The anandtech article is here: <a href="https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu" rel="nofollow">https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-...</a><p>(via <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720711" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720711</a>, which we've merged hither)
This is one of those Shut up and Take my Money Product announcement.<p>~20% Increase in IPC, ~10% Increase in Boost Clock Speed. It doesn't matter how Intel spin it, single thread performance will no longer be an Intel only selling point. <i>32MB</i> L3 Cache is going to be very useful for certain types of Application.<p>Some of these were rumoured for quite some time. But having it confirmed is a completely different matter. And the pricing is still very good compared to what we used to get from Intel.<p>My only concern is stock availability. And not just at launch but over its life time. AMD has been very conservative with their production estimate. ( Again It is not TSMC's fault ) It wasn't long ago they were on the verge of bankruptcy, so it is understandable but at the same time I wish they took a little more risk.<p>It is also interesting there is no mention of EPYC 3. I am quite concern about their lack of progress in the Enterprise / Server segment.
5900X beats a 10900K by 100 points in Cinebench R20 Single-Thread. 100. Points. That's 20 % higher per-thread throughput.<p>20 % IPC increase, 20 % higher perf/W on the same process, effectively double the cache size, and reduced memory latency. Absolute insanity from AMD.<p>I'm almost a little disappointed they didn't introduce a 5960X -- they could probably claim 2x-3x performance over the Intel part.
I've just upgraded my Notebook to an HP EliteBook 835 G7, which is a 13" Notebook with a Ryzen 7 4750U. I've decked it out with 64GB Ram and a 2TB SSD. 8 Cores, 16 threads, boosting to 4,1ghz, 3 outputs capable of 4k 60hz, (2* dp over usb-c, 1 hdmi 2.0), 2 full size USB A Ports... and a lot more goodies all packed in a very supremely built chassis.<p>I couldn't want for more, (ok Thunderbolt, but that's not as valuable as everything else).<p>I'm VERY happy with it's performance and couldn't be more grateful that AMD is providing much needed competition in the CPU market, I wouldn't have gotten a machine this powerful at this size otherwise.<p>So yeah, i'll upgrade my Desktop to Ryzen 5950 once I get the opportunity, even if it's just to hold more fire below Intel's feet.
In 2017 I decided to build a gaming PC. I had been out of the PC Gaming world for a while, so I watched some youtubers to see what I should buy. Ryzen first gen had just come out, and Linus Tech Tips was pretty pro AMD. Seemed pretty optimistic.<p>I bought a Ryzen 1700, and checked the AMD stock price. It was ~$10.<p>I told all my friends to buy AMD stock.<p>I had never purchased stocks before, but I was pretty sure that AMD was going to go up. I bought $500 worth of AMD stock at $12. (it took a few months for me to get around to buying it)<p>As 2018 went on, financial market started to pay attention to AMD. People were calling it a buy at ~30$.<p>I was pretty sure that everyone else had missed the boat and that I was in the money solely because of Linus Tech Tips.<p>Now here we are, AMD at $85. Thanks Linus.
This looks very promising, with 19% IPC increase and keeping the power envelope. They're calling it "the fastest core on the market". And that's at $549 for 12 cores, $449 for 8 cores, and $299 for 6 cores.<p>Off topic, it's incredible what a flat tone Mark Papermaster managed to use when saying "I couldn't be more excited to present...".
I was somewhat taken aback by this complete focus on gaming. Gaming this, gaming that, FPS this and that.<p>Buying a 3900X was one of the best purchases I ever made, but from the video, as a non-gamer, it's not entirely clear to me why I should consider upgrading to the 5900X. A non-gaming benchmark would have been helpful.<p>Perhaps I just misunderstood the target demographic of the Ryzen 9, and maybe what I'm thinking of (and should be looking at) is Threadripper after all.
They make this sound like a large change to the fundamental design of these chips. That gets me wondering: how do they test redesigns during development? I assume it's very hard to predict the performance impact of many changes. How often are they manufacturing test chips to measure performance? How much does that cost to do? Can you realistically simulate performance characteristics?
At least for the laptop market AMD seems to have been issues with distribution, manufacturing, I was looking the Lenovo website for some models and it's hard to find an AMD based one. Out of stock or not available. Feels like when the Nintendo Switch was first launched. Hopefully they will address that soon.
I only hope that the wonderful improvements in AMD chips are not made possible by something as clever as Intel's 10 years ago, which ended up exploitable in interesting ways.
Add to calendar / reminders<p>Radeon 6000 BIG NAVI - Oct 28
<a href="https://www.usehappen.com/events/89753512" rel="nofollow">https://www.usehappen.com/events/89753512</a><p>Ryzen 5000 on shelf - Nov 5
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Just that new and shiny is here doesn't mean the old system became slower. The compilation improvement of 9%, for me it means that most important thing didn't get significantly faster. Unless the Phoronix tests on compiling Apache show better results than AMD:s GCC compilation. (Apache scales badly with threads so, I use that as rough approximation of making change in a file or two and then recompiling only what's affected by the change.)<p>Using 4k 60hz tv as monitor means CPU gaming performance improvement doesn't matter for 99% of titles as it is limited by either the Screen or GPU.<p>On the other hand people who have older CPU:s this is really nice increment in addition to previous improvements. A single generation improvement doesn't feel large enough to really matter. Except for professional Gamers with ultra fast GPU:s and monitors, trying to compete for prizes.
PSA: If you're on the market for a new CPU, and have seen in the past that rr (<a href="https://rr-project.org/" rel="nofollow">https://rr-project.org/</a>) didn't support Ryzen, you can stop worrying about it: Support for Ryzen has recently landed. It's not in a release yet, but it's on the master branch.
AMD keeping the same standard TDPs at 105W and 65W was such a good design decision. Clear contrast to Samsung's oft-criticized MLC to TLC move with their 980 Pro.<p>People care about both absolute TDP and power efficiency.
What I love is that these are often drop in replacements. How has AMD gotten AM4 to last so long as a form factor? Intel just burns through socket designs it feels like by comparison.
The Threadripper version of this series is going to be pretty insane I imagine.<p>It is really nice to have something lighting a fire under Intel's feet to drive advances here.
With the two coinciding like this for 2021, I feel like you'll get a ton of gaming bang per buck with a budget CPU from the Zen 3 series and a budget graphics card from Nvidia's 30 series or maybe also AMD's counterpart. Exciting times with major leaps on both fronts.
What is a little disappointing is the big increase in MSRP. Then again, it's a pandemic and AMD is the leader in almost everything, so it is somewhat justified. However, Ryzen 3000 will still be around for the more bang-buck focused builders.
Cinebench R20 score of 631 is bonkers. Hopefully pricing stays nearly in line with the 3000 series. Very exciting for what's basically a same socket incremental update.<p>Edit: 549 usd for the 5900X, 449 for the 5800X, 299 for the 5600X
If you want to know what changed to get 20% performance increase - everything basically - but they focus on the 8 cores on a die can now access 32mb L3 cache directly rather than two sets of 4 cores on a die accessing 2 x 16mb L3 cache.<p>Here is the point in the video about IPC improvements:<p><a href="https://youtu.be/iuiO6rqYV4o?t=406" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/iuiO6rqYV4o?t=406</a>
What I am really hoping for out of the next-gen AMD offering is value.<p>GPUs are so insanely expensive anymore, it is so frustrating to want to upgrade my 6 year old 970 GTX and be unable to do a meaningful upgrade without spending over $400.<p>Edit: 8 year old -> 6 year old
Edit: Ryzen 5000 line -> next-gen AMD offering
When the 3800X and 3900X came out, they included coolers.<p>Then the 3800XT and 3800XT bumped the clock speed by around 2%, increased the price by 15–18% (coming in at the prices the X models had been at release, but said X models had come down), and removed the cooler, which effectively bumped the price by, I dunno, maybe another 5% to get equivalent coolers—if you can even <i>get</i> cheap coolers for them.<p>Now the 5800X and 5900X are coolerless too.<p>Any idea why they seem to have changed their philosophy here? I’ve always thought having a cooler was very convenient, as on paper the provided cooler seemed to be quite good enough—though to be sure there’s a reason why the 3950X and up don’t include a cooler (“cooler not included, liquid cooling recommended”).
It sounds like "Big Navi" may roughly match RTX 2000-series performance, but not quite meet RTX 3000-series performance (which is better than I was expecting).
The FPS improvements on some of those games are huge, makes me think that they've also improved memory transfer efficiency as well as IPC improvements.
Why they go with gaming CPU first when it doesn't make much difference if cpu is 6% faster? I was hoping to see a product I could use in a workstation e.g a 32 core one that would have single core speed better than Intel. From that perspective the launch feels dissapointning. I've been needlessly holding money as I need a new CPU. I will have to go with a top Intel one. I'll try AMD next year maybe.
Do intel still out perform AMD on emulation? I'm upgrading my pc under my tv, I find most of the games I play now are on emulators. Especially great playing old PS1 games that I never played the first time round, which all the smoothing etc. I keep hearing IPC is higher on intel? But I guess this latest news means ryzen will out perform on IPC too?
I am waiting for my 3970x to arrive next week (it was a long wait to get a GPU and 256gb of RAM due to shortages) and I am already thinking that maybe I should have waited just a bit longer. That is after not upgrading my Ivy Bridge quad for about 7 years due to lackluster offerings from Intel. It's very exciting these days thanks to AMD!
"This will be the only processor (at launch) with a 65 W TDP" that is shame. The 3900 got good reviews, but it is very hard to buy, while 3900x is available. So I assume same will happen with 5900.
I don't follow the chip world closely... I see a number of comments about how this compares to intel, but is there a good unbiased summary that compares the current roadmaps for Intel and AMD?
I'm very excited for this. The only applications I run where I really hurt for extra CPU performance are game emulators, and most of those are heavily constrained by single-core performance.
How it the TDP number determined? How can the 8 core CPU be 105W and the 16 core CPU be 105W too? Why isn't the maximum power draw of 16 cores roughly double the power draw of 8 cores?
~20% more performance for about ~50% more price, based on what the 3000 series is selling for. Maybe the 3000 series is a better deal.<p>The price increases really make Zen 3 less compelling.
So the benchmarks are insane, always trust but verify there. I only caught the tail end but what would really let me buy in to Team Red is a competitor to VTune and IPP.
A long time ago perhaps up until even Phenom2 processor from AMD I used to hear people saying AMD systems felt snappier even though they weren't benchmarking as good.<p>Does anyone have a solid explanation was it just rumours, fanboyism or there was something about the system. I just thought about context switch or syscall overhead was that ever meaningfully different.
When is Intel's next chip announcement? Is there anything in the pipes to make them more competitive with home enthusiasts again? My main Linux box and NAS run Ryzen and I'm a fan, but I don't want to see competition leave the market. I was hoping Intel would finally release stand-alone workstation graphics cards.