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Our Problem Is Gullibility, Not Disinformation

51 pointsby danielrm26over 4 years ago

7 comments

ZeroGravitasover 4 years ago
I disagree.<p>Taking the religion example. If you look around the world, most people follow their parents faith.<p>It seems likely that many have been exposed to other faiths. Do we think that those other faiths seem less credible and so people are seeing through them on some logical basis? Or has their parents&#x2F;local community&#x27;s faith simply spent a lot longer on convincing them it&#x27;s true.<p>Similarly, the ideas that the author seems to consider dangerous didn&#x27;t grow in vaccum. I dont think a russian agent could bet his colleagues that he&#x27;d get Americans to believe anything they named, like George Washington invented the grilled cheese sandwich.<p>Buy they don&#x27;t need to convince people of anything specific, just amplify existing messages like:<p>Scientists are lying to you about covid.<p>Which feeds off extensive prep work from &quot;scientists are lying to you about climate change&quot; which is probably the best funded disinformation campaign in history.<p>And is further reinforced by authority positions in their communities, repeating the disinformation.<p>The GOP in it&#x27;s current incarnation can&#x27;t exist without disinformation, and so they&#x27;ll fight any attempt to educate their base, and if they fail they&#x27;ll just disenfranchise the ones that wise up.
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dmerksover 4 years ago
The patch to gullibility is critical thinking. Rudimentary critical thinking in any field requires general knowledge of it. Citizens of democracies need to think critically on many topics, hence they need to know a lot in many fields, and to learn ongoingly throughout their lives. Education becomes important. But Education costs a lot...<p>Maybe the solution is to gradually make learning as accessible, inexpensive and beneficial as possible.
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xkcd-sucksover 4 years ago
Most examples cited in this article seem like problems of faith, in that they concern matters that individual Deplorables cannot (practically) observe themselves. Or of &quot;misplaced&quot; faith, in the case of Jesus, demons and ghosts.<p>Which is not too surprising - people have gotten screwed by faith forever: Uncritical belief of the Church, the State, the salesman or prophet, etc. often leads to the believers&#x27; exploitation for the basest of ends.<p>Which is not to say that killing bullshit once and for all is impossible or an unworthy goal, but it&#x27;s high effort and messy.
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AtlasBarfedover 4 years ago
Unfortunately, if you have a subconscious, you have some degree of gullibility &#x2F; susceptibility to propaganda.
growlistover 4 years ago
Can&#x27;t we all just trust Snopes though? &#x2F;s
jl2718over 4 years ago
Education? A non-gullible student would not graduate high school. What most people, seemingly author included, consider to be &#x27;knowledge&#x27; is no better than rote. Consider that one person can have the exact same experience, and come out of it with exact opposite beliefs. The difference is whether they are told to believe it, movie versus news, novel versus history book. Just try to verify you kids&#x27; history lessons with observable non-narrative evidence. If you do have evidence, does it actually prove the entire narrative, or does it simply bolster a tiny piece within a mosaic of myth? In science and law, the standard of proof is massively greater than the standard of disproof. Any &#x27;knowledge&#x27; tested by a different standard is at best a guess, most likely dogma, and at worst, propaganda, intentional disinformation. High school teachers assign Orwell, &quot;He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present, controls the past.&quot;, and somehow believe that this is a warning about somebody else, that they are not the primary agents of the second statement, and that they are themselves immune to such manipulation. Has a student ever been asked who controls and manipulates them and received a passing grade by pointing the finger right back at the teacher themselves? No; it&#x27;s always some boogeyman that they have never met, but must girder themselves against with the dogma taught within these walls. And if you don&#x27;t believe it, not only will the boogeyman get you, but we will fail you and destroy your life. It&#x27;s for your own good; you&#x27;ll understand someday.<p>I will choose the most basic fact on his list. I want to see the author prove that the earth is a sphere by his own observations. I can almost guarantee that no mandated high school curriculum teaches even how to do this, nonetheless asks students to do so. The standard of belief is &#x27;rational&#x27; narrative, as in, a story that contains no major contradictions within itself, and for expediency, is not subject to cross-examination. Dogma. If I recall correctly, this question was asked in an astronomy PhD seminar at MIT, and nobody knew how to do it.<p>So smug is the author in his ignorance. &#x27;Not believing&#x27; should be the default. Narratives should be understood as culture, good to know, possibly true, and likely imperfect, but ultimately just a story that may be learned from just like religion or myth, whether true or not. I have a sense that ancient people understood this better than we do today.<p>His criticism of others is nothing but tribalism. He&#x27;s not educating in the sense of providing evidence toward a rational conclusion, or even bolstering his own narrative. He&#x27;s simply labeling other people as lesser than himself. And, to head off any accusations of hypocrisy, to some extent, so am I with him. The point here is that so-called &#x27;knowledge&#x27; is an ancient battleground rooted in disparate sets of values. People should know that they are being indoctrinated, and also that it&#x27;s nearly impossible to survive among other humans without choosing some flavor of that. But it does have implications for your life, whether your own beliefs serve you, harm you, or shames you into serving someone else.
adamnemecekover 4 years ago
This feels like a rehash of &quot;guns don&#x27;t kill people, people kill people&quot;.
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