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Using Obsidian to manage goals, tasks, notes, and software dev knowledge base

196 pointsby sharjeelsayedover 4 years ago

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gorgoilerover 4 years ago
After having used Bear, Notable, and Atom + plugins, I’m realizing I don’t really want an app to manage my notes. I just want the notes, plus a tool to traverse them that’s got a bit more beef to it than Finder.app.<p>I’d like to use a more powerful app like the one promoted here, but I feel desperately uncomfortable tying my notes [in] to a piece of <i>proprietary software</i>. I feel like that was a mistake I made already, and don’t want to repeat.<p>It’s almost like Obsidian et al are highly featureful filesystem browsers, but where the only files one can have are markdown files.<p>What about if I want to style a real PDF in Asciidoc? It’s really common for a note to evolve into a document. An idea becomes a lesson plan for a class, which morphs into a handout with tables, admonitions etc.<p>What about if I want to represent some idea with a quick spreadsheet? Or a sketchup? It would be fantastic if those were somehow all represented as first class documents in the filesystem, as markdown is inside the current wave of proprietary markdown editors.
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wittyreferenceover 4 years ago
I was initially skeptical of Obsidian, but...<p>(1) It’s not proprietary - it’s a browser +&#x2F;- IDE for markdown files. I point it at the folder in my Dropbox directory where I already keep all my md files. It’s a new front-end, but doesn’t lock me into anything.<p>(2) As an extension of 1, I can continue using NotePlan as my calendar&#x2F;todo on my phone (which builds everything into md files), and Kiwi to access all of the above on my phone as a personal wiki.<p>(2) was already my workflow and knowledge base; Obsidian just made for a nicer editing&#x2F;browsing tool on PC.<p>The key is that, as what is essentially a wiki, both the files&#x2F;notes <i>and their interrelationships</i> are conserved&#x2F;non-proprietary, regardless of what happens to the chosen software in the future. No lock-in for any part of my calendar, workflow, or knowledge base, and all three can point to one another because it’s all just md in the same folder.
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slifinover 4 years ago
I think what most people don&#x27;t see coming is that Wilker Lúcio was hired by Roam Research he is the author of Pathom and gave this talk recently:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=IS3i3DTUnAI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=IS3i3DTUnAI</a><p>It&#x27;s about connecting many graphs together, the killer app in this space is to figure out how to connect these graphs together such that teams and communities can grow connections on a massive scale<p>There will be many challenges in doing that particularly around selection, per edge permissions likely leveraging Clojure&#x27;s namespaced keywords to get global attributes<p>This will mean a major re architecture of Roam Research, I predict most Roam clones are going to get absolutely blindsided by this<p>Roam today is ~just~ a datascript database on the client being kept up to date with firebase<p>For now if you want open source Roam keep an eye on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;athensresearch&#x2F;athens" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;athensresearch&#x2F;athens</a>
fn1over 4 years ago
One question for all users of knowledge-bases like this:<p>How often do you write something down and look it the next day and realize it&#x27;s not relevant anymore because of reasons like:<p>• you memorized it<p>• it&#x27;s not as important as it seemed yesterday<p>• it&#x27;s a todo and having it there actually nags you and prevents you from completing it<p>• it creates some other kind of mental load: while skipping over it, it grabs your attention, which then prevents you from attending to other tasks on the list.<p>I have a theory that GTD helps only few, for most people it just makes them feel better because they are now spending time creating lists instead of doing what&#x27;s on them.
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Syzygiesover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m a mathematician who scripts everything I can. I&#x27;ve been thinking about mind-mapping for decades.<p>My breaking point: I have DropBox folders for 1770 math papers, that I periodically read on computers and tablets. The significance of most of these papers is lost to me. I want to be able to browse this collection in a &quot;supermarket shelf&quot; topology. Most of creatitivity is not planned; planning tends to stifle creativity. Rather, a frenetic mind is fortunate enough, after months of fruitless wanderings, to encounter the right set of ideas in close enough proximity to notice. For example, a PCB protoboard has the correct 0.1&quot; spacing to guide a router jig for making a pasta guitar. Who knew?!<p>Ideally one traverses a private web site with links to every asset. The associations need to be both manual and automated, logical and accidental. For example, time of creation or visits is critical data for determining proximity. Looking at each PDF in plain text to attempt to infer proximity would be a great application of deep learning tools, leveraging existing proximities as training data.<p>On a larger scale I have repeatedly urged the American Mathemetical Society to open up its MathSciNet cash cow to be a premier playground for machine learning. Unlike computer science, mathematics does have a detailed index of all published research, through the efforts of many volunteer reviewers. However, math is crippled by many archaic beliefs: That ideas are organized by fields such as number theory, and there is a single global worldview specifying this organization. That the value of MathSciNet is its hand-curated organization. I believe that we&#x27;re crippling a generation of mathematical progress by not allowing mathematics to be at the forefront of mind mapping efforts, with many competing voices&#x2F;tools describing its organization and facilitating idea browsing. Autocomplete is still at the &quot;pager&quot; stage of development, with &quot;smart phones&quot; yet to come. We could all benefit from the cloud autocompleting each of our mind-maps. Mathematics is a relatively small, constrained domain where shared mind-mapping and autocomplete could first flourish.<p>I&#x27;ve separately used a text file as scratch paper many days for the last fifteen years, saving every file. I can retrieve much useful information through full text search. I am reminded however of Don Knuth&#x27;s adage &quot;Premature optimization is the root of all evil,&quot; and the smaller optimization problem of how to best organize physical receipts. Excessive organization is wasted effort and a form of neurosis. I scan lots of documents but not every receipt; they all go in boxes dated by quarter, vacuum packed after a year. When I really need a receipt I can find it, but the effort to file has been properly balanced with the effort to retrieve. Same with text files; full text search works. It would be a mistake for me to put more effort into the structure of these files. Rather, through scripts and AI tools, I can evolve an indexing exoskeleton around these existing unstructured raw materials.<p>I need mind-mapping to manage assets, not to create a private web site of my thoughts. And there cannot be a user&#x2F;programmer dichotomy; we each need to script additional associations into our mind maps. That belongs in exoskeleton, not cluttering up primary text.
marvionover 4 years ago
This was crossposted to the todoist subreddit and and I already said this there:<p>The overhead that these systems need is my worst nightmare.<p>I tried obsidian, because I saw how people use notion, roam and obsidian ro manage tasks and as knowledge base... but I just can&#x27;t imagine me doing this.<p>I programmed a Bot for todoist and at one point I developed a github &gt; Todoist sync, to manage my work on the Bot... at on point it almost was comical how many additional tasks I ended up with, just to make it happen.<p>I tried obsidian and quickly tried to use Typoda for markdown, because even writing markdown comes with an overhead... additionally I always need to install 3rd party apps to even access my knowledge..<p>I&#x27;m still looking for the perfect system, but always to back to Todoist for tasks and a simple static file generator for my knowledge base(docsify).. I can edit and access it from everywhere and dont have much overhead.<p>What I also dont get is the lack of API of theses systems. Afaik notion still don&#x27;t have one, and even roam doesn&#x27;t.<p>For journaling and brainstorming, I build a Todoist function that creates and links a Dropbox Paper directly to the task in Todoist... this way I already have a task and it&#x27;s out of sight when I&#x27;m done... and it only requires a browser.<p>I envy everyone who can use these apps though. It does seem to be a nice way of offload stuff of the brain.
dmyttonover 4 years ago
I moved my notes out of Apple Notes and into Markdown inside text files last year due to the bugs I encountered. This means I can sync them with whatever product I like (currently OneDrive) and open them on any system (currently macOS) with any app that can parse Markdown (currently iA Writer). It also means whenever any new app comes along, I can play around.<p>Usually what I want is something that loads very quickly and has a minimal UI that allows me to focus on writing, but also allows me to search all files quickly. iA Writer ticks all those boxes, and also has support for simple #hashtags so I can organise the notes.<p>Where things become more difficult is if the app adds a lot of custom functionality that is either specific to that app or adds lots of custom metadata to the files. Then you start to lose some of the above benefits, particularly cross-platform.<p>I looked at Obsidian but found the UI to be heavy and slow, and lots of extra functionality I wasn&#x27;t interested in. I&#x27;ve tried a lot of apps[1] but always come back to iA Writer.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;davidmytton.blog&#x2F;the-best-note-taking-apps-for-mac-markdown-open-format-cross-platform&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;davidmytton.blog&#x2F;the-best-note-taking-apps-for-mac-m...</a>
msamwaldover 4 years ago
I tried using Obsidian, but I could not resolve the uncertainty of what should be a separate note file vs several items inside a note file.<p>I then tried various &#x27;outliner&#x27; applications (Dynalist, Roam, Workflowy). With these kinds of apps, there is hardly any friction between document and content granularity levels; everything can be just one big tree &#x2F; directed graph.<p>I finally settled with Dynalist [1] -- it recently introduced backlinks and is the far more mature, sleek and feature-rich option compared to Roam.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dynalist.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dynalist.io&#x2F;</a>
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francis-ioover 4 years ago
For me, I&#x27;m unwilling to invest time in an app thats not open source. Other key things for me would be a web gui, mobile gui, self hosted and easily backed up. Trilium notes is the best thing I have found so far.
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myrandomcommentover 4 years ago
Canceled Evernote a month ago. To many bugs. Using VIM at this point. Honestly thinking of going back to a notebook. Only issue is I cannot read my own handwriting sometimes ;)
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refresherover 4 years ago
I tried Obsidian but prefer Foam[0], just because I enjoy using VSCode. Once it gets materialized backlinks I suppose it will be similar enough.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foambubble.github.io&#x2F;foam&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foambubble.github.io&#x2F;foam&#x2F;</a>
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Brajeshwarover 4 years ago
My current working model (WIP).<p>1. Write in Markdown. Stay as less markup as possible and tend towards plain text.<p>2. Organize&#x2F;Categorized into folders; such as -- parenting, entrepreneurship, startup, homelab, books, etc.<p>3. Choose a really simple publisher (Jekyll for now). I sprinkle the least front matter in the header of each file. So, I can publish the selected ones online for me, friends, and family.<p>4. Let Obsidian look over it (it drops just one folder .obsidian), write with it sometimes. I don&#x27;t want any tool taking over, chewing it and making smart decisions for me.<p>My focus are those files inside the folders. I should be able to just replace Jekyll or Obsidian in future without losing the integrity of my content.
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kevinslinover 4 years ago
if you are looking for an open source version of obsidian, I would check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dendron.so" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dendron.so</a> (disclaimer, I&#x27;m the author)<p>it supports all the same features and built on top of vscode. use it to manage my personal knowledge base of 20k md files
immigrantsheepover 4 years ago
My problem with apps like these it&#x27;s that they are always working on almost everything but not really. Lately I&#x27;ve been testing a few things and then I got back to Org-mode. Works on my desktop, works on Android with Orgzly and works on my iPad with Beorg.
fudged71over 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve tried Obsidian, but the data structure is far inferior to Roam Research and not worth wasting my time with it. With Roam I know that my notes are building a rich forest of hierarchies and networks that will be more useful in the future.
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kderbymaover 4 years ago
I just started using MindForger which is very similar. I will definitely give Obsidian a look because I love these ideas - thibkjng notebooks.<p>check out MindForger - it is open source and quite simple to review as it&#x27;s mainly one maintainer.
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ffpipover 4 years ago
Seems to be down? WebArchive can&#x27;t access it.<p>Google Cache - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joshwin.imprint.to&#x2F;post&#x2F;how-i-use-obsidian-to-manage-my-goals-tasks-notes-and-software-development-knowledge-base+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=in" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:https:...</a><p>Google Cache seems to be just a proxy thats loading resources from the main site.
gregwebsover 4 years ago
I am still using Simplenote because mobile works really fast and the sync stays up to date. The approach here of syncing markdown files with icloud seems like it might work well enough.<p>The lack of linking between notes is definitely the missing feature of Simplenote.<p>I like the approach here of trying to sync markdown files with iCloud
yulaowover 4 years ago
I think I almost dedicated the last ten years to try to solve my own problem about taking notes for tasks&#x2F;goals. In the end I come back defaulting to paper-and-pen for day to day projects related notes, and cherrytree for reorganizing them weekly in a digital format.
nickthemagicmanover 4 years ago
I just want a simple kanban board with dependency graph. Like Trello but with dependencies.
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sali0over 4 years ago
Obsidian is a fantastic app and completely free. You also store the data yourself.
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digital_voodooover 4 years ago
I wish Obsidian (or an alternative of some sort) could pick up Devonthink&#x27;s &quot;AI&quot; and work through both my markdown and my PDF files.<p>No task management, planning, etc. Just plain reading, thinking and writing.<p>The quest continues...
MrDresdenover 4 years ago
Just installed Obsidian to give it a quick test, and I must say I am impressed. I&#x27;ve been using Gollum for my personal wiki, but may just move over to Obsidian.<p>Does anyone know if you can write your own plugins for it?
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Maha-pudmaover 4 years ago
Never heard of this before. Sounds like Zim-wiki, which is what I use. Does pretty much everything this can do plus is completely free.
capnorangeover 4 years ago
this is the setup I keep going back to(I&#x27;ve tried Roam, Obsidian, Tiddly) - VimWiki + TaskWarrior + TaskWiki.
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brodoover 4 years ago
Does anyone have a working org-mode setup with back-links?
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senectus1over 4 years ago
HN hug o death.<p>anyone got a link to what this &quot;obsidian&quot; is?
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rorykoehlerover 4 years ago
I use obsidian and dropbox with markdown mobile apps (text editor on desktop)&gt; It&#x27;s teh best setup. Way better than roam.