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Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

228 pointsby BoumTACover 4 years ago

48 comments

timviseeover 4 years ago
Sad! Developer of `ffsend` here.<p>I&#x27;ve built `ffsend` as CLI tool for Send to securely share files from the command line. It has been a great success! Thanks Mozilla, for building and providing this amazing service!<p>For the interested: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;timvisee&#x2F;ffsend" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;timvisee&#x2F;ffsend</a><p>I&#x27;m currently hosting a public Send instance myself to ffsend keep working. Let&#x27;s see how long I can keep this going (and funded).
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varbhatover 4 years ago
Looks like Mozilla is becoming VPN company shifting it&#x27;s previous focus which was on browserware.<p>Mozilla VPN seems to be just rebranded resell of Mullavad VPN with Mozilla Goodies.<p>Mozilla Monitor seems to use <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;haveibeenpwned.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;haveibeenpwned.com&#x2F;</a> (also as seen in Firefox desktop)<p>Mozilla Firefox Private Network looks like another Cloudflare Warp&#x27;s rebrand (with litte good additions maybe?) seeing that it uses Cloudflare .<p>Mozilla Firefox is also losing it&#x27;s usershare and Management division may force in future to ditch Gecko and adopt Webkit&#x2F;Blink in the hope that it could bring more userbase (just my thought) to lessen maintainance and focus on revenue.<p>If it brings revenue for them doing this,then it is absolutely good for them , but we are slowly loosing the Original Mozilla as Company based on Philosophy.
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causality0over 4 years ago
Calling a service that launched only 17 months ago &quot;legacy functionality&quot; is troubling. Why should I engage with any new Mozilla product or service if they&#x27;re going to cut it off at the knees after a year?
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codefinedover 4 years ago
Hm, been spending a while creating a &#x27;Firefox Send&#x27; copy, attempting to host files. Check out a new verison at:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;v2.femto.pw&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;v2.femto.pw&#x2F;</a><p>Looking for some help if anyone can, :)<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;femto-apps&#x2F;web-file-uploader" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;femto-apps&#x2F;web-file-uploader</a><p>The old copy (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;femto.pw&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;femto.pw&#x2F;</a>) has been used over 100 million times and sent over 13PB of data!
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SimeVidasover 4 years ago
Why not create a Firefox+ subscription service (for like $10 per month) and then make Send, Notes, VPN, and more exclusive to that service?<p>Some people over here are dying to start paying for Firefox.<p>(Mozilla donations go to the much smaller non-profit part of Mozilla and are unrelated to Firefox.)
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simonebrunozziover 4 years ago
Wrong title, Mozilla; title should have been &quot;Firefox Send and Firefox Notes to be discontinued soon&quot;, or something like that.<p>Don&#x27;t hide behind the fact. Tell the fact in the title.
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kilroy123over 4 years ago
Why couldn’t they make send work <i>and</i> make money while <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wetransfer.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wetransfer.com&#x2F;</a> is flourishing?
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ahnickover 4 years ago
Yea, for easy github forking! :) Firefox Send was such a great and simple tool for sharing those &gt;10MB (anything that won&#x27;t fit in an email) files with literally anyone.<p>Now that we&#x27;ll be maintaining our own fork (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;plyint&#x2F;send" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;plyint&#x2F;send</a>), if anyone has any thoughts on features or fixes you&#x27;d like added I&#x27;d love to hear from you. Just send us a message from our website (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plyint.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plyint.com</a>), open a github issue or contact me through my HN profile. I can&#x27;t promise will implement it, but we&#x27;ll definitely give it a serious look.
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hellcowover 4 years ago
Getting rid of Send is so disappointing. That was a hugely useful tool.<p>Why not add a Report button and start charging for the service?
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cozzydover 4 years ago
Charging a nominal amount for send seems like it would solve the malware problem and help their finances...
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lmedinasover 4 years ago
Another disappointment from Mozilla. Some of the tools that were kinda of unique from a browser and company that values privacy. I actually thought one of the strategies from Mozilla was to actually build an ecosystem around the browser to bring new users and to have something unique to fight chrome. It seems they have lost completely all focus have no strategy after killing the Servo and Rust Team. What is next killing the Gecko Team and use Blink ?
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Animatsover 4 years ago
That&#x27;s progress. I just want the browser, not a &quot;cloud service&quot;.<p>Now to lose &quot;Pocket&quot; and bring back a bookmarks toolbar that lets you find things locally.
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AdmiralAsshatover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m crushed to see Firefox Send go away. It was an amazing tool.<p>In the &quot;This is why we can&#x27;t have nice things category&quot; it&#x27;s sad to see yet another encrypted file-sharing service that is inevitably shut down when someone starts abusing it to host malware or child porn.
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Kyeover 4 years ago
I used Firefox Send for deliverables on a commission. It was so <i>easy</i>. I could send updated versions and set a date for the download to expire to make sure both sides were on the current version. That was worth money. They could have charged for it.
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ferossover 4 years ago
You can always send files using the WebTorrent protocol, over at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;instant.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;instant.io</a><p>No file size limit.
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bachmeierover 4 years ago
Hate to say it, given that I&#x27;ve been using Firefox as my browser since before it was called Firefox, but I think Mozilla is done if they can&#x27;t find a way to monetize these services. There&#x27;s just a complete of leadership. I hope there&#x27;s a non-Mozilla fork of Firefox that keeps it going. A big challenge I know but Google gets all your data once Firefox is dead.
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amingilaniover 4 years ago
Send was the only reliable tool I&#x27;d found to date. I&#x27;m really disappointed by this. Hopefully, they&#x27;ll have better luck finding a profitable product.
propogandistover 4 years ago
they were using s3 for file storage. This was likely just burning incredible amount of cash and had absolutely no monetization angle in play.
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frabbitover 4 years ago
And in nearly the same breath they announce a net nanny service to help people maintain their YouTube recommendations bubbles.<p>I like Firefox, but I worry about the direction the Mozilla Foundation are taking. At least it&#x27;s Free Software.
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forestoover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve been bookmarking point-to-point file transfer tools. These are not file hosting services like Firefox Send; both endpoints must be online at the same time. Nevertheless, I suspect they might be useful to some other folks here. Please post corrections or more detail on any of these if you have it. I haven&#x27;t had time to try most of them yet.<p>WebWormhole: WebRTC encryption, direct data transfer, large file support, browser and command line. Looks more versatile than the others. Has not undergone security review yet.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;saljam&#x2F;webwormhole" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;saljam&#x2F;webwormhole</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webwormhole.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webwormhole.io&#x2F;</a><p>Magic Wormhole: Data relay required (public relay is often slow), mainly command line.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;warner&#x2F;magic-wormhole" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;warner&#x2F;magic-wormhole</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;magic-wormhole.readthedocs.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;magic-wormhole.readthedocs.io&#x2F;</a><p>croc: End-to-end encryption, data relay required (I think), command line only.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;schollz&#x2F;croc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;schollz&#x2F;croc</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;schollz.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;croc6&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;schollz.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;croc6&#x2F;</a><p>File Pizza: WebTorrent, seems to load entire file into RAM, browser only.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kern&#x2F;filepizza" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kern&#x2F;filepizza</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;file.pizza&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;file.pizza&#x2F;</a><p>Snapdrop: WebRTC encryption, local sharing only (I think), browser only.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;RobinLinus&#x2F;snapdrop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;RobinLinus&#x2F;snapdrop</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snapdrop.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snapdrop.net&#x2F;</a>
mwexlerover 4 years ago
While sad to see Notes go, I&#x27;ve been pretty impressed with the continued support of the free Simplenote <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;simplenote.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;simplenote.com</a> from Automattic. It&#x27;s basic but nice, and I&#x27;ve actually gotten help from them the few times I&#x27;ve had issues.
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wcerfgbaover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m glad Mozilla are focusing more on their core product (Firefox the web browser) instead of trying to compete in overcrowded markets like file transfer (WeTransfer, MEGA, Google Drive, Dropbox, ...) and notes (Notion, Workflowy, Google Drive, Microsoft OneNote, ...).
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tempfsover 4 years ago
Seems pretty clear by now that Mozilla is on a path to just slowly transform Firefox into Chrome or try to abandon it &#x27;to the community&#x27; like they did with Thunderbird. Either way they&#x27;ve clearly signalled that they could not give a shit about Firefox any more.<p>Since Edge is basically Chrome with Microsoft&#x27;s telemetry baked in that means that your browser choices will either be the one made directly by an ad company or Chrome repackaged by some other company that just wants to pipe the browser telemetry back into their already egregious OS telemetry pipeline.<p>It is definitely time for a fork or a fresh start with actual privacy, security and simplicity in mind.
SubiculumCodeover 4 years ago
I suggest we all write to Firefox and suggest charging $1&#x2F;month for Send.
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forgotpwd16over 4 years ago
Services relevant to data sharing are going to be abused. This should have been expected. On the other hand Notes is being deprecated because isn&#x27;t used much? It can be handy as an extension.
ebfe1over 4 years ago
If you want a minimal setup that does similar job with all encryption done in browser and absolute no plaintext, password send back to server, i just wrote <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.relaysecret.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.relaysecret.com</a> earlier this week. It is opensource, with minimal footprint on aws (1lambda, 1 gateway, 1 s3), deploy using terraform and should be very cheap to run. It&#x27;s a pet project so i limit the filesize to 30mb but you can change that easily if you roll your own. :)
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cryoover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve build cryo for end-to-end encrypted p2p file transfers without cloud or signal server components.<p>Imho all solutions which require a webserver somewhere are doomed to fail at some point, or as in this case can be discontinued.<p>P2P tools should be client only with no servers at all to survive time and provide independency. Tools on their own don&#x27;t matter either, but protocols like BitTorrent do.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cryonet.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cryonet.io</a>
SubiculumCodeover 4 years ago
I LOVED Firefox Send. This saddens me...stupid malware abusers
haunterover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve started using <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transfer.sh&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transfer.sh&#x2F;</a> as a replacement
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woranlover 4 years ago
This is inevitable. Mozilla should focus on their browser tech and monetization, instead of creating competing services to other consumer focused startups.<p>Listen to the developers and implement API. Firefox web API implementation is so far behind from Chrome. It is saddening.<p>Sell and bring values to developers. They are your most likely customers, not the general public.
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harrier-lccover 4 years ago
There are some good alternatives out there like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;encl.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;encl.io&#x2F;</a> , pretty much a faster Firefox Send alternative for sending 1GB files for 7 days
chriswalzover 4 years ago
At GoSecret.io you can use our upload feature (similar to Firefox Send). We haven&#x27;t open sourced our code but we definitely are considering it in wake of Firefox Send getting shutdown. Please ping me if you&#x27;re interested
Walterionover 4 years ago
I worked on blackhole.run as a more advanced version, but it is sad to see such a cool and secure service shuts down; there is a need to have more secure tools, not less. Thanks to the Mozilla team for a great job.
libraryatnightover 4 years ago
As a Firefox notes user, baiting me in with an &quot;Update&quot; title is cruel.
NikolaeVariusover 4 years ago
Oh man, send was great. I think I would have paid to use the service just fine.
m-p-3over 4 years ago
Sad to see Firefox Send being discontinued, it was a great service.. In wondering if they&#x27;ll keep updating the source code and simply stop hosting an instance? Because I wouldn&#x27;t mind hosting my own.
freeAgentover 4 years ago
Damn, I didn’t know they already taken Send offline. I don’t use it much, but it’s great in a pinch for just getting a file to a stranger quickly and without much fuss. I’ll have to explore the alternatives.
timwisover 4 years ago
Darn, Firefox Send was excellent. end-to-end encryption, user-friendly, backed by a reputable privacy-focused company.. Anyone know a decent alternative?
unstatusthequoover 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;send.tresorit.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;send.tresorit.com</a>
gulercover 4 years ago
SendGB.com is good way for file transferring up to 20GB. No needed registration or verification.
thayneover 4 years ago
They are dropping things I might actually pay for to focus on products I never will...
warkdarriorover 4 years ago
118 comments at this point, at least 5 complaining about Mozilla management. Hmmm
the-dudeover 4 years ago
~ $500M funding a year.
Barrin92over 4 years ago
man that sucks I loved send. I generally used magic-wormhole with people who were comfortable setting it up but as far as ease of use went send was great.
Yizahiover 4 years ago
Still true: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;949&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;949&#x2F;</a>
slaterover 4 years ago
Now do Pocket integration! :D
nbzxover 4 years ago
&gt;Unfortunately, some abusive users were beginning to use Send to ship malware and conduct spear phishing attacks.<p>Isn&#x27;t it absurdly incompetent of them not to foresee this?
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mathfailureover 4 years ago
That&#x27;s good.