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Apple's M1 processor spotlights Intel's chip challenges

35 pointsby eddieozover 4 years ago

16 comments

tambourine_manover 4 years ago
This reads a lot like Palm’s CEO back in the day:<p>“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20061205211900&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercurynews.com&#x2F;mld&#x2F;mercurynews&#x2F;news&#x2F;columnists&#x2F;16057579.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20061205211900&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercur...</a>
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martin_drapeauover 4 years ago
The M1 is a revolution and upcoming M2, M3 and so forth will be strong evolutions. Apple has a good track record of improving their chips year over year. Look at initial comments of the iPhone by the competition. They were all laughing. A decade later they are not.<p>With full control over the hardware and not relying on Intel for the processor, Apple is aiming to reproduce its iPhone success in PCs. They have everything going for them.<p>The future looks bleak for Intel and AMD. They are stuck evolving a 30 year-old architecture.<p>In fact, this is where Apple shines in terms of long-term strategy and execution. They are able to create a revolution with a new product&#x2F;architecture (iPod, iPhone, iPad and now PC), then iterate to make it evolve over time. In doing so, they create new markets. I really feel like the M1 is an inflection point in the personal computers market.<p>Can&#x27;t wait to see how Qualcomm and Nvidia (with the acquisition of ARM), will respond.
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klelattiover 4 years ago
Not sure that talking about &#x27;innovations that only Intel can do&quot; and then mentioning two things that are not innovations at all and which other companies can in fact do is very reassuring.<p>I suspect that Intel&#x27;s near term prospects are defined by how quickly TSMC can get fabs up and running - not a great place to be.
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ziml77over 4 years ago
Need less talk and more actual innovation. I&#x27;d love to see something around the performance and power efficiency of the M1 without it all needing to be built into a single chip. The M1 definitely gets a lot of benefits from being all packaged together, but it unfortunately leads to fewer options since you can&#x27;t mix-and-match CPU, GPU, and RAM.<p>I&#x27;m hopeful that M1 will drive both AMD and Intel to do better in the mobile space. AMD got a lot of praise for the 4000 series, but it&#x27;s had nearly no availability.
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the-dudeover 4 years ago
Reminds me of Acorn, where Sophie Wilson describes they travel to the US to visit a chip&#x2F;CPU design shop.<p>Their expectations are not met when they find only a couple of guys in a plain office building.<p>They decide they can do it themselves and design the ARM1.
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matthewmacleodover 4 years ago
<i>The future looks bleak for Intel and AMD. They are stuck evolving a 30 year-old architecture.</i><p>This is a bit silly. Neither Intel nor AMD are particularly constrained by the underlying ISA that their chips are using.
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eddieozover 4 years ago
&gt;&gt; Intel said it&#x27;s &quot;relentlessly&quot; focused on building leading chips. &quot;We welcome competition because it makes us better,&quot; Intel said in a statement. &quot;We believe that there is a lot of innovation that only Intel can do,&quot; including supplying chips that span the full price range of PCs and that can run older software still common in businesses.<p>-- IMO, the chip seems to bring some innovations, but nothing too new or disruptive for this market.
doe88over 4 years ago
I think the real advantage of Apple so far is to have the kind of volumes and margins with iphones to be able to have privilegied access to TSMC fabs and processes, and therefore now it will automatically trickle down on Macs and their new SoCs granting them a head start on everybody else, even irrespective of any other kind of possible architectural advantage or design decision.
gnabgibover 4 years ago
Title should be &quot;Apple&#x27;s M1 processor spotlights Intel&#x27;s chip challenges&quot; and while this picked quote is in there, it goes on to list legitimate value (although hardly innovations)
fabiofzeroover 4 years ago
Reminds me of Ballmer&#x27;s comments when the original iPhone was release.
jacknewsover 4 years ago
&quot;Apple and Intel are in the middle of a slow-motion breakup.&quot;<p>I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s pretty decisive at this point.
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akmarinovover 4 years ago
Let&#x27;s see you ship that 5nm in 2023, Intel. At that point TSMC will be doing 3nm.
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2Gkashmiriover 4 years ago
yeah. just like the &quot;revolutionary&quot; innovations done by zen 2 and zen 3 by AMD, which happens to not be intel. the same innovation by intel meant to keep active exploits in the market just because.
estover 4 years ago
&gt; There is a lot of innovation that only Intel can do<p>In other words, innovation which solves x86 problems doesn&#x27;t exist on other architectures.
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asahover 4 years ago
hahaha, &quot;pricing innovation&quot; they mean, or perhaps &quot;marketing innovation&quot;
sicnusover 4 years ago
All of this is useless chatter for most folks that just want a decent gaming platform. Sadly, Intel on Windows is going to be where folks go.
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