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One Year with ThinkPad and Linux (From MacBook Pro)

280 pointsby drikerfover 4 years ago

60 comments

alexktzover 4 years ago
I recently purchased a 16” MBP despite significant personal concerns over the future of MacOS, being a strong open source advocate and Linux paying my mortgage.<p>I did this ultimately for a few reasons. MacOS lets me run Adobe (Photoshop, Lightroom, etc), Fusion360, has a good terminal (iTerm and zsh unix like shell) and Logic.<p>Mac hardware is still some of the best in the business, no other vendors seem to be able to catch-up. The XPS line is a great example, the battery that Dell chose to put in that laptop can’t run the internals at full power when not connected to AC. There are plenty of other comments about Thinkpads here (I have a T480s through work) and find the overall experience just fine.<p>The MacBook on the other hand, I use for 8+ hours every day. It’s the machine I reach for first. It sparks joy. It just works when roaming on WiFi, always. It just works with Bluetooth headphones, always. It just works with external displays, first time, every time. To put it simply, the machine gets out of my way and lets me get real work done. I can SSH to wherever I want and get ‘the Linux experience’.<p>My personal desktop runs Arch and KDE but for a portable, annoyingly, I still think Macs are the only way to go. But damn do I wish they had a SD card slot.
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lmilcinover 4 years ago
I am also running Linux on Thinkpad (Debian unstable on T440s).<p>As to the battery life, this typically requires some work but I found it is generally possible to get good battery life. I am able to get my T440s to run for total 24 hours with the highest option 9-cell, the built in 3-cell and another 3-cell that came original with the laptop. This I did to be able to work on a long yacht cruise with no extra power and required to get backlight almost to minimum and to downclock CPU a little bit.<p>Now, to get there there are tools that can tell you what is using up the battery and some howtos on the Internet. I don&#x27;t remember details so it is best if you go look it up yourself.<p>If you are using i3 you are generally well set up to easily get over 10h of operation.<p>As to touchpad these are all disappointing on all ThinkPads but probably especially on T440s where it is something called &quot;clickpad&quot;. The entire touchpad is a button and you need to press it and try to move your finger while pressing HARD to drag things, for example. Dunno who thought this is a good idea. I always travel with a mouse and a mouse pad to be able to work comfortably:) Still, it is easier to use built in keyboard and a mouse than the reverse, luscious touchpad but keyboard to replace miserable something shipped with Macbook. I don&#x27;t like typing on something that feels like a solid pane of aluminum with some markings on it.
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jeroenhdover 4 years ago
&gt; Can&#x27;t debug issues in Safari without borrowing a Mac<p>&gt; Can&#x27;t do iOS development<p>Not <i>legally</i>, no. These can be worked around with a VM, just like with the Windows issue. It sucks, but Apple is never going to support their development toolchain on any other platform.<p>All in all, I think this is a pretty positive review for an &quot;I switched to Linux&quot; blog post. Usually they&#x27;re more negative about the lack of finish a lot of Linux tools use, but the author of this blog seems to be more tolerant towards the small things in order to gain the big things.
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tkainradover 4 years ago
Welcome to Linux! ;)<p>I have been using as my sole OS (except for some very occasional gaming on Windows) for 10 years. The longer you use it, the happier you become with your setup imo.<p>There is a very detailed blog post about my setup that has grown over the years: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tkainrad.dev&#x2F;posts&#x2F;setting-up-linux-workstation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tkainrad.dev&#x2F;posts&#x2F;setting-up-linux-workstation</a><p>It is about Ubuntu, but many sections apply to all distros. The most important productivity boost for me has been to switch from Bash to Zsh. Mainly because of some great plugins for Zsh, such as z, zsh-peco-history (better history search), zsh-autosuggestions, and zsh-syntax-highlighting. The blog post has copy-paste ready instructions to set it up.
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diminishover 4 years ago
What are the cons of mac?<p>for me:<p>- Sluggish UI<p>- Inadequate package manager<p>- Unintuitive ways to install stuff<p>- Slow and large updates<p>- Can&#x27;t do Linux development<p>- Can&#x27;t try server tools<p>- Slow boot-to-work time<p>- Hard to add memory and ram<p>- Limited interfaces<p>- Hacker unfriendly<p>- Can&#x27;t have a minimal desktop<p>- High memory usage of base system
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submetaover 4 years ago
I love the idea of having a Thinkpad running Linux. But there are a dozen apps on my Mac that I would miss terribly. DEVONthink, OmniGraffle, and many more.<p>I was thinking about getting a used ThinkPad for Emacs + Org plus terminal only. A companion for writing in Emacs&#x2F;org and for doing dev work (Python, Lisp, Bash). This article made me revisit that plan. (Been using ThinkPads from 2006-2015 and loved the experience. Solid rock hardware and best keybord.) But I can‘t think of getting rid of my Mac as it is adding so much quality to my day to day life.
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acdover 4 years ago
I went the same route from Mac to Lenovo Thinkpads. I have not looked back since. Did the Linux swap due to Mac OS X memory pressure issues with virtualization. Basically Mac OS X got a ported feature from iOS where they froze background application memory so that apps would be quick to restart and resume but that did not play nice with virtualization where you want all the memory you can get.<p>Anyhow since most development is nowadays done for Linux server running Linux on the desktop makes sense. Docker works better on Linux with port mapping.<p>For the battery time mentioned in the article one can swap batterys on Lenovo and there is a 9 cell battery which should get better run time hours.
dhosekover 4 years ago
Things that I like about being on a Mac:<p>- The ABC - Extended keyboard layout gives me easy access to diacriticalized letters like é or č as well as typographic characters like – and –<p>- long battery life. I&#x27;m currently sharing a charger between my work laptop my personal laptop and my iPad and life is easy.<p>- access to mainstream software like Office, Adobe etc.<p>- I can easily use my iPad as an external monitor while I&#x27;m away from my desk.<p>- The trackpad is so much more usable than any Windows laptop I&#x27;ve been given from work<p>- I don&#x27;t need to spend much time getting stuff in a workable state. Other than disabling caps lock and selecting ABC - Extended as my keyboard layout, I don&#x27;t feel the need to do much customization on a new Mac.
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x87678rover 4 years ago
I was looking at larger laptops to run Linux but they aren&#x27;t cheap so MBP doesn&#x27;t look such bad value. I want 15in screen with higher than 1080 resolution, 16GB memory, good battery life and there really isn&#x27;t much less than $1500 from the main brands that will run Linux well. Any suggestions? Otherwise the MBP16 looks not such bad value as I know it&#x27;ll be reliable.
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dcminterover 4 years ago
I used to use Thinkpads until I decided to switch when the Lenovo Superfish thing happened more-or-less in conjunction with the sharp decline in keyboard quality. In terms of reliability and compatibility they were always very solid, and I got great price&#x2F;performance results by buying last-year&#x27;s top of the line models second-hand and then maxing out whatever could be upgraded (memory + disk) from there.<p>After that I switched to Dell XPS 13s starting with the 9350, buying new. There was an initial issue with the WiFi adapter being unsupported (as I recall the `developer edition` with Ubuntu supported was more expensive but also had a better supported WiFi card) which initially required me to build a custom kernel module (I think? It was a while ago) but support appeared very soon after in mainline Linux. Subsequently I&#x27;ve had no major compatibility issues - except that support for multiple monitors where the laptop is HiDPI but the external monitors aren&#x27;t is very poor (the Thinkpads I owned weren&#x27;t HiDPI - I don&#x27;t think this is a Dell issue). Edit: Battery life is mediocre on all the XPS models I&#x27;ve had.<p>Just lately I&#x27;ve been using a work-issued Dell Latitude 7490. I&#x27;m enjoying this a lot. Support is solid, the screen isn&#x27;t HiDPI so multi-monitor usage is fine, its battery life is good enough to get me through a working day without plugging in (sometimes I don&#x27;t even notice I haven&#x27;t plugged in), and it has plenty of ports (including USB C, HDMI, and Ethernet).<p>I&#x27;ve used Macs on and off in the workplace but couldn&#x27;t get used to them. If I needed to do CAD, Graphic Design, or other things where open source software doesn&#x27;t cut the mustard I guess I&#x27;d go for a Mac, but happily I just don&#x27;t need to these days (the broad move to Web apps helped a LOT, particularly the move to GSuite for a lot of stuff that would previously have required MS Office).<p>Just my 2¢.
mapgrepover 4 years ago
I am in the same boat, except my daily laptop is a ThinkPad X1 Carbon instead of a T480, coming from a specced out Macbook Air 11. My feelings are remarkably close to this. For anyone who spends a lot of time in emacs, browser, the terminal, with media editing as a secondary concern, I think it&#x27;s a great setup. The ThinkPad hardware is stellar.<p>I would underline what he points out about the battery being a relative shortcoming though. Which is important for anyone who likes being away from a power outlet for a good while.<p>I think linux has historically really lagged on controlling battery use, Apple has exploited its tight hardware&#x2F;software integration for years in this regard, and I only see this spread widening frankly. The ARM Macbooks will likely be absolute marathon runners in comparison to any linux laptop, at least for a good while. I&#x27;d love to be wrong.
lettergramover 4 years ago
There&#x27;s a lot you can do to improve battery life...<p>T480 - Larger battery cell (I get &gt;20hrs of use).<p>Then there&#x27;s a bunch of configuration options: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;austingwalters.com&#x2F;increasing-battery-life-on-an-arch-linux-laptop-thinkpad-t14s&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;austingwalters.com&#x2F;increasing-battery-life-on-an-arc...</a><p>On my new T14s after the latest updates and a much smaller battery, I can still easily get 8 hours at ~2.5lbs weight, 16 cores, 32Gb RAM.
bogwogover 4 years ago
I love Thinkpads and I love Linux. My current &quot;daily driver&quot; laptop is an old X220T from 2011, which is a tablet hybrid (including touchscreen and Wacom pen&#x2F;digitizer). I don&#x27;t use it because of nostalgia or a love for retro computers, I use it because it&#x27;s still an excellent experience all these years later. No modern laptop in the current price range can beat it.<p>I don&#x27;t know if that&#x27;s because the build quality was so great back then, or because Intel dropped the ball this past decade. I&#x27;m guessing it&#x27;s a little of both, which is why I&#x27;m kind of conflicted right now: I love Thinkpads, but I&#x27;m also super interested to try out the new ARM-based Macbooks.
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dddddavidddddover 4 years ago
There&#x27;s work to make the touchpad better <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bill.harding.blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;22&#x2F;linux-touchpad-project-update-progress-on-multitouch&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bill.harding.blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;22&#x2F;linux-touchpad-project-...</a>
JJMalinaover 4 years ago
I didn&#x27;t know about Darktable or Kdenlive, so I&#x27;ll have to check those out. Peek is awesome for GIF recording.<p>I&#x27;ve been using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon running Xubuntu since 2016. Before that I was using a MacBook Pro.<p>The things I like about this machine&#x2F;Linux are - It&#x27;s light - The keyboard is great&#x2F;better - The battery is really good coupled with the low resource usage of Xubuntu (except when I have Zoom, Docker, and lots of Firefox tabs) - Don&#x27;t have any trouble with audio when using Bluetooth - I don&#x27;t have to worry about MacOS breaking my dev environment - Setting up dev environment is a breeze<p>Things I dislike - CPU is not as powerful as a MacBook Pro - The most recent X&#x2F;Ubuntu broke wake up from sleep - Some software doesn&#x27;t have a Linux equivalent (Webex) - If you want to dual boot Linux and Windows, getting full disk encryption on X&#x2F;Ubuntu is challenging - Plugging into a non-hidpi monitor is janky because it can&#x27;t change dpi per screen - Speakers on this machine suck<p>For me doing strictly software development, the benefits of a stable and easy to use environment outweigh the warts of Linux.<p>If I were to get a new machine I&#x27;d consider Lenovo again. The new Dell XPS also looks great. I might also give Windows and WSL2 a try in my dual OS desktop. Windows feels a lot smoother compared to Linux (on a very powerful desktop though), but it&#x27;s constantly notifying you about things which is a distraction.
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fsfloverover 4 years ago
&gt; Can disable webcam in BIOS when not used<p>Purism sells laptops [0] with real hardware kill switches for camera <i>and microphone</i>. Welcome to the future.<p>&gt; Maintenance: T480 is not slim and this is for the better. I can replace&#x2F;upgrade most components by myself.<p>Slimness has nothing to do with repairability &#x2F; upgradeability. Purism laptops are slim and perfectly repairable. (I&#x27;m a happy owner).<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.puri.sm&#x2F;shop&#x2F;librem-15&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.puri.sm&#x2F;shop&#x2F;librem-15&#x2F;</a>
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butzover 4 years ago
&gt; Can&#x27;t debug issues in Safari without borrowing a Mac<p>You can debug layout issues to some extent using GNOME Web (also known as Epiphany). It uses same webkit engine as Safari. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webkit.org&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webkit.org&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;</a> way at the bottom.
princevegeta89over 4 years ago
I always find polished Linux DE&#x27;s like cinnamon, Gnome 3, Pantheon and unity to be top notch and more usable than OSX.<p>I&#x27;m surprised Mac OS has never had an overhaul of the look, on their windows, buttons, icons or anything. On the other hand, I absolutely find it to be nightmare to navigate in Finder - the shortcuts are a mess.. and there is no address bar at all! Other than that I also do find Mac OS to be slower than Linux due to some bloat. On an overall scale, software availability is almost on par with Mac OS. The only drawback for Linux is graphics applications like Photoshop aren&#x27;t just either available, or not hardware accelerated properly.
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nengover 4 years ago
The Mac trackpad is very good. Was a key reason I left to Macbook after 10 years of running Linux as on my workstation.<p>I may go back to Linux someday. I miss focus-follows-mouse. Apple sucks at some things, but gets more core capabilities right.
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time0utover 4 years ago
Personally, it has been really hard to justify the Apple premium the past few years. My company upgraded us to touchbar MBPs a few years ago. I am thankful as it helped me avoid the mistake of buying my own.<p>Instead, I went Thinkpad+Linux(Lubuntu) for an iteration. Excellent machine as the article details. I was very happy with it for a couple years.<p>I wanted something with a beefier GPU though, so most recently went to Asus+W10Pro+WSL2. I was skeptical at first, having been off Windows for a decade, but it is pretty decent. There are some minor annoyances, but not enough to push me back to full Linux yet.
tarkin2over 4 years ago
I often think about returning to a Linux laptop. Things, generally speaking, tend to “just work” on a mac, but it fails for a poweruser, even with various tools such as hammerspoon, since I oft want to morph the GUI to my liking - something apple and its gui fanaticism clearly doesn’t abide. The only thing that keeps me here is safari testing and occasional iphone development, two things that are unpleasant but necessary for my job; I hope I’m not forced to upgrade my mac and it’s the last mac I buy for at least half a decade more.
rbanffyover 4 years ago
A sweet spot I found is a generic laptop (a good Dell or Thinkpad, with the least imaginative hardware possible so Linux runs happy) and a Mac desktop (can be an iMac or a Mini) for the Mac-ish stuff.<p>You need to pay attention to what can and can&#x27;t be upgraded, however. The newest Mini can&#x27;t have the storage upgraded (you should probably buy it maxed out), but can upgrade the memory to 64GB, so it&#x27;s cheaper to get the 8GB and then upgrade it yourself. The 21 inch iMac can&#x27;t be upgraded, so YMMV depending on what you get.
greatgibover 4 years ago
Most of this blog post looks like to be a standard user personal experience report.<p>Most items make sense in this context I think, but there is one point that surprised me:<p>&lt;&lt;Emoji support is not 100%&gt;&gt;<p>Wtf! In my opinion, that it worths mentioning that, shows at what point Apple marketing brain fucked the Apple device users...<p>You buy a 2k$ computer, with dozens of high speed CPUs, for what? Putting stupid smileys everywhere? And in addition, this is more an application specific issue than a system one. Where do you use them? Emails, professional word documents?
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hashedoutover 4 years ago
Macbooks have nailed down the basics when it comes down to the user experience:<p>1. Best touchpad period.<p>2. Good overall keyboards (Ignore the 2016-2020 butterfly keyboards)<p>3. Best sounding speakers.<p>4. Every display has 400+ nits of brightness with good color accuracy.<p>5. Very good battery life per watt-hour of the battery and lasts better with time as well.<p>The package is what make the macbooks great. I don&#x27;t have to go through a list of laptops and go through pros and cons of laptops and there are a LOT of cons.<p>You may think that bad sounding speakers or 250 nits screen is not a very big deal but just try using a macbook for a while and you&#x27;ll see how these these make a drastic change in the user experience.<p>People go on about how macbooks are over-hyped and expensive (they are!) but I think that what they offer is a level above anything else on the market.<p>I am using a MBA 2015 for my dev purposes and sometimes the 8Gigs of RAM feels like it could use an upgrade. (I want to upgrade but it is so much expensive moving on to the new ones). I&#x27;ve tried so many laptops and none of those impress me. This is the only reason that Macbooks, even though they cost a bomb, last for well over 10 years.<p>Edit: It &quot;seems&quot; windows laptops are catching up, but please list one laptop that would be usable after, say 8 years. For eg. a MBP 2012 will still work very good in 2020 compared to any of the laptops from even 2015. Are there any windows laptops in 2020 that you can say the same for?
kylecazarover 4 years ago
Cool. I&#x27;m running Linux on a Dell Vostro I purchased during their quarterly business sale as my daily driver -- I can&#x27;t believe the machine I got for the price, and strongly encourage people to look at these sales..<p>How big of an issue is it to target iOS as a platform on a PC these days with the rise of Flutter, etc? I&#x27;m looking to get into app development, but don&#x27;t have a Mac, nor would I like to buy one if I can avoid it.
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loosetypesover 4 years ago
Is there a metric for battery performance while the machine’s asleep?<p>That’s been my only gripe in moving from a MacBook Air to an XPS running Ubuntu a little over a year ago.<p>Battery life is comparable in active usage. But if I close my XPS lid and then, for whatever reason, don’t use it for a day or two, I’ll be at zero battery.<p>I don’t remember this ever being something to even think about with my Mac laptop.
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cc23over 4 years ago
As a C++ backend&#x2F;distributed systems engineer, I cant imagine working on anything except Linux.<p>I even use Linux on my personal laptop. It&#x27;s a Thinkpad actually. Yes, the touch pad on Mac is better. But Linux is just so much quicker and lighter, and really the only major annoying thing I&#x27;ve run into is electronically signing PDFs.
j45over 4 years ago
Devs can spend a lot of time getting Macs and Window computers to behave like Linux.. especially given the idiosyncrasies that pop up with docker on them.<p>It does seem reasonable to develop on Linux.. for Linux.<p>I&#x27;ve heard of a few recent experiences specifically using Ubuntu 19&#x2F;20 on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon&#x2F;T4xx of some type resulting in a really nice experience, including optimized battery life.<p>While Ubuntu might not be my desktop of choice, it does seem to have done the most that I can find to work well on laptops from a battery life&#x2F;driver support&#x2F;sleep perspective.<p>I have it loaded on a desktop and it&#x27;s working flawlessly, and I continue to try and find an issue with it. As a development environment, it may be something to consider seriously.<p>Part of me is wondering if an Ubuntu&#x2F;Linux laptop could open up a way to use an iPad as a secondary computing device that where I could continue to enjoy the things that I wanted there.
scottlocklinover 4 years ago
I made that decision in 2011 or so; still use the same thinkpad hardware, and it&#x27;s still faster and better than the 2017 mbp I was issued by work.<p>Even if it was a shittier experience (kubuntu is vastly better than osx in every pertinent way), I&#x27;d continue using the thinkpad for the trackpoint and keyboard.
tyingqover 4 years ago
<i>&quot;Battery time is not like Macs. ~ 5 hours (after one year)&quot;</i><p>There are different battery choices of 72, 48 and 24 watt hours. I believe the 72 watt hour battery &quot;bulges&quot; a bit and makes the laptop not sit flat.<p>Edit: You could also disable the MX150 GPU if you don&#x27;t really use it.
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asciimovover 4 years ago
Some tips from someone who&#x27;s been doing this linux laptop thing for a long while now (6 year&#x27;s ago, I replaced my aging MBP with a cheap HP)<p>0. TAKE NOTES! Make a setup doc that keeps up with the issues of setting up your computer. ie... I have to do some funky things to get my onboard speakers to work, I never remember how to do it, but my notes remember it for me.<p>1. The trackpad will suck. Just get an external trackball or mouse, use it instead.<p>2. Pay for a good built-in keyboard.<p>3. Make sure you can swap your network card. I have my preference on manufacturer. For historical reasons I typically replace whatever it comes with.<p>4. If graphics matter to you, avoid NVidia GPU&#x27;s.<p>5. Avoid laptops with restrictive bioses. (wifi whitelists, wont let you change boot order but supports two drives, etc)
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antb123over 4 years ago
t470s currently but have been using linux and thinkpads since the mid&#x2F;late 90s.<p>Battery life isn&#x27;t great agree. My solution currently is a USB-C portable battery which I get an additional full laptop charge. In the past x220 and t60(p) were favourite models.<p>Other annoyance (still!) is sleep seems to work on certain kernels and not on others.<p>Was on ubuntu forever but slowly may move back to debian as I don&#x27;t like snap packages.<p>Mouse is Logitech MX Anywhere 2S<p>Only suggestion currently on getting an laptop is usb-c, ips screen, nvme drive and lots of ram. In fact the CPU doesn&#x27;t matter much. I used the x series for a decade but now moved to t series and they have gotten lighter and are good value.
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jononomoover 4 years ago
I simply cannot get over using non-Apple trackpads. The trackpad is such an important part of a laptop&#x27;s user interface. Obviously I wouldn&#x27;t drive a car with flat tires, so why would I use a laptop with a crappy trackpad?
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k__over 4 years ago
Half-OT: I&#x27;m using a MBP13&quot;(2013) for years now and really like it, but it&#x27;s not upgradable and it&#x27;s getting cumbersome to do some more intesive things with it.<p>Would you recommend buying a new MBP or getting a laptop?
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ekianjoover 4 years ago
I have several thinkpads (5) and run them all on Linux. Agree that the battery life is not optimal, even with TLP. Keyboards are typically excellent, but the brand of the keyboard can matter a lot (there are usually 2-3 different manufacturers of Thinkpad keyboards and they don&#x27;t feel the same). Maintaining Thinkpads is usually a pure joy: super easy to open up, easy to replace RAM, sometimes CPU (depending on the model) and storage. And they are robust (will survive a fall).<p>Software wise, apart from some rare exceptions (X1 Gen 7?) everything works out of the box on most distros.
NewOrderNowover 4 years ago
There are so many small things that really frustrate me with the Mac and understandably considering I am back on Linux. However, I have a 2010 15&quot; MacBook Pro that I bought used. It is god awful to work on, but I can still run scripts, ssh, browse the web (for the most part), and play emulators.<p>This is thing is slow and bordering useless, but I genuinely never had any tech product for 10 years work for well. 10 years, only changed the charger and HD once. Everything else is still working, including a really nice touch pad.
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nunbover 4 years ago
I switched from a MBP to a Thinkpad for flexibility &amp; performance: hexa-core processor, 64GB RAM, 3 disks (NVME+SSD+HDD) running Linux (pop-os) with the intent of running OSX in VMs. I didn&#x27;t like the iOS-ification of OSX, and this will let me run my beloved Snow Leopard, and even run some older aqua UI OSX versions as VMs. I&#x27;ll probably get an ARM MacBook when they come out, as MacOS and iOS go well together... but 64GB is a HECK of a lot of Chrome tabs, and the 3:2 screen is as good as on my Chromebooks. Linux has certainly matured since I used it as my only desktop back in the comp.os.linux.advocacy days, which is just as well as I can&#x27;t be bothered futzing with x.org config files any more. My X210 (nb51) &quot;Thinkpad&quot; gets about five hours battery life on a dodgy battery, but if I can find a real TP battery that should rise to 10-15, and I expect the ARM Macs to do 20-24 hours.
z9eover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m actually considering either going with the T480p or an Asus for my next work laptop (from a 2018 MBP) with Linux on it. I have a T470p though that has a broken motherboard right after the warranty expired. When picking it up to move it around, it shorts out and restarts, apparently this is a known issue with the 470&#x27;s. But I really fear Lenovo&#x27;s reliability these days.<p>Has anyone else had reliability problems with the T series? How reliable have the T480&#x27;s been?
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choegerover 4 years ago
The interesting thing here is that the absolute biggest disadvantage is the MacOS&#x2F;iOS development. Apple&#x27;s walled garden seems to be working as intended ;).
tarasmatsykover 4 years ago
I would put an asterisk near battery life as a downside, after switching to mpro 2020 13 realized that I overlooked batter life which is 7h at max, 5h if working aggressively (docker, builds), very disappointing. Macs always were laptops with great performance - battery life for me, so be careful with customizations and stick either to defaults or mpro 16 (which is like a plazma TV for me)<p>PS. moving to 14&quot; system76&#x2F;thinkpad too this year
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unethical_banover 4 years ago
The hardware on Mac is unparalleled. I can&#x27;t hardly stand using my Thinkpad touchpad after having a Macbook work laptop. I know the keyboard on the recent macs have drawn criticism, but for me they work fine and I have fewer mistypes than when I am on the thinkpad. And battery life on macos is great, when not on Zoom. And Ubuntu 20.04 doesn&#x27;t recognize my 2018 Thinkpad camera.
hankdoupeover 4 years ago
I had suunto watch issues, too. I used openambit[1] for a bit, but at some point, I was no longer able to get it to sync with my movescount account. Eventually, I got a new watch that synced with my phone over bluetooth and the issue was moot.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openambitproject&#x2F;openambit" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openambitproject&#x2F;openambit</a>
stuff4benover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m seriously considering this since my MacBook Air is so pokey. I do use Microsoft Excel though on my Mac, however it&#x27;s through Firefox and I find it perfectly acceptable compared to the desktop version I used to use. Anyone know if Excel on Firefox on Linux works as expected? I&#x27;d assume it did, but just wanted to make sure. Everything else I&#x27;m fine with.
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fendy3002over 4 years ago
&gt; Touchpad is not close to Mac<p>I&#x27;m using l390 and the touchpad feels good for me. Never use mac, does mac&#x27;s touchpad is considerably better?<p>EDIT: formatting
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snideover 4 years ago
3 months ago I made the switch to Linux (manjaro) with i3. I currently run off an Intel NUC, which works perfectly fine, but I have a Thinkpad now on the way. I figured I&#x27;d do a writeup because I&#x27;m a designer and that makes me a little bit of a freak.<p>First, I was already a vim user for 8 years, so I was used to config files and the terminal. I moved primarily after watching some videos about I3 &#x2F; awesome WM and browsing the &#x2F;r&#x2F;unixporn subreddit. Primarily I liked the idea of designing my own OS from scratch, and the idea of being able to change ANYTHING was really intriguing to me.<p>I guess it&#x27;s important to note that as a designer this wouldn&#x27;t have been possible without tools like Figma and Framer being web based. Put bluntly, Linux native design tooling isn&#x27;t up to par with what I had on a mac, and without Figma I wouldn&#x27;t have been able to move over full-time. It&#x27;s also important to mention that while I classify myself as a designer, I design 90% of the time in code, writing React + CSS. I realize I&#x27;m a little different and this likely sways some of my feelings towards linux.<p>In short, I&#x27;ve really enjoyed the switch. The window management alone has been reason enough. Being able to navigate my windows with key commands, and generally lay things out the way I see fit between polybar + i3 has been fantastic. Don&#x27;t like a certain shadow? Change it with picom. Don&#x27;t like seeing title bars on your windows? Change a config. I&#x27;m also a designer that believes in heavy focus (think tab focus in a browser) so every window gets a thick focus border. Everything is matched to a color-scheme that I like, and I mean everything. I don&#x27;t feel like I&#x27;m using Linux so much as I&#x27;ve used Linux to build Dave OS.<p>I was able to migrate nearly $500 of annual tooling to home-made scripts and services that I run through GCP. For example. I used to use cloud app for screenshot &#x2F; movie snippets. Any designer will tell you something like that is their bread and butter... &quot;hey what do you think of this?&quot;. I moved it to Peek &#x2F; Flameshot + a 40-line bash script that watches a folder and uploads it to a gcp bucket. It took me a half day of learning. At the end of it I had a funny realization... why have I been paying for these simple services for years and complaining about features they didn&#x27;t have? Now I just add the features.<p>Performance is hit and miss. Everything I used to do in the terminal (which is where I spend most of my time) feels faster. In general, I had to drop apps and move command line. This was fun! I moved to buku for bookmarks, taskwarrior for todo lists...etc. What I loved about this was it forced me to engage more in the OSS community. I already do mostly OSS stuff for work, but I was in my bubble. Linux forced me out, and I found myself talking a bit more on Github, asking questions and the like. This was the thing that I&#x27;ve ended up loving. In general I&#x27;ve been amazed at the amount of support I&#x27;ve gotten from maintainers by just saying &quot;Hey, I&#x27;m a designer, I&#x27;m not so knowledgeable about the guts of this code, can you help me out&quot;?<p>Slack and zoom are slow. They are pretty resource intensive apps and weren&#x27;t exactly speed kings on my mac, but they do feel noticibly worse on Linux. I&#x27;m hoping this is due to my hardware, but I suspect the apps just aren&#x27;t as considered in Linux. I&#x27;ve really enjoyed AUR &#x2F; pacman for package management and it feels like brew, but for everything. The one thing I think Linux is missing is a good calendar application that syncs with gcal. The terminal based ones are a little overweight and underdesigned, and I can&#x27;t find a GUI one I like.<p>Anyways, I&#x27;ll probably do a formal blog writeup at some point, and more importantly make some videos of my setup, since it&#x27;s probably interesting for folks to see how a designer uses Linux, but I thought it&#x27;d be worth a quick post to let others know its possible.<p>Hardware wise I had no trouble with my mac, mostly because I already had my own custom keyboards and the like, but I&#x27;m excited about the new Thinkpad on the way more for it&#x27;s power-to-price.
puranjayover 4 years ago
I moved to a Thinkpad from Macbook. Honestly, I love the form factor, the keyboard, and the all black finish.<p>But the screen is still below par - 400 nits max brightness is too low. And the trackpad is substantially worse than Macbook&#x27;s.<p>I&#x27;ll still keep it because it offers something that Macbook doesn&#x27;t anymore: reliability
kakakikiover 4 years ago
I have been a windows&#x2F;linux user for about as long as I can remember - because cheap! For the 8 months I am using a MBP and absolutely love it. It is a pleasure to look at it and use - except for the keyboard! The trackpad experience is unparalleled IMHO.
jonpurdyover 4 years ago
TL;DR: if on the fence about replacing a MacBook Pro with a ThinkPad, give the 2020 MBP a try. It&#x27;s bought me another three years of time to stick with the Mac and see how the ARM transition plays out.<p>I wanted to let others in my situation (longtime Mac user, avoided the butterfly keyboards so much that I considered a Thinkpad with Linux) know: the new keyboard in my 13-inch 2020 is amazing.<p>I upgraded from my 2015 to this 2020 a couple of weeks ago under duress: my old machine failed me during an interview videoconference and I couldn&#x27;t have that happen again. Ran out to buy a new machine and return it if I hated the new keyboard (I expected it to be somewhere between the old keyboard and the terrible butterfly, but at least it has an inverted-T.)<p>It&#x27;s spectacular. Key travel is awesome, and it&#x27;s nice to have inverted-T and dedicated escape key back. This machine is also way faster than my old one thanks to (2x as many cores [thanks to 2018 model]) and the 10th gen stuff (much faster RAM and graphics, etc.).<p>ARM is coming soon, but there&#x27;s a lot of uncertainty about that transition and I&#x27;m happy to have a highly performant machine that will last me at least three years (when my AppleCare will run out).
bfrogover 4 years ago
I find that running powertop on my Thinkpad I can go from modest battery times of like 5-6 hours on my t460 to all day battery times. Really wish it was just built-in to the distro or kernel in a more automatic way at this point.
mkjover 4 years ago
Is it the Linux kernel or userspace programs that make Linux battery life worse?
TomVDBover 4 years ago
13 years after Apple introduced their groundbreaking trackpads, I still haven&#x27;t seen a worthy alternative.<p>It&#x27;s the single most important reason for me to stay with a MacBook.
actuatorover 4 years ago
I noticed that T480 comes with a U processor. Is this configurable? For a machine that is not going for that ultrabook thickness, M seems like a better choice.
interskhover 4 years ago
Has nobody mentioned Dell xps? I&#x27;ve been using xps for a few years with archlinux.. It&#x27;s been mostly great so far.
sriram_sunover 4 years ago
My 2013 MBP is chugging along with Linux and OSX dual boot. I haven&#x27;t logged into OSX in over 6mo. Only upgrade was a 2TB SSD.
idealsover 4 years ago
What are everyone&#x27;s thoughts on buying a new MBP this year with the announcement of Apple Silicon replacing Intel in the near future?
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inoffensivenameover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve been using the Lenovo X1 Carbon with Debian and I couldn&#x27;t be happier with it.
fnord77over 4 years ago
if you have an iphone:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;askubuntu.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;1127798&#x2F;how-to-run-a-iphone-backup-with-idevicebackup2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;askubuntu.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;1127798&#x2F;how-to-run-a-iphone-...</a>
oliver101over 4 years ago
Same experience but reverted to Mac because the hardware is unbeatable.<p>Had MacBooks since the white clamshells and eventually wanted to go full linux. So bought the X1 Carbon and really regretted it. Screen and trackpad were by far the worst by comparison.<p>So I’ve returned. Picked up a Mid-2015 15” MBP a few months back and haven&#x27;t looked back.
kreetxover 4 years ago
Is it not possible to run linux on the recent MacBook Pro&#x27;s?
numpad0over 4 years ago
Why buy ThinkPad if you’re going to use touchpad anyway