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The True Size Of Countries: Mercator projection

556 pointsby pictureover 4 years ago

54 comments

ZeroCool2uover 4 years ago
I still remember the first time I learned about this. I was watching the West Wing (Season 2 Episode 16[1] which explains the problem pretty quickly) for the first time in the early 2010&#x27;s and was absolutely blown away that we&#x27;d never been taught about this in public school (U.S.A.). Having graduated High School and a couple of years through undergrad, and just then realizing that my entire perception of the relative size, and in some cases position(!), of the continents is basically just wrong. It was actually a generally useful thought exercise though, because it really forced me to confront the fact that I need to consistently reflect on whether my previous assumptions on even basic topics hold true.<p>I&#x27;m not sure it would be worthwhile to advocate for changing the default projection at this point due to the logistics, but at least teaching kids about the issue, which can be covered in no more than a few minutes and is obviously not super complex, just so they&#x27;re aware of it seems totally worth it!<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY</a>
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emiliobumacharover 4 years ago
Great project!<p>I&#x27;d just like to mention an obsolete advantage of the Mercator projection, which I assume played a large role in its spread.<p>Back before radio, GPS, and accurate clocks, navigation in cloudy days was really, really hard.<p>Mercator allowed you to draw a line in your map between origin and destination, and its angle with the North in the map would match the physical angle you&#x27;d need to keep, with a compass, to go from origin to destination.<p>It would not give the straightest possible path, but away from the poles it was close enough.
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michalcover 4 years ago
A few years ago I made<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;projections.charemza.name&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;projections.charemza.name&#x2F;</a><p>... click and drag a Mercator map to rotate the world &quot;before&quot; the Mercator projection is applied, to see a whole range of &quot;equivalent&quot; projections. None of them look like the world to me, but they&#x27;re just as valid.
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metafunctorover 4 years ago
In this day of ubiquitous 3D acceleration, I think any digital map that lets you zoom out more than a hundred miles or so should be an accurate 3D projection.<p>Students should be primarily shown a globe. A physical one, if possible!<p>In fact, paper maps in study books showing a large part of the world should also be accurate 3D projections.
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ChrisMarshallNYover 4 years ago
It&#x27;s neat, but it breaks the back button, something fierce.
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mabboover 4 years ago
If you put Canada so that Victoria, BC is in Portugal then Newfoundland is in Iran. Most Finland is covered. Ottawa is roughly in Egypt.<p>Canada is actually really huge, is what I&#x27;m saying here.
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noodlenotesover 4 years ago
What really surprised me is that the US is three times the size of India! (2.5x not counting Alaska.) I guess I&#x27;m used to hearing that the US isn&#x27;t actually as big as we like to think so I over-compensated in the other direction.
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anonuover 4 years ago
It might have been the Governor of Colorado who said if you laid a drape down over the state - and let it cover the mountains and valleys - and then stretched it out, it would be bigger than the state of Texas.[1]<p>So it got me thinking for a while what the &quot;true size&quot; of a country is if you were to stretch it out. A mountainous country or region would technically have a larger surface area.<p>I started thinking a bit about how you would go about calculating that. You would need some sort of topographical map and then run a bunch of surface area calculations (approximations) between topography lines. Sounds like a fun project but I never got around to look into it much..<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;02&#x2F;615975703&#x2F;not-my-job-colorado-gov-john-hickenlooper-gets-quizzed-on-2020" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;02&#x2F;615975703&#x2F;not-my-job-colorado...</a>
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fishtoasterover 4 years ago
A fun surprise for me was to take any small-ish country near the equator - eg colombia or the Dem. Rep. Congo - and drag it up to northern Europe. Turns out that many of them are bigger than the entirety of Scandinavia.
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rdsubhasover 4 years ago
Holy crap Iceland is teeny tiny. More than 2.5 times smaller than Gabon.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetruesize.com&#x2F;#?borders=1~!MTQ2ODE4OTY.MzI1NDkxOA*MzE5OTU2OTc(NjY4MzE5Nw~!IS*NzcwNzM4Mw.MzI3MjUxNDM)Nw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetruesize.com&#x2F;#?borders=1~!MTQ2ODE4OTY.MzI1NDkxOA*...</a>
forintiover 4 years ago
Put Chile over Europe and it goes from the northenmost tip of Norway all the way down to Libya and Egypt.
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eyelidlessnessover 4 years ago
Requisite West Wing scene[1] on the subject (which is probably always going to be my top YouTube search because it’s fantastic).<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;vVX-PrBRtTY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;vVX-PrBRtTY</a>
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Demiurgeover 4 years ago
The good thing is that Google Maps has switched to a 3D globe view when zooming out. Now even zooming to the latitude extremes, you get a good projection. Thanks to vector tiles :)
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strstrover 4 years ago
I added in some missing pieces [1]. There are probably others.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetruesize.com&#x2F;#?borders=1~!MTI3MTAzMDM.NDg4OTk2MQ*MzAxMTgxMzM(MTMzOTI1NDc~!CONTIGUOUS_US*MTAxOTUzNjU.MjU1MzY4MTk(MTc1)MA~!IN*NTM3ODEwMg.NzMzNTExOQ)MQ~!CN*MTAzNjg2NTY.Njg2NTM4OQ(MjI1)Mg~!US-AK*OTg2MTA1Ng.MjAwMTA0MTc(MTk4)Ng~!US-HI*MTUwNjQ3ODQ.MTg5MjE1ODg)OA~!PR*ODgzNTIxNQ.MjQ4NDI5NDk)OQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetruesize.com&#x2F;#?borders=1~!MTI3MTAzMDM.NDg4OTk2MQ*...</a>
omgwtfbyobbqover 4 years ago
I almost hit 40 before hearing about the Mercator projection. My wife flew to Zambia for some charity work, and mentioned how long her flight from Ethiopia to Zimbabwe was. I was confused because I thought the distance between the two was about the same as the distance between the US east and west coast, and she pointed out that Africa is actually huge.
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cousin_itover 4 years ago
The same idea can be conveyed in one image with no interactivity: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.pinimg.com&#x2F;originals&#x2F;12&#x2F;74&#x2F;5e&#x2F;12745ea9bb8bdf3892141023e30a98a6.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.pinimg.com&#x2F;originals&#x2F;12&#x2F;74&#x2F;5e&#x2F;12745ea9bb8bdf389214...</a>
amanziover 4 years ago
It&#x27;s fun to drag Antarctica around to see the true size of it. Slightly bigger than China but not by too much.
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kristopolousover 4 years ago
One people probably don&#x27;t know about:<p>Indonesia is about as wide as or wider than North America at any point
xaduhaover 4 years ago
No point using flat projections on the web, push for more interactive globes!
CodesInChaosover 4 years ago
Is Mercator projection really that popular? I think I&#x27;ve mostly seen the Equirectangular projection and the Robinson projection (or a similar one).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Equirectangular_projection" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Equirectangular_projection</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robinson_projection" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robinson_projection</a>
the_only_lawover 4 years ago
I knew Alaska was big, but holy crap! If you move the continental US from the southern most Alaska Islands to the top, it stretches nearly the entire east coast.
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cafardover 4 years ago
There is a line in Kingsley Amis&#x27;s <i>The Old Devils</i> running something like &quot;More and more, Alun&#x27;s life was coming to consist of being told what he knew, at dictation speed.&quot; A book on maps that I got in elementary school laid this all out clearly. Every few years since about 1980, someone announces it as amazing news.
rajnathaniover 4 years ago
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20898538" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20898538</a>
nickikover 4 years ago
I have a huge terrain based map on my wall. I took me a while to find a place I could a map of that size and in that kind of format.<p>Unfortunately I had to make it Mercator, even if I don&#x27;t really like that so much.<p>If anybody know a place (Europe) where I can order high quality terrain maps, if possible where I can select the region and have lots of options, that would be nice.
dugmartinover 4 years ago
It&#x27;s fun comparing Luxembourg. It is roughly the same size as the Pioneer Valley in Western Massachusetts where I live:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetruesize.com&#x2F;#?borders=1~!MTMzMzUzODU.MTMxMDk2NjQ*MTA5NzU0ODk(MTA1MDYzNzM~!LU*NTg0OTM2Ng.MTE0MTQ3MTU)Nw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetruesize.com&#x2F;#?borders=1~!MTMzMzUzODU.MTMxMDk2NjQ...</a>
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Exmoorover 4 years ago
Cool tool. I must say that I didn&#x27;t expect to be surprised by anything here, and initially I wasn&#x27;t. Yea, Africa is huge, I know. But then I grabbed the average size American state I live in south Central America for no particular reason and I was really shocked at how much larger some of those countries were than I expected.
Reason077over 4 years ago
Not so high and mighty now, are you Greenland!
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psanfordover 4 years ago
The Map Men covered a number of different map projections last year: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jtBV3GgQLg8&amp;list=PLfxy4_sBQdxy3A2lvl-y3qWTeJEbC_QCp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jtBV3GgQLg8&amp;list=PLfxy4_sBQd...</a>
grecyover 4 years ago
I spent three years driving 54,000 miles around Africa. [1]<p>At 30 million square km, it&#x27;s more than 3 times bigger than the US (which is 9.8 million square km including Alaska)<p>This gives a brilliant visualization of how enormous it truly is. All of the US, China, India and a good bit of Europe fit inside it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.visualcapitalist.com&#x2F;map-true-size-of-africa&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.visualcapitalist.com&#x2F;map-true-size-of-africa&#x2F;</a><p>[1] youtube.com&#x2F;theroadchoseme
throwmemoneyover 4 years ago
So the old saying that Japan could fit inside California is wrong?!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laweekly.com&#x2F;these-countries-could-fit-inside-california-map&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laweekly.com&#x2F;these-countries-could-fit-inside-ca...</a>
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nazgulnarsilover 4 years ago
1. Russia is big but not quite as big as I thought<p>2. China is bigger than I thought<p>3. India is even smaller than I thought
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HeavyStormover 4 years ago
OMG everything you do on the site creates an entry in the browser history...
peterfieldover 4 years ago
Would be worth limiting the latitude scale to physically-real values LOL <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;EmYKxVL.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;EmYKxVL.png</a>
Ansil849over 4 years ago
I honestly cannot come up with any other explanation for why this is not taught in schools other than due to propaganda for Western powers.
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eutropiaover 4 years ago
This spams your browser history something fierce. Can that be optional?
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abanayevover 4 years ago
Very cool, but flooding the browser history can be avoided - I don’t imagine deep-linking would be very common.
galaxyLogicover 4 years ago
According to this Antarctica seems to be the biggest of them all? Or at least much bigger than say USA
guidedlightover 4 years ago
Australia is really interesting. It’s about the same size as the USA or the entirety of Europe.
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rriepeover 4 years ago
Nice app. I wouldn&#x27;t mind seeing continents and celestial bodies as options.
cm2012over 4 years ago
Wow South America is so much bigger than expected. Brazil is as big as the USA.
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lawrenceyanover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised by how small Russia is and how large Africa seems to be.
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maze-leover 4 years ago
Whatever projection you choose, Russia will always be incredible huge.
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minusSevenover 4 years ago
Add the ability to turn countries please. Otherwise its brilliant.
swrobelover 4 years ago
Anybody found contact info? I think I found a bug...
vmceptionover 4 years ago
Iceland is both smaller and bigger than I thought.
leovailatiover 4 years ago
I wish there was a way to move Antarctica around.
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wraptileover 4 years ago
Another point that is often overlooked is that geographical _flat_ size is misleading and often irrelevant.<p>The distance&#x2F;area of 1000 kilometers gives you very little information without topographical&#x2F;logistical context. i.e. knowing that it takes a 5 hour long drive between point A and point B or that area C has 2 million people living in it and has big undeveloped forest density is much more relevant than saying it&#x27;s 200 kilometers apart or it&#x27;s 100 kilometers m2 big.<p>TL;DR: landmass alone is very uninteresting and misleading.
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fctorialover 4 years ago
Hangs when zooming into vatican
cambalacheover 4 years ago
&quot;True Size&quot;<p>Try Greenland there.
occamschainsawover 4 years ago
Obligatory xkcd: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;977&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;977&#x2F;</a>
AtOmXpLuSover 4 years ago
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Blake_Emigroover 4 years ago
Um, comparing two or more countries only works properly if they&#x27;re all dragged to be centered on the equator.
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oldgradstudentover 4 years ago
Don&#x27;t people have globes at school these days?<p>Oh, and get off my lawn.
usr1106over 4 years ago
Technically nice, but could be called a violation of the principle of least surprise that countries change in size as you drag.<p>Why not <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gall%E2%80%93Peters_projection" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gall%E2%80%93Peters_projection</a> ?
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