I live in Michigan so I have a few thoughts about living there...<p>If you love urban centers than Michigan might not be for you. There is Ann Arbor but it's a college town and not likely what you want.<p>Michigan has over 10,000 lakes. There are lots of parks and open state land. It's not just the tourist places like the dunes (where you can take off road vehicles on sand dunes) or rivers you can canoe on camping trips. Not far from me is a dog run (wouldn't really call it a park) that's over a hundred acres of state land. It's a chunk of a much larger thousands of acres section just meant for dogs. Other areas have horse trails and stuff.<p>There is a lot of opportunity to enjoy the great outdoors.<p>This is also going to mean that you aren't going to have great public transit in these places. The options are limited because it's off the beaten path.
I grew up in MI. I doubt the 15k would go very far. You should instead move to Michigan for the beautiful lakes and rivers, and the low cost of living (which is often much higher on the aforementioned lakes - especially the tourist towns in western MI). As with any place, the most desirable locations, i.e. Ann Arbor, are more expensive.<p>It's also a place where most of the investment, whether corporate, private, or civic is in suburban areas, so at least for people of means, suburban life is very comfortable.<p>A few cities have made comebacks (Detroit to an extent, Grand Rapids) but it's still marginal compared to the wealth of the suburbs. Rural and post-industrial areas can be very bleak.<p>But for anyone imagining it as an escape: it is as complex a place as any other place in the US today.
Reminds me of Tulsa Remote [0] which was discussed here [1] and again with some results [2].<p>0: <a href="https://tulsaremote.com/" rel="nofollow">https://tulsaremote.com/</a><p>1: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463553" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463553</a><p>2: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22458342" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22458342</a>
How big is the set of people that can work remotely from wherever they choose to live and also would value $15k enough for it to play a significant role in that choice?
I grew up in Saint Joseph unbelievably (which is one of the zip codes that qualify).<p>AMA if anyone is interested in this option (now live in California because of beforementioned soul crushing winters and love of mountains).<p>Great option for families primarily. Saint Joseph and Stevensville schools are extremely good (like at least private school in the bay area good). Beach life is great in the summer and the fresh water lakes are great if you are into sort of the fishing sort of outdoors. Houses are cheap with a huge amount of lawn (this can be viewed as a downside too).<p>That said, it is the midwest. You should like watching football and basketball. You should be ok hanging out with Republicans but it is only R leaning, not a crazy MAGA area. There is not a ton of bars and restaurants and church is a major factor in a lot of people's social lives. (But kids soccer games, super bowl parties, etc. are too.)
Honestly, if I'm going to move somewhere for money and work remotely the biggest incentive is zero personal income tax. For that, I'd rather move to Texas (Austin), Washington (Seattle), Florida (Miami), or Nevada (Las Vegas), all of which are also more appealing as city destinations than anything in Michigan.
Michigan is a beautiful state. Lake Michigan beaches are the best of the great lakes.<p>However, transportation between the two cities is terrible. Worst travel experience I've ever had. And I've been to India.<p>I landed in Chicago, and wanted to take the train to Detroit. Had to get to the Train station from the airpot, on time. So was in a hurry.<p>1. Got off the airport, waited in line to buy Metro ticket, on some antiquated machines for buying tickets. Italian couple
in front of me got confused, and gave up. I ended up completing their transaction for a week long metro pass by mistake.<p>2. Get off the metro. Ask for directions to the train stations, get pointed in the wrong direction. Waste 15 minutes.<p>3. Walk back, my flip flops break, need to change shoes. Unpack my luggage in middle street. Walk towards station see a pigeon get hit by a taxi. Walk further, and a sky scrapper is blocked off with police cars, helicopter flying around. Think its some sort of suicide going to on. Keep walking. Later found out they were filming spider man.<p>4. Make it to train station, wait in line to buy tickets. Tickets are sold out. Girl in front of me in the line starts crying, has a break down. No tickets left.<p>5. Decide to walk to greyhound station. Police car outside. Think thats a little unusual. Quickly figure out that this must be a popular way for poor black people to travel between the two cities.
Go in, lines everywhere. Its crowded chaos in there. Go to washroom, smells like urine. Wait in information line. I've never seen anything like it. The guy in the line besides me asks a question from the info guy. Gets in some sort of 30 second argument. The attendant, calls in the cops. And the cops arrest the guy! WTF. My turn to ask a question.
I ask if I can buy a ticket to Detroit. The response "who told you that. You've been bamboozled". I don't don't even know what to make of that. Decide to leave.<p>6. Walk back to the train station. Get told about Magabus. Wait 5 hours. Bus shows up after midnight. Driver is pissed about people having too much luggage. Starts charing people extra for it. Bus is crowded. I end up sitting above the wheel well the whole night. Back hurts the next day.<p>Never again!
I wonder when the governmental hammer is going to come down on remote work. How long until states decide they need to "do something" about companies headquartered there that don't participate in the state economy beyond utility bills. We've already seen how they react when a company dares to feed its employees lunch.
I have worked remotely from Ann Arbor for 7 years. currently work for a large SF based startup. AMA.<p>Michigan is great in a lot of ways, depending on your interests.
Anecdotally, I know several people who would end up making less if they moved, because their company would “adjust” their salary if they move to a different tax regime. And moving when not telling their employer would probably result in a termination of employment. Essentially this would offset a 15k bonus, since the company would probably take that into account when “adjusting”.<p>[edited a word or three]
I live in Chicago and just bought a house in Michigan, so this seemed interesting.<p>A couple things though:
1) it’s not 15000, it’s 5000 a year, if you get Michigan drivers license, move to Michigan permanently, and work for a non Michigan company.
2) it’s only a few zip codes, which, while those town are really nice, are further from Chicago than most people want to drive regularly. We had our limit to an hour, which gets you to New Buffalo/Union Pier, which is not on the list.<p>Overall, 5k a year isn’t worth my time.
I live in downtown Detroit, don't drive, walk, bike, take public transit or Lyft everywhere (but mostly walk). And honestly love it. Feel free to ask me anything
Hrm... no details on if you're self-employed. Grew up in SE Michigan. I visit now and then, but have no major reason to move back. This on its own probably wouldn't be enough, but... having to demonstrate I work for another company vs just being self-employed seems a bit short sighted. Is the goal to get people to move there? Or are they trying to achieve something more?
If states really want to attract high income remote workers, they should construct communities specifically designed for them.<p>I’d like to see a town that isn’t meant to have a lot of commuters. Have lots of public space and encourage social organizations to connect people together.
There is a qualified talent pool in Michigan. U of M graduates can’t wait wait to exit Michigan. Lack of cultural identity and diversity beyond academic hate. Grand Rapids is Struggling with holding black art exhibitions at Rosa Park Circle , please don’t fall for this . Back to Philadelphia I go and yes I have a Masters
Here's the website with the program. The actual article is behind a paywall.<p><a href="https://movetomichigan.org" rel="nofollow">https://movetomichigan.org</a>
I got a little excited when I read this, and then realized I was conflating Michigan with Wyoming. I'll try to explain why briefly:<p>It has been brought up in passing in my friend circles that an influx of lefty techies into wyoming could feasibly tip the election scales. Because it's so dang small, the blue-red delta is around 128k people [1]. In the scope of things, drop in the bucket.<p>Assuming that any significantly sized business will attract infrastructure to match, you'd really only need a couple apple-sized entities (cupertino: ~15,000 employees, ~60k pop total [2][3]) to make that happen. Assuming that there would be some amount of 'bleed' (suburbs et al) you might not even need that.<p>Mind you, I'm not suggesting this as a serious course of action, but it does make for some entertaining showerthought fodder.<p>[1] <a href="https://sos.wyo.gov/Elections/Docs/VRStats/2020/20OctVR_stats.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://sos.wyo.gov/Elections/Docs/VRStats/2020/20OctVR_stat...</a>
[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park</a>
[3] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino,_California" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino,_California</a>
I'm not especially familiar with Michigan. But (because of some of the comments here) I am wondering if the 5 zip codes eligible for this are part of "the crescent":<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23392246" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23392246</a>
Not on your life it was 30,000. Lack of diversity cheap wages no unions lacks culture identity oh wait Michigan Militias. My masters degree will set n the stoop 4th and South st Philadelphia
TL;DR get "$15k" = get 7.5% off the purchase of a $200k house. Obviously the higher the price of the house, the smaller pct off $15k equals to.
Only if you live in Chicago.<p>Still, these incentives for remote workers seem like a good idea; I'm curious how many more there will be.<p>non-paywalled archive if you need it: <a href="https://archive.is/uu2SW" rel="nofollow">https://archive.is/uu2SW</a><p>original source: movetomichigan.com
Also, please ignore the fact that local militias occupied the state legislature, and some were recently arrested by the FBI for a plot to kidnap the governor and overthrow the state government. Come to Michigan!;)<p>Personal disclaimer: I grew up in Michigan from birth to mid teen years (in the Pacific NW now). I still have family that I love back there, but I'd need a salary offer in the top 3% income bracket of the state to consider moving back (and I'd still only rent). Michiganders are just too uptight for my sensibilities as an adult.
Come on, Texas. Roll out the gibs. I was going to move anyway, the least you can do is cover my moving expenses. It's either that or FL, and on paper I like TX more.
This is stupid pay people who are well off enough to move here and buy a house... why not use that money to support not so well off citizens to move up help them grow and contribute to their own economy. This just seems like BS to get rich people to come and push poor people out. Fuck economic developers.
Illinois' Demographic Collapse: Get Out As Soon As You Can<p><a href="https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/illinois-demographic-collapse-get-out-as-soon-as-you-can" rel="nofollow">https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/illinois-demogr...</a><p>Illinois News Network reports "A Southern Illinois University at Carbondale poll from 2015 showed that half of the Illinois residents polled would leave the state if they could. The No. 1 reason: Taxes."