, it must be publicly reported in fairly short order in SEC filings. A $150 million outlay? That would seem material even for Google.<p>Then there is the question of board of director responsibility. Directors have fiduciary duties to adhere to in making stock grants. How would the Google board justify these grants? And how could they justify them based on illegal "tips" received from a Twitter employee.<p>I may be missing some nuances here, as my firm does not often get deeply into fine points of public-company law. On its face, though, this one does not add up when the legal factors of which I know are taken into account.
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ChuckMcMabout 14 years ago
This isn't an April Fools post is it? I mean seriously, if you're willing to pay $50M or $100M to keep a single employee from walking, what happens if they die on their commute into work? What sort of risk are you carrying anyway?<p>And I didn't think I could be amazed by 'Google scale' any more, sure proves I was wrong on that.
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bbatsellabout 14 years ago
$50m in outright stock grants vested in only two years for a product VP?<p>Not really passing the sniff test for me.
btillyabout 14 years ago
Let's see how crazy this is or isn't. From <a href="http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&#38;q=NASDAQ:GOOG" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&#38;q=NASDAQ:GOOG</a> I see that Google has a market cap of $184.61B. According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google</a> Google has $46.24B in equity, and 24,400 employees.<p>Equity tends to add to market cap 1-1, so Google's market cap from ongoing operations and potential for growth is $138.37B. That works out to about $5,670,000 <i>per employee</i>. Considering that Google's stock price still reflects a market belief that they will have a lot of growth in their future, most of that market value lies in the actual people. The average Googler is worth millions to Google.<p>I have absolutely no trouble believing that key employees with a lot of talent and institutional knowledge are worth many times the average. The main thing that is shocking if this story is true is that Google has a good enough understanding of who is worth what to the company that they can properly recognize and act on that fact.
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olivercameronabout 14 years ago
$3.5 million for a key employee I can deal with, but $100 million? It feels like absolute lunacy, if true.
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latchabout 14 years ago
"If you're a Google employee and you aren't out interviewing at Facebook, Twitter or Zynga you are a moron"<p>This is why this has to be false. The precedent would be destructive. How many employees will go out looking for a job to use as leverage, not get a google counter offer, and just leave?
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nethsixabout 14 years ago
Usually I go straight to HN comments to read the first few ones to determine if a posted article is worth reading. You guys/gals rock because you help me avoid tabloid stuff and save precious minutes of my life.
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aChrisSmithabout 14 years ago
Since when did TechCrunch become a tabloid?
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trotskyabout 14 years ago
<i>Multiple sources close to Twitter have said that someone with access to Twitter’s most confidential information, such as who they are interviewing for key executive spots, may be leaking that information directly to Google. In this case, Google may have acted on that information too quickly. And people at Twitter, say these sources, are steaming mad.</i><p>I wonder what google services twitter hiring execs and others use. In the "privacy is dead" age you seem to be able to find out an awful lot about an awful lot if you're willing to go out and piece together public data.And in the realm of open source intelligence gathering, it's unlikely there is a bigger king than google.<p>I wonder if multiple people at twitter can be found googling the googlers in the days or hours before they meet for a hiring discussion. My money would be on yes, and that's only one of many possible sources.When I was on campus in Redmond a few years ago I was pretty impressed by how tailored the google search ads and even some SERPs in terms of trying to poach from MS.
jonmc12about 14 years ago
Just call it a pre-emptive talent acquisition. Since both Twitter and Google know that these product guys could go start their own venture, raise $20M, and then sell the team to the highest bidder, they are just preempting the process. Gotta think ahead to overpay talent before your competitor can.
mayukhabout 14 years ago
Linking to public profiles: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/neal-mohan/0/278/520" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/pub/neal-mohan/0/278/520</a> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/sundarpichai" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/in/sundarpichai</a><p>I would expect a statement from Google on this (whether its an April Fool's joke or not). There is no way they can let their other employees think that 2 guys are making bank here. Its just not sustainable to let employees think that this is the way forward to negotiate salaries
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JMiaoabout 14 years ago
when google poached from microsoft, all ballmer did was throw a chair out the window.
wallflowerabout 14 years ago
If all you get from your job is a (big) paycheck, then you are underpaid.<p>Yet, I know many artists who stretch their creative souls and struggle financially.<p>I think there is a happy balance but that is not static, needs to be readjusted as life unfolds, from young whippersnapper programmer to family comes first tech lead.
spencerfryabout 14 years ago
My friend just left Google NYC to start his own company. He didn't give Google enough to give him an official counter offer -- he had already made up his mind -- but they did say that it would have been significant.
jhuckesteinabout 14 years ago
Thanks for not using Techcrunch's title insinuating that there is a high-ranking Google mole within Twitter.
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