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Eliza, the Rogerian Therapist (1999)

18 pointsby jrhoustonover 4 years ago

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kristopolousover 4 years ago
Go read ELIZA&#x27;s author, Joseph Weizenbaum&#x27;s book, &quot;Computer and Human Reason&quot;; well at least the first 2 chapters. Let me justify it, (I&#x27;m typing it out from a hard copy so excuse my brevity)<p>Page 4:<p>&quot;DOCTOR...soon became famous...mainly because it was an easy program to demonstrate. Most other programs could not vividly demonstrate the information-processing power of a computer to visitors who did not already have some specialized knowledge&quot;<p>As in, the mid-1960s, this was (one of) the first non-technical computer programs. No commands, no manual, no conceptual overview needed - just sit down and start typing.<p>Page 6:<p>&quot;I suggested I might rig the system so that I could examine all conversations anyone had had with it, say, overnight. I was promptly bombarded with accusations that what I proposed amounted to spying on people&#x27;s most intimate thoughts; clear evidence that people were conversing with the computer as if it were a person who could be appropriately and usefully addressed in intimate terms ... what I had not realized is that extremely short exposure to a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful delusional thinking in quite normal people.&quot;<p>Page 38:<p>&quot;Like highways and automobiles, they [new forms of media] enable the society to articulate entirely new forms of social action, but at the same time they irreversibly disable formerly available modes of social behavior.&quot;<p>... that&#x27;s a pretty deep insight about social media, especially from 1976.<p>Pages 115-130 he writes quite critically of &quot;hacker culture&quot;, characterizing the participants as &quot;compulsive programmers&quot; and comparing them to gamblers. I&#x27;m not making any judgment on his claims in those pages, but his arguments are fairly unique and I had not seen them before.
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dangover 4 years ago
So many great Eliza submissions in the past:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;query=comments%3E0%20Eliza&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=story&amp;storyText=none" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;qu...</a><p>But not really any fundamental discussions, probably because it was already so well known as a thing.
AaronLasseigneover 4 years ago
For anyone interested in learning more I recommend the 99% Invisible episode on it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;99percentinvisible.org&#x2F;episode&#x2F;the-eliza-effect&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;99percentinvisible.org&#x2F;episode&#x2F;the-eliza-effect&#x2F;</a>
wombatmobileover 4 years ago
Eliza was great value for as long as you could stay within its limitations. Eliza was a true friend.<p>Imagine Eliza GPT 2020, speech enabled friend in pocket.<p>Who&#x27;s going to implement it?
tim333over 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve got one for my 404 page. Quite fun.