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Ask HN: Why is consumer ethernet so slow?

3 pointsby gangster_daveover 4 years ago
The state of the art in other technologies is extremely fast: 10 Gbps for Wifi 6/6e, 10 Gbps for 5g, 48 Gbps for HDMI 2.1 (not networking, but common). Meanwhile, consumer ethernet is still predominantly 1 Gbps. Why hasn't this changed over the past twenty years?

8 comments

banjo_milkmanover 4 years ago
10GBASE-T was actually standardised in 2006. PHY chips were available that year but reaching 100m was very difficult on unshielded cables - the chips were large, high power, expensive to make, 100m was only guaranteed if users upgraded the cables to Cat6A - and the solutions had relatively high latency due to the need for powerful error correction. After PHY vendors had 100m working - an enormous technical challenge - they were not inclined to release an &#x27;easier&#x27;&#x2F;cheaper 10m&#x2F;30m version, since that would have enabled more competitors, reduced revenues and partitioned the market. But hardly anyone was deploying 10GBASE-T anywhere anyway. So the technology got stuck with low revenues&#x2F;high prices supporting 100m reach.<p>Broadcom were making $$ from 1GBASET and were slow to develop&#x2F;release 10GBASE-T, they held the market back and encouraged SFP+ since they did sell those chips. Intel&#x2F;Cisco were inclined to wait for BRCM chips. The startups that developed 10GBASE-T (Solarflare initially led, then Teranetics, Aquantia emerged) were not successful quickly. Eventually Aquantia managed to partner with Intel &amp; survived. Both Solarflare&#x27;s PHY technology &amp; Aquantia ended up being acquired by Marvell, Aquantia for significant $$ last year. Teranetics circuitously ended up as part of Broadcom. The rest of Solarflare was acquired by Xilinx.<p>10GBASE-T wasn&#x27;t a good fit for data-centers due to the high power&#x2F;latency. So those customers went direct attach &#x2F; SFP+ &#x2F; optical. Which drove those prices down, and made them more attractive, further delaying 10GBASE-T volumes. Data centers got used to expensive cables, (relatively) cheap&#x2F;simple low-power, low-latency transceivers. 10GBASE-T was a solution looking for a problem.<p>Eventually the 2.5G&#x2F;5G Ethernet for Wifi back-haul opened the copper market up - those technologies reuse almost everything from 10G. Also automotive Ethernet too. Chip&#x2F;power scaling and increasing volumes for Wifi&#x2F; datacenter deployments has eventually driven down the cost to a point where 10GBASE-T is becoming more widespread&#x2F;attractive.<p>The initial sales&#x2F;marketing strategy for 10GBASE-T failed, sadly, and it has taken a long time to recover.
Nextgridover 4 years ago
&gt; 10 Gbps for Wifi 6&#x2F;6e, 10 Gbps for 5g<p>These are theoretical speeds that don&#x27;t include modulation&#x2F;protocol overheads nor interference. When it comes to wireless the rule of thumb is to usually expect a third of the advertised bandwidth.
Spooky23over 4 years ago
Because the cabling is expensive and hard to run for high speed.<p>HDMI max length is 3m, Thunderbolt is longer but requires an expensive active cable for really expensive fiber optic cable.
GekkePrutserover 4 years ago
I think because 1Gbe is still enough. And the price difference to faster options is too high. Even as a power user with many servers and PCs at home I don&#x27;t saturate my gigabit network. Except between my 2 NASes but I run fibre channel point to point there, which is also cheap (because there is zero to none demand for fibre channel cards on the used market)<p>So for now gigabit plus some dedicated faster links where needed is plenty and cheap.
daeminover 4 years ago
Not only is it expensive but the 10GbE devices need actual real active cooling to run, plus they need special adapters and cables as well.<p>It&#x27;s not just a simple cable and plug to connect something with 10Gbps, you need SFP+ then these extra adapters, then the cables.<p>I see that 2.5Gbe and 5Gbe will be the upgrade path for people to go with at home. I&#x27;m certainly going to upgrade to 2.5Gbe in the coming months.
kazinatorover 4 years ago
If you actually <i>achieve</i> 1Gbps, you&#x27;re laughing. That&#x27;s pretty obscenely fast. It means you can download a gigabyte in around ten seconds.
iagovarover 4 years ago
Because it&#x27;s expensive. People don&#x27;t like expensive, specially outside the US and a few EU countries.
throw51319over 4 years ago
Idk who cares? What would people use that speed for? There&#x27;s no usecase brother.