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How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

219 pointsby jermieralmost 5 years ago

14 comments

Cieplakalmost 5 years ago
Clearly there’s demand for an Intel product with these features absent from the platform controller hub.<p>I acknowledge that hardware products take years to develop, and they already have a lot on their plate.<p>Perhaps Intel doesn’t care about consumer whims, but clearly there’s demand from companies like Google.<p>I’m just generally surprised at the lack of public-facing responses from Intel’s leadership around this and other security issues facing their platform. It all reads like lawyers trying to minimize their liability.<p>They’re one of the most important technology platforms today. Everything besides cellphones runs on Intel.<p>Despite actually being a monopoly or duopoly, they don’t have to be so stodgy. I want to love them for their profound impact these past few decades, but it’s hard when it feels like they don’t listen to their customers.
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cantrevealnamealmost 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve been hearing about Intel’s Active Management Technology for years, but I&#x27;d like to see a demonstration of how an attack would work. I have an unused laptop with:<p>1. an Intel CPU that supports the vPro feature set<p>2. an Intel networking card<p>3. the corporate version of the Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) binary (well, definitely, a corporate laptop that used to get updates, but how do I check for ME?)<p>Is there a website I can visit that can initiate a remote takeover (I&#x27;m consenting to it)? Why isn&#x27;t this possible? What other step is required on my side to make it possible? Is it possible only through the physical ethernet connection? Why aren&#x27;t we seeing wide scale exploits based on AMT?
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neilvalmost 5 years ago
Purism just needs TrackPoint and thicker keyboards, and I can upgrade my stockpile of ThinkPads. :) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neilvandyke.org&#x2F;coreboot&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neilvandyke.org&#x2F;coreboot&#x2F;</a>
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kelnosalmost 5 years ago
&gt; <i>We choose Intel CPUs that do not have vPro</i><p>The Wikipedia article they link about vPro says:<p>&gt; <i>Intel vPro technology ... [includes] VT-x, VT-d...</i><p>Does this mean that Purism hardware won&#x27;t support virtualization extensions? Seems like that would be a big downside, and would make it a non-starter for a lot of people (including myself).
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shmerlalmost 5 years ago
Looking forward to AMD laptops with Coreboot support as well.
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closeparenalmost 5 years ago
I hear a lot about disabling the management engines... what about activating them for yourself?
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seemslegitalmost 5 years ago
What are the odds that the chips that don&#x27;t feature AMT&#x2F;ME don&#x27;t have it physically as opposed to it just being crippled in firmware ? In which case if one is worried about government backdoors this should alleviate exactly zero concerns.
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swader999almost 5 years ago
Another vector for attack is shipping. Do you trust that this won&#x27;t be intercepted and &quot;customized&quot; on its way to your address from the factory?
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mietekalmost 5 years ago
(2017)
EE84M3ialmost 5 years ago
&quot;with the intention of reverse-engineering the remaining parts&quot;<p>this line strikes me as odd. Don&#x27;t OEMs normally have a contract with Intel (or someone that does) for licensing the motherboard design that would prevent them from doing this?
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R0b0t1almost 5 years ago
Disabling is not removing. People have found motherboards that should ostensibly not support vPro (e.g. Asus gaming motherboards) that do report vPro ME functionality.<p>There is no reason to believe the software switch is working, especially when even a system integrator can accidentally enable the features. If someone wants them on they turn on.<p>Purism sells snakeoil. Presenting their offerings as FOSS-compatible would be honest. Claiming additional security is not.
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johnklosalmost 5 years ago
How I avoid Intel&#x27;s Active Management Technology: I don&#x27;t buy Intel.<p>Even neutered Intel seems unnecessarily risky.
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ur-whalealmost 5 years ago
Their claim demonstrate good itent, but the unfortunate truth is they have no way of proving or even knowing that it holds.
xbaralmost 5 years ago
Still no 16x10 screens. Welcome to the failbin.
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