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Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

121 pointsby tdrndover 4 years ago

18 comments

anigbrowlover 4 years ago
Low bandwidth mesh networking is super interesting but I would prefer not to have it supplied by Buy'n'Large.
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maxioaticover 4 years ago
Whitepaper link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.media-amazon.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;G&#x2F;01&#x2F;sidewalk&#x2F;privacy_security_whitepaper_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.media-amazon.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;G&#x2F;01&#x2F;sidewalk&#x2F;privacy_secu...</a>
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rayhendricksover 4 years ago
So this is basically yet another reason to not let Amazon echo&#x2F;Alexa on your network.
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acrunsover 4 years ago
I worked with a casion who uses BLE to track you throughout their properties that is similar to this idea. The BLE along with their own data (w&#x2F;l and how much) plus their app (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.mgmresorts.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.mgmresorts.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;</a>) gave them every detail they needed to keep you playing slots. Headed for the front doors, boom free credit, headed to the elevators, free buffet, sitting by the pool for too long, new tables are opening, you get the idea. And of course since they own half the casions in vegas they can track you as you go to other casinos. Want to do fun stuff? Who is in your room with you? how long? where in your room? How long does it take you to get ready before heading to the show? What time did you go to bed &#x2F; get up? What did you have for dinner, who did you have dinner with? Who did you chat with in the lobby and for how long? Where did they go after your chat? Where did you go? On and on. Not that they collect and use that data (see how I said collect and use?) but they could. They are only interested in your spending your money and could really care less who and how you have sex with or if you met up with a local coke dealer in the lobby, but cops might, it&#x27;s all too much IMO.<p>Alot of you are devs, let your mind run wild with the data you could collect and sell, and then tell me if anything amzaon released yesterday isn&#x27;t creppy.
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danoover 4 years ago
LoRa is super interesting and this is an absolutely logical step for Amazon and for Google Home. Providing ubiquitous gateways for IoT devices could enable an entirely new markets. Not everyone wants to spend $150 for a LoRaWAN gateway, nor do they see the value in doing so. Devices that come pre-configured with LoRa and can connect to a network through an Echo &#x2F; Nest &#x2F; Home device will function right out of the box. The marginal cost of adding something like LoRa or BLE to existing Internet connections is essentially zero.
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giladover 4 years ago
Are there legal implications on an ISP subscriber if illegal activity is conducted via their network? I would very much mind sharing a ‘small fraction of bandwidth’ while having arbitrarily large legal exposure.
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turing_completeover 4 years ago
Why does this link to techcrunch instead of the actual source &#x2F; whitepaper?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.media-amazon.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;G&#x2F;01&#x2F;sidewalk&#x2F;privacy_security_whitepaper_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.media-amazon.com&#x2F;images&#x2F;G&#x2F;01&#x2F;sidewalk&#x2F;privacy_secu...</a>
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Thorrezover 4 years ago
&gt; The maximum bandwidth a device can use is capped at 500MB<p>Per day? Per month? Per year? For the device&#x27;s lifetime?
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tomcamover 4 years ago
&gt; Sidewalk, which is somewhat akin to a mesh network that, with the right amount of access points, could easily cover a whole neighborhood, is now getting closer to launch<p>Doesn’t that make it the very definition of a mesh network?
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mellosoulsover 4 years ago
Further creepy ingress masquerading as helpfulness by the tech giants.
Abishek_Muthianover 4 years ago
I really want development in low-bandwidth network to accelerate, not because I want to switch ON my garden lights outside my WiFi range but I think it could deliver network access to remote location for education and communication.<p>Education has come to a standstill for marginalised communities in several parts of the world, online education has become a norm as access to devices&#x2F;Internet has been taken for granted, but it is causing irreversible harm to those who were already at the receiving end of the inequality.<p>Obviously low-bandwidth network isn&#x27;t going to deliver Zoom classes, but I think a combination of broadcasting educational content through traditional free-to-air television&#x2F;radio and low-power computer on a low-bandwidth network for text communication with the educator can help deliver remote education for the underprivileged[1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;needgap.com&#x2F;problems&#x2F;149-remote-education-for-underprivileged-education-poverty" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;needgap.com&#x2F;problems&#x2F;149-remote-education-for-underp...</a>
Animatsover 4 years ago
Not enough bandwidth for video. So their various camera devices can&#x27;t do much with it. Not even their new home security drone.[1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;I71IBh3qHX0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;I71IBh3qHX0</a>
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asimover 4 years ago
Side note: Is it me or has Amazon been announcing a lot of things lately? I think the fact that Amazon is beginning to rule the fabric of the world and is controlled by the richest man in the world makes me slightly uneasy. I can&#x27;t really place it right now but something tells me a decade from now this is going to be a big problem and they were just left unchecked to proliferate throughout the world until we became entirely dependent on them. Dictators and surveillance states often start in very non-obvious ways and most tend to not even see the issue when the exist within it. If the world is consumed by Amazon, what then?
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csmattryderover 4 years ago
If you track the user ID along a route of IoT IDs (which they&#x27;re totally not doing), factoring in the path taken and time between stops, you could probably find out which stores the user had been (window) shopping at.<p>For a massive e-commerce platform, it would be great info to digitally retarget the physically-abandoned shopping carts.
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edf13over 4 years ago
Amazon detail: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Amazon-Sidewalk&#x2F;b?ie=UTF8&amp;node=21328123011" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Amazon-Sidewalk&#x2F;b?ie=UTF8&amp;node=213281...</a>
kangaroozachover 4 years ago
Sidewalk for my own devices? Great! Sidewalk for my neighbors devices? Nope. Wait, it’s all or nothing? Seems like a privacy issue.
7952over 4 years ago
I wonder if this could be used for Corona contact tracing?
marta_morena_29over 4 years ago
&gt; Amazon expects that users won’t mind sharing a small fraction of their bandwidth with their neighbors.<p>Very interested to see how this will be protected against exploits.
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