I'm not a serious photographer but I love it enough to shoot enough.<p>I use Apple's iCloud with a 2TB plan as my primary. I back it up with Google One's 2TB family plan where we have a common family photos (wife, and I)and my 11-year old daughter learning to shoot. The Google Photos is more because Apple has no correct implementation of sharing/collaborating between the family members.<p>- Stingle is costlier than Apple or Google's plan.<p>- It does not say anywhere that this is open source and I can host it myself, plugged in with a storage such as AWS S3 or Wasabi or any other cloud that I can backup/store etc.<p>So far, NextCloud[1] seems to be the best bet with PhotoSync[2] keeping a local/cloud backup. I need the ability to share photos with an expansive network of families/relatives on different platforms such as Android, Windows, Mac, Linux.<p>I haven't found any other services and am beginning to believe I have a weird and different needs than most.<p>1. <a href="https://nextcloud.com" rel="nofollow">https://nextcloud.com</a><p>2. <a href="https://www.photosync-app.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.photosync-app.com/</a>
Out of all the 1s and 0s that I want backed up in the cloud for an indefinite period of time, nothing is as irreplaceable as a photo/video that will make me smile 2/5/10/20+ years from now. I'd argue that the threat of "X is shutting down" or worse, "X has shut down" but it landed in my spam 3 months ago is worse than <i>any</i> benefits that a non-FAANG co can offer me. At least with keeping backups on icloud/Gphotos, I know that both co's would kill those services abrubtly as their last dying wish.
This looks great, they have some nice properties. If you're interested in this you'll probably also be interested in Peergos [1][2] (disclaimer: I'm a co-founder), which has stronger privacy properties.<p>Peergos is an E2EE P2P global filesystem built on top of IPFS, and we have a built in photo/video/audio gallery/player (and other apps too). We don't expose the social graph (who is sharing with who) to the server, and we also obscure things like the number of files, number of directories, size of individual files, even whether something is a directory or file. We are also designed to be resistant to exposure by a quantum computer (mainly we don't rely on asymmetric encryption for privacy, only for sharing, and even for sharing we take measures to protect against a future quantum computer). We also don't rely on DNS or the TLS certificate authorities for security (unless you choose to use the web interface to a public server). We do fine-grained server-less access control using a structure called cryptree [3].<p>It's P2P so you can mirror your data as many times as you like or just self-host. It's also 100% open source, both client side and server side.<p>[1] <a href="https://peergos.org" rel="nofollow">https://peergos.org</a><p>[2] <a href="https://github.com/peergos/peergos" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/peergos/peergos</a><p>[3] <a href="https://book.peergos.org/security/cryptree.html" rel="nofollow">https://book.peergos.org/security/cryptree.html</a>
Is there something like this but self-hosted? Data encrypted on the client with a good client for Android (and maybe Linux), simple sharing feature for selected items.<p>Free/Libre Google Photos, basically.
Adding my 2 cents on how I approach storing important family photos:<p>1. Minimize footprint. Keep only the photos that matter; this usually ends up being the ones with you or a loved one in the picture. I spent a weekend consolidating and reduced all my photos for the last 20 years down to 15GB.<p>2. Use 1 consumer-grade service like Google Photos for easy day-to-day access and sharing; just makes life easier for you and your loved ones to access memories on-demand. This can be substituted with any privacy-friendly alternative or young service like Stingle.<p>3. Use 1 business-grade storage solution for an off-site backup. Business-grade is critical b/c it enhances the relationship and SLA the provider gives you. I use AWS S3 Glacier Deep Archive; it's free to upload, cheap to store ($0.00099/GB/month), and a bit pricey to retrieve ($0.09/GB for egress). This is my last-resort/lifeline if everything else goes wrong and I need to get my data again. To save on per-file upload fees, I zip up pictures by album or year and use 7Zip or Keka to encrypt the zip with a password using AES-256 for added privacy. Also remember, AWS is creating at least 3 copies of your data across 3 AZs in one region!<p>4. Keep a copy of the pictures at home on an NAS, hard drive, or better yet your computer if you have the space. I already use Time Machine to auto backup my entire Mac on an external drive so this gives me in total 2 copies of my pictures (one on laptop and one on time machine backup).<p>In total this gives me 6 total copies of my pictures:<p>- 1x Off-site Google Photos<p>- 3x Off-site AWS S3 Glacier Deep Archive<p>- 1x On-site Laptop<p>- 1x On-site Laptop's Time Machine Backup<p>I'm not too concerned if one service provider loses my pics or revokes my access; plenty more copies!<p>Please remember this only works if you religiously follow step 1. This will be an expensive and almost impractical setup if you enjoy holding onto 5TB+ worth of photos.
If you care about backing up your photos (and other media), for an indefinite period of time, the Perkeep (<a href="https://perkeep.org/" rel="nofollow">https://perkeep.org/</a>) (earlier Camlistore) is very relevant.<p>> Perkeep (née Camlistore) is a set of open source formats, protocols, and software for modeling, storing, searching, sharing and synchronizing data in the post-PC era. Data may be files or objects, tweets or 5TB videos, and you can access it via a phone, browser or FUSE filesystem.<p><i>Edit</i> Downvoted? I don't understand. Perkeep contains the same functionality as the post, but much more, is much more mature, and is totally open source (not like the posted software, where the important core, the server, is closed source).
Looks like the server component is not open source? It doesn't look like it would be hard to write an open source backend.<p>I use Dropbox and a second copy backend up to my personal server (via Dropbox cli) for photos. Owning that data is too important for me to use a random service accessable only via a phone app.
Looks nice. I spent ages trying to find a solution that does a nice mix of cross platform, own hard drive, cloud. I eventually found it in the shape of <a href="https://mylio.com/" rel="nofollow">https://mylio.com/</a><p>Along lines of other comments here, none of my other material has even like the same value as my family photos, so I'm stupendously careful with redundancy / multi location backup.<p>In case anyone cares: local HDD attached to Mac, Synology on local network, folder on there synced to Dropbox and finally Synology C2. Too far I know, but it's worth it.<p>Mylio is fast, clever (has a nice P2P model for in-network syncing), doesn't have to hit any cloud service if you don't want it to, good search, great management tools. I rate it highly.
I'm missing a desktop application so I can also browse my pictures from my desktop. Which also has the added benifit that it syncs to local disk which creates an additional backup (plus one more if you include the desktop backup itself).
I am in the market for exactly something like this (aka a cloud based photo gallery.) I currently use Flickr, but they have a mountain of issues and they're also closed source/not encrypted. Unfortunately the pricing does turn me off a bit. For up to 300gb of photos, you'd pay the same as Flickr, but I happen to have slightly north of 300gb and so I'd pay more than double the price of Flickr. And Flickr offers unlimited storage...<p>What I'd really love is something I can self host. OwnPhotos seems super cool, but apparently it's not stable yet. Are there any alternatives that can be run today?
This looks amazing. I'm so grateful for these alternatives popping up.<p>All we need is to have it be interoperable with something like <a href="http://CoBox.cloud" rel="nofollow">http://CoBox.cloud</a> (<i>a distributed, encrypted, offline-enabled data hosting cloud platform</i>) and we can set up our own fully encrypted, NSA-impenetrable/surveillance-less cooperative community servers/'cloud'.<p>In other words, we would benefit from the same economies of scale and low maintance costs that the existing FAANG server farms benefit from, without the invasive privacy transgressions from big corps.
This doesn't look to be effectively end to end encrypted for album sharing. There is no way to verify the identity of the people you are sharing with so the provider can trivially MITM the keys.
Take back control of your photos and videos privacy. Available in Google Play and App Store.<p>It would be easier to believe if F-Droid was also listed.
Shameless plug: I found Stingle to lack a few basic features (multi device sync, memories, location search, effortless sharing etc) and have been building an alternative[1]. If this is a problem you’d like to see solved, please sign up for the beta program, I’d be grateful!<p>[1]: <a href="https://ente.io" rel="nofollow">https://ente.io</a>
Does any one know of a solution like this that also supports face detection and automatic scene/object recognition? That are the killer features that are currently keeping me at Google Photos but I really don't like the privacy implications of using it.
I just do a regular adb pull, sort pictures in folders by date using exif, then review them and add mnemonic suffixes to folders, then backup to local storage and to cloud with encrypted restic. Yes, it is a bit of a hassle, but I feel like I own these photos.
> <i>We are strong proponents of open source software and we believe that trust comes from transparency and openness, that’s why Stingle Photos is an open source software released under GPLv3 license. Everyone is free to review, audit, and contribute to the Stingle Photos codebase. Source code transparency is an absolute requirement for security and privacy oriented software solutions like Stingle Photos.</i><p>Only the client software is Free Software, the server component has not been released, in source or object form.<p>That sort of calls this whole paragraph into question.
I use NAS for my photos since I wouldn't trust any cloud even if the photos are encrypted.<p>As for an organizer, nothing has replaced Picasa and it's a shame Google didn't open source it.
Would this Google Archive storage class be a good place to backup photos/videos to? it costs $1.23 per TB per month!<p><a href="https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/storage-data-transfer/archive-storage-class-for-coldest-data-now-available" rel="nofollow">https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/storage-data-transfer...</a>
I have a Mac and I have Office 365 with its free 1TB storage.<p>My photo library location is on OneDrive and my phone stream is synced to the Mac.<p>My Mac is also backed up to NAS.<p>So my pics are in two different physical locations and one offsite. I guess I should have an external drive that I make regular backups to and then take offsite somewhere as well.
You are in time to add native support for Android TV, there is not even a native Google Photo app for Android TV and this could be a great addition.<p>*Some people would suggest side load it but your app needs to be compatible with remote control and TV layout.
Sadly the mobile app I use (Cryptomator) isn't open source but the encryption system used is, and it allows doing an automatic backup to an encrypted volume that can be synced in the cloud.
I see .org and I assume there’s some element of Libre software at play here in terms of the spirit of what you’ve developed.<p>By that I mean to say that I looked at this and thought “great, an O/S backup solution for a NAS” as opposed to a paid-only service akin to a multitude of others.