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U.S. to block cotton, tomato product imports from Xinjiang over forced labor

214 pointsby abc-xyzover 4 years ago

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dehrmannover 4 years ago
Does the US import that many tomato products from China? Most produce will be domestic, Mexican, or Chilean in the off season. Is there significantly tomato processing there?<p>Same with cotton. If this impacts clothes, that could be significant, but I don&#x27;t think of China as a big textiles player, and the US still produces a lot of cotton, it just doesn&#x27;t weave it or make clothes from it.
russli1993over 4 years ago
&quot;We have reasonable but not conclusive evidence that there is a risk of forced labor in supply chains related to cotton textiles and tomatoes coming out of Xinjiang,” Smith said in an interview. “We will continue to work our investigations to fill in those gaps.”<p>Xinjiang produces 20% of the world&#x27;s cotton. The reality is, most farmers in Xinjiang are independent entities. They are the little guys. They grow cotton or any other produces on their land, and sell the produces to distributors. Many of these farmers are minority ethnicity, Uighur included, but there are others as well. These people lived in villages and in the country side for generations. Farming and the &quot;primary&quot; sector of the economy is how they make a living for generations. They are the low to middle income bracket of the society. They depend on agriculture to raise families, provide food on the table, raise children, and take care of the elderly in the family. A blanket ban of all cotton produced in this region will devastate the life of these people. Think about it from the perspective of these people. They grew cotton on their farm, and one day they are told &quot;The U.S. stops buying your product because they want to protect you from forced labor&quot;, and because of that, you will be out of work. The farmer sits there and think &quot;Wait, I am farming because I need money to feed my families&quot;. This ban sounds like its standing with the Uighur people, but in reality, it hurts them the most. Rights to live, rights to livelihood, rights to income and bringing food to the table is also human rights.<p>Target companies or organizations that actually committed forced labor and present concrete evidence. Maybe require a document of the name of the farmer, require disclosure and certifications of the practices of the producers. There are many ways this could be done to both protect legitimate producers, farmers, and rule out the bad actors. Or at least act like you are trying. A blanket ban blew the covers off of the PR statement this is about protecting human rights and stand with the people. Instead, the actual intent is to suppress the Chinese economy, and prevent the people living there from getting richer and achieve a better quality of life. Its sad that there are people in the world who don&#x27;t really care about other people&#x27;s quality of life. They can enjoy themselves a good paying job, nice cloths, good cars etc. While for other people, farming, doing hard, manual and labor intensive work on the farm is all they can ever dream of. And what little they have now will be &quot;taken&quot; away from them.
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dirtyidover 4 years ago
&gt;“We have reasonable but not conclusive evidence that there is a risk of forced labor in supply chains related to cotton textiles and tomatoes coming out of Xinjiang,” Smith said in an interview. “We will continue to work our investigations to fill in those gaps.”<p>...<p>&gt;In March, U.S. lawmakers proposed legislation that would effectively assume that all goods produced in Xinjiang are made with forced labor and would require certification that they are not.<p>These sanctions are an of extension XPCC &#x2F; bingtuan sanctions from a few weeks ago. The organizations run XJ agriculture. Ultimately they&#x27;re kind whatever, XJ tomatoes are &lt;1B export and will be redirected for internal consumption. 40-50B of cotton will be washed through SEA producers. In terms of human rights, the reality is the ag workers particularly Uyghurs are going to suffer more after XPCC sanctions - primarily because region can&#x27;t import superior US agricultural equipment. So they&#x27;ll just end up working the people harder. Obviously US equipment producers will also lose out. Decouple is expensive, SMIC lose 4B, PSI loses 100B. The question is whether these moves are smart and within stated interests. Regardless, hope the bar for more significant escalation, particular military ones, is based on more conclusive findings, but you never know with election politics.
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bamboozledover 4 years ago
Pretty weak response from the US considering China actually have huge forced labor camps.<p>How about even stronger sanctions?<p>I guess the US is now so dependent on China that they can&#x27;t?
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seibeljover 4 years ago
I’m going to tell you a secret that maybe you don’t understand - these tomatoes will be exported to another country and then imported to the US minus the extra costs.
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excaliburover 4 years ago
The US condemns the use of forced labor to produce cotton.
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nitrobeastover 4 years ago
What’s the difference between forced labor in China, vs prisoner firefighter in California?
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tehjokerover 4 years ago
tbh, I&#x27;m not sure if I believe the allegations. Most of the most serious assertions have come from people connected to the CIA and the various Radio Free * newsources that come from the state department. Very few of these stories are independently verified and the numbers claimed are comical. Of 11M people, they claim 3M are in camps. A friend of mine&#x27;s sister just visited XJ and said it was fine. You can&#x27;t hide 3M people out of 11M. Given the anti-China stance of the ruling class right now, I am extremely skeptical of various scurrilous claims being bandied about. The US routinely lies about official enemies and has for decades (nay centuries), so their record should speak for itself. A recent example is the Iraq War and WMD. Another famous example is the Gulf of Tonkin incident.<p>For example, the US news reported that the UN had condemned the practices in XJ, but in fact it was one US person on one commission that didn&#x27;t represent the UN as a whole. The US media has to do more than mere assertion. In any case, the current fascist US regime has little credibility on human rights issues given their open support for police murders and various policies of ripping children away from travelers and imprisoning them.<p>I&#x27;d like to say show me the evidence, but unfortunately when I try to read chinese government documents or political discourse I am befuddled by my inability to read chinese. :-&#x2F; Note how many US reporters on these stories cannot either.
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