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Why People Become Internet Trolls

13 pointsby Gedxxover 4 years ago

7 comments

zadkeyover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ll be honest. I really enjoy Ken M&#x27;s work as an internet troll.<p>If you haven&#x27;t seen what he does, here are some of my favorites:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;2oy2nb&#x2F;chef_boyardee&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;2oy2nb&#x2F;chef_boyardee&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;4e888v&#x2F;ken_m_on_pampers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;4e888v&#x2F;ken_m_on_pampe...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.pinimg.com&#x2F;originals&#x2F;39&#x2F;3a&#x2F;7e&#x2F;393a7e7d56c65bc9afd0b72fa0c6e601.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.pinimg.com&#x2F;originals&#x2F;39&#x2F;3a&#x2F;7e&#x2F;393a7e7d56c65bc9afd0...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;8ptb4r&#x2F;kenm_on_kissing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;8ptb4r&#x2F;kenm_on_kissin...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;8n25qu&#x2F;first_post_here_but_i_made_it_a_reality&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;KenM&#x2F;comments&#x2F;8n25qu&#x2F;first_post_her...</a>
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pipologistover 4 years ago
What would constitute trolling?<p>I personally wouldn’t consider suicide baiting to be trolling. Passing outright personal insults, or engaging in character assasination is also not trolling.<p>These exhibit psycopathic behavior.<p>Also responding to insults with insults doesn’t mean the other side had just become a troll as the cited study seems to imply.
dragontamerover 4 years ago
&gt; The more accountable we are for our behavior, the less potential we have of becoming trolls. Employing less anonymity may help, but this raises privacy concerns for many. Anonymity can also be a good thing. Benign disinhibition — the friendly sibling of toxic disinhibition — is where users freely discuss their deepest insecurities and concerns with other users. This can be very therapeutic and shouldn’t be discouraged. But by using anonymity only where it is necessary, we reduce the likelihood of toxic disinhibition.<p>This seems highly unlikely to me.<p>Consider Twitter, Blue-checkmarks, as well as Facebook. There are countless trolls with verified identities. Indeed, &quot;troll behavior&quot; has permeated into our political system and very public figures are openly using anti-social language... to the benefit of their political movements.<p>From a Machiavellian perspective: people become trolls because it works. Its an effective strategy for gathering like-minded followers, and to demonstrate a &quot;leadership&quot; quality, one that demonstrates ambitious behavior.<p>Some political leaders are incredibly similar to trolls. Robespierre, Lenin, Hitler. Yeah, we look down upon them decades later, but these figures were hugely influential during their times and got a lot of things accomplished.<p>This article assumes that troll-behavior is not beneficial to the troll. That&#x27;s a horrible miscalculation. Troll-behavior certainly hurts the victim, but it seems to benefit the troll in my experience. At a minimum, it benefits them with followers (other trolls who want to help the greater cause).<p>--------<p>So lets circle back to the top. Why do people become trolls?<p>Answer: Because its an effective strategy.<p>The important followup question: How do we build a world (or if not the world... then at least a community) where trolling becomes an ineffective, or counter-productive strategy?
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mike741over 4 years ago
The article equates &quot;trolling&quot; with phishing and harassment. It states &quot;Trolling is a hard concept to define&quot; and uses this as a convenient excuse to make false equivalences. The term &quot;troll&quot; is actually easy to define: &quot;antisocial, quarrelsome and slow-witted creatures which make life difficult for travelers.&quot; Its the literal interpretation from norse folklore. The troll doesn&#x27;t follow you around, build a following, or encourage suicide. The troll sits under a bridge and charges you a &quot;toll&quot; (time, monetary, or emotional) as you pass by it.<p>One could argue that this author is trolling their audience with obfuscatory language.
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Smithaliciousover 4 years ago
The article seems to just use fancy words to say &quot;because they&#x27;re assholes&quot;.
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tabtabover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve been accused of being a troll multiple times. It typically happens when I spot vague but powerful claims from somebody who claimed to be highly educated.<p>For example, somebody may claim that a programming or software technique is &quot;clearly better&quot;. I ask for clear-cut objective evidence, and they either cannot provide it, or make unproven assumptions about the thought process of the programmer&#x27;s mind.<p>The bottom line is that programming productivity is largely something that happens inside the human mind; it&#x27;s not about machines nor pure logic. They didn&#x27;t seem to understand this, trying to turn it into a &quot;purist&quot; argument about math and logic alone. Sorry, it&#x27;s not, you have to consider the poorly-mapped human mind in the end.<p>Also, high-end academics tend not to understand business. They may say parsimony (least code) is the best, for example. I&#x27;ll then point out that many coders find highly compact code hard to read or debug. They may reply &quot;then get better programmers&quot;. That&#x27;s usually not practical from a business standpoint for various reason I don&#x27;t have room for. Their alternatives usually have a lot of holes, not knowing how business works.<p>I admit I took pleasure in rubbing their nose in these facts and gaps because they made smug claims. There&#x27;s a certain wonderful satisfaction in making smug people trip on their own logic, reminding me of a show where a corporate polluter ultimately dies by falling into their own pollution pile. Maybe I&#x27;m a bit narcissistic, I don&#x27;t know. But it&#x27;s worthy criticism that hopefully wakes them up regardless. Being logically whipped by a &quot;troll&quot; can be fruitful education.<p>I also rip into interpretations of terminology like &quot;best practices&quot;, definition of OOP, &quot;types&quot;, &quot;intent&quot;, and many others. Somebody will claim it clear cut and settled, but it&#x27;s not, and I poke holes in all their defenses.<p>There are different kinds of trolls. Some just want to agitate for agitation alone. But I instead beat people up with their own logic, rather than use tricks and personal digs. I have been accused of &quot;word play&quot;, but vague words are fair game for word play in order to demonstrate they are vague. They wouldn&#x27;t be &quot;playable&quot; if they weren&#x27;t vague. People tend to assume their own interpretation of words is universal. It&#x27;s usually not; but they are reluctant to admit it.<p>Being in dozens of vocab debates, I&#x27;m pretty skilled at picking apart vagueness, and the other side realizes they are out-gunned and go bonkers on the way down, smoking. I don&#x27;t claim to be smarter, I just selected a few areas where I perfect the art of &quot;trolling&quot; via experience alone.<p>And sometimes I am actually wrong and learn something along the way. Good debates do that.
danmgover 4 years ago
Very lazy analysis. Arm chair e-diagnosing everyone who doesn&#x27;t exclusively use the internet to send cat pictures and pictures of their lunch as having a dark triad personality disorder is just as abusive as the &#x27;trolling&#x27; he hopes to prevent.
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