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'Ugh fields', or why you can’t even bear to think about that task

543 pointsby robertwiblinover 4 years ago

32 comments

nullsenseover 4 years ago
&gt;Most people experience this from time to time.<p>If you&#x27;re unlucky enough to be at the tail end of the distribution where basic tasks make you feel this way every day it&#x27;s no longer called an &#x27;Ugh Field&#x27; instead it&#x27;s called the &quot;Wall of Awful&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Uo08uS904Rg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Uo08uS904Rg</a><p>One of the absolute best techniques I&#x27;ve found for breaking it is a trick I learned from DBT called &quot;Improve the moment&quot; where you simply think about what pleasant sensory experience could you introduce right now to make you feel better and then you do that quickly. I find if I put on a song or smell the lemon scented dishwashing liquid or run my hand under warm water it helps me to get moving on a task. It&#x27;s not fool proof but it&#x27;s a good tool to have in the toolbox.
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sandymcmurrayover 4 years ago
This is me too.<p>I have learned, slowly and painfully, that I need to wait 24 hours before saying yes to any optional assignment. I&#x27;m too optimistic about my available time and wired to be a people pleaser. When I&#x27;m asked to help and I recognize a gap I can fill, I tend to volunteer, even if I&#x27;m not the right person for the job. Days or weeks later, I realize it was the wrong decision then the Ugh feelings start up in earnest.<p>It&#x27;s important for me to realistically assess whether I have the knowledge, desire, and time to do the task. I&#x27;m learning to say no more often than I would like, and to be less afraid of the consequences of saying no. Promising to do something I can&#x27;t or won&#x27;t do is bad for everyone.<p>Better to think on the decision and politely say no up front if I don&#x27;t have the time or interest or enthusiasm required to get the job done.
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Apocryphonover 4 years ago
HN has always had productivity articles, but I&#x27;ve noticed some particularly good procrastination ones in the past few months [0]. I think this is another excellent addition, one that really examines the problem and goes beyond &quot;break it into manageable chunks&quot; or &quot;work on it for just ten minutes.&quot; For many, even those standard tactics are not enough, you really need to examine the most discrete and atomic feelings of discomfort that cause procrastination.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24170531" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24170531</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24039887" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24039887</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23537317" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23537317</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24360966" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24360966</a>
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ComputerGuruover 4 years ago
I cannot upvote this enough. As a single founder of a few different initiatives, this more than anything else has been the bane of my existence, exactly as it’s described with low-priority, low-effort but still required tasks that start off innocuously enough on my todo list but end up, thanks to not so much procrastination as resource starvation in a highly prioritized and always full queue, so delayed and as a direct result a thousand times the psychological burden than they ever deserve to be.<p>I wish I could just write my own tasks scheduler and flash my brain with the upgrade. I know, on paper, exactly what I should be doing and when I should do it; I know that I need a time slot for low priority tasks to empty the queue and prevent resource starvation; I know that intellectually rewarding tasks shouldn’t get a VIP pass that lets them short-circuit the line; I know that I need to give boring management tasks at least some weight on my daily to-do list as compared to the doing-it-myself tasks; but I just can’t.
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hlecuandaover 4 years ago
That used to be me. I was lucky to be working with friends who noticed these behaviors and suggested that I should seek proffessional mental health advise.<p>I ended up being diagnosed with AvPD (Avoidant Personality Disorder, ICD-10-CM F60.6). I started cognitive behavioral therapy and some prescriptions to manage anxiety and the related dysthymia (mild depression) that came with AvPD.<p>The fact that I can go about my life without procastination and anxiety is a testament to the correct diagnosis and accurate dosing that my Psychiatrist prescribed. Before actually seeking pro advise, I tried self-help, willpower, spirituality, you name it. Things were getting worse and fast. I was very lucky to be around people who cared about me and acted on their concerns.<p>¿Best product of health science ever? It&#x27;s a blue pill and it&#x27;s active ingredient is Clonazepam.
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gitpusherover 4 years ago
Wow, this hit close to home. It&#x27;s refreshing to know that this happens to other people as well!
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ncmncmover 4 years ago
The Ugh field must be a close relative of the SEP field: &quot;somebody else&#x27;s problem&quot;. As Douglas Adams noted, it&#x27;s the closest thing to invisibility possible in this universe.
shannifinover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve had this for the past couple months working on the GUI for a web app; it all just feels like &quot;ugh&quot;. The back end is where all the magic is, the front end is boring. If I could afford to hire someone, I wouldn&#x27;t think twice.<p>In the past, I&#x27;ve found streaming on Twitch helped a lot with &quot;ugh&quot; GUI dev. It reframed the activity; the main task was actually to stream, and I felt rewarded when people commented or followed me. (Also learned from people more experienced.)<p>I can&#x27;t stream my current project, but I suspect somehow reframing the activity in a similar manner will help. I just need to think of a way to do that...<p>In the meantime, I&#x27;m enjoying the comments here!
drinkwellover 4 years ago
<i>&#x27;And pity poor PhD students whose entire programs seem designed to make their life one enormous Ugh Field.&#x27;</i><p>This is uncomfortably on point for me. I&#x27;m mildly dyslexic and suffer with mild anxiety issues. Currently I&#x27;m trying to write up my PhD thesis and the whole process has got to the point where it is fairly unbearable. The problem is I&#x27;m the person that will probably be let down the most if I don&#x27;t complete. I&#x27;m a part time student, requesting my third extension, and have now accumulated 10 years worth of &#x27;ugh&#x27;. It&#x27;s embarrassing.
p1mrxover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve found that it&#x27;s harder to get stuff done when sitting alone in a box for 6 months, and the (non)completion of tasks has no bearing on whether I&#x27;ll continue sitting alone in a box.
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torotonnatoover 4 years ago
I’m relieved this phenomenon is widespread enough to have a name, giving names to things is really a underestimated power.<p>One technique I use to cope with this mental state: do complain, but only after you started doing that terrible job.
beervirusover 4 years ago
This happens to me sometimes with a work project. Typically the only way I can break the logjam is to just pull an all nighter, refuse to go to bed until it’s done.
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viburnumover 4 years ago
Telling myself I only have to do it for five minutes and then I can quit is usually enough to get me started. Never actually have to quit. Another approach is to take three steps back and think about how to change your life so these tasks are never your problem anymore.
rjkennedy98over 4 years ago
Some of the advice in this article is really on point. I particularly liked this one:<p>&gt; If you think about it calmly, you may well find that the task actually isn’t as important as it has come to feel. The person you imagine is disgusted by your failure may only be 2&#x2F;10 annoyed, or perhaps not even have noticed.<p>And to add to this, if that person wants to de-prioritize it, let them do so. I&#x27;ve had an &#x27;ugh field&#x27; trying to finish a data migration and my manager offered to put it back in the backlog because he could see I was struggling with it. I resisted for 3 straight sprints, but finally said OK yesterday. I felt an enormous sigh of relief.
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tethaover 4 years ago
I know these tasks all to well.<p>Another good strategy I&#x27;ve found is to break it into small actionable pieces and do one of them. Like, don&#x27;t have a task &quot;Clean the entire place&quot;, that&#x27;s big and scary. Clean up the sink and create a reminder to do it again next week.<p>Don&#x27;t build the entire dumb thing at once. Add in a necessary config value. Then think further and add another.<p>Slow, steady, methodical, habit enabling progress isn&#x27;t flashy, but powerful.
sasaf5over 4 years ago
This reminds me of the way Donald Knuth prioritizes his tasks. He wakes up in the morning and tackles his TODO list starting from the &quot;Ugh&quot;iest task.
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luordover 4 years ago
Great read. This puts a name (sort of) to something I&#x27;ve been struggling with for a long time. Knowing that it&#x27;s common actually does help a lot, and I&#x27;ll start having that, and the rest of the advice, in mind more often.
ep103over 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve adopted the following strategy for Ugh work. I would love to hear other people&#x27;s suggestions, because while I have found that the below algorithm works, any improvement would be greatly helpful.<p>1 - Is the Ugh work so small, that if I just power through it, it can be done in ~15 minutes? If so, give yourself an hour break or so, then just slam your head into that wall. 15 minutes is hardly any time at all.<p>Otherwise, follow the general below pattern:<p>2 - Document out the task. Figure out exactly that needs to be done. Most procrastination research I&#x27;ve seen, and personal experience validates, that just documenting out the task moves it from the theoretical (and easier to procrastinate) to something more tangible (and therefore less likely to be avoided &#x2F; less scary).<p>3 - Break the task out into small, concrete components. The smaller the components, the better. (procrastination research also strongly suggests this, as small concrete tasks are easier to visualize just doing and getting done, and feel less scary than big unknown problems).<p>4 - Out of all of those tasks you just broke out, can we throw any in the trash and ignore them? Once this became an &quot;ugh&quot; task, we stopped trying to solve this task perfectly. At this point, we just want completion, because this is holding up something more important (otherwise, why are we doing it at all?).<p>5 - Out of all those tasks you just broke out, are all of them ugh tasks? Or are some of them neutral &#x2F; easy? Often, just breaking things out into small tasks gets rid of the ugh factor, because now you can handle it in pieces. Its the combination of trying to do all the pieces at once that gives it an &quot;ugh&quot; factor (for example, doing all of the chores on a Sunday can be an Ugh. But having a list of chores I need to do in the next few days, and just do one or two now? Not bad at all, provided I never have to look at the entire list and get overwhelmed again, and can just pluck one from the top and feel good about my progress). Either way, do the easy &#x2F; neutral ones left.<p>6 - At this point, hopefully, the Ugh task is now just a fraction of the size it once was. If we&#x27;re under 15 minutes, just brute force it, and have some ice cream &#x2F; whiskey &#x2F; outdoor time as a reward.<p>7 - If the remaining ugh task still exists, or is atomic, estimate the amount of time it is going to take you. 10X that estimate. That is now the amount of time you must dedicate to that task, in order to get through it sanely and happily.<p>It was going to take you ~1-2 hours to look up that financial data that you really hate standardizing in excel? Great, that&#x27;s what YOUR ENTIRE SATURDAY is now dedicated to. Take breaks, play video games, do other things. Because in reality, you&#x27;re going to work for 15 minutes, then take a break for an hour, then work for 30 minutes, then go to the store for 2 hours, then work for 20 minutes, then cook dinner, etc, etc, etc.<p>An Ugh task with an estimate of 1 hour is usually an annoying task with an estimate of 10 hours (9 of which are positive, happy activities).
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ralphstodomingoover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve had some recent success at confronting these incidents by finding some secondary purpose or source of fun in the activity.<p>For example, there&#x27;s a company-wide report I&#x27;m in charge of curating every week. I&#x27;ve been doing it for the last 37 weeks or so, and have started to become dreadful to finish. Took me an upwards of 2 hours every week to accomplish. It deals with people&#x27;s submissions and cleaning them up, and checking for erroneous entries, so only a fraction of the whole report can be automated.<p>Until 3 weeks ago, I started considering timing myself doing the thing, and making note of what improvements I could do to speed up my next run. Within 3 weeks, I reduced the overall time for that task by around 75%, as it just takes me around 30 minutes now. This last run I did today I think I carved out more than 10 minutes of my previous run.
renewiltordover 4 years ago
You can beat this with amphetamines and deadline fear. You can also beat it with CBT-style self-reorganization but if you find yourself stuck and you have gotten to the part where you identify the problem but are unable to solve it, use amphetamines and apply some close up deadline terror.
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cpcallenover 4 years ago
I am flinching while reading the article because it makes me think about the specific examples in my own mind. I&#x27;m not even sure I can finish reading the link; it is just too uncomfortable.<p>Guess I&#x27;ll have to find a different displacement activity now.
gfodyover 4 years ago
&gt; Just recognising and labelling the Ugh Field phenomenon can make it less bad, because it’s an accurate systemic explanation for what’s going on, rather than a misleading personal one like “I’m hopeless and never get things done”.<p>great this does seem helpful<p>&gt; If Ugh Fields are a constant issue for you, it might be best to try tackling those underlying [mental] health and well-being issues first<p>It started out strong categorizing a sort of mental rut but then goes and blames it on underlying mental health issues? Not even anything specific just woolly depression&#x2F;anxiety&#x2F;etc. - not helpful in the least!
clktmrover 4 years ago
Glad the author mentioned taxes, which are definitely my &#x27;ugh field&#x27;. However I already pay a professional to do most of the work, but it doesn&#x27;t help.
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paraschopraover 4 years ago
The way I deal with essential ugh work is to schedule it at a time when I’m most likely to be energetic and productive - which is morning time usually. But I do make sure I don’t stack too many ugh work in a day and that my day has at least one enjoyable work that I can look forward to after I’m done with ugh work.
fizixerover 4 years ago
&#x27;Grading homeworks and exams&#x27;. I&#x27;m sorry the only way I could get over it is by leaving academia.
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CodeWriter23over 4 years ago
My wife’s expedient solution, she says “It’s work, just do it”.
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aaron695over 4 years ago
Two ideas<p>1. Tell someone else.<p>2. Just start it, something really small, you can 100% then stop after doing it with a reward, but you are allowed to continue if you want.
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zanecrawover 4 years ago
Good read. I never knew this existed, but now I can put a name to what i&#x27;ve been feeling.
MithrilTuxedoover 4 years ago
As a backend Java developer working on projects built using Maven, I&#x27;m still trying to overcome this with the tool our regression team chose to standardize on for integration and regression testing: SOAP-UI.
royletronover 4 years ago
My &#x27;ugh field&#x27; right now is making a staging environment for a Wordpress blog that has been left untouched for quite a few years. Anyone raise me?
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Igelauover 4 years ago
&gt; all the normal literature on overcoming procrastination<p>Enough for weeks, months, years of reading... and plenty of other people reading it to argue about it with!
raindropmover 4 years ago
&#x27;Ugh fields&#x27;<p>This will be my next go-to word when facing with, um, Ugh fields.