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Ad block and you don't stop

103 pointsby cjlmover 4 years ago

17 comments

Freak_NLover 4 years ago
My hypothesis is that on major platforms such as Facebook and Twitter, tech-savvy users with a solid ad-blocker (like UBlock Origin) contribute valuable content and provide valuable interaction with the bulk of the users without. We are a vocal group who on the whole have a decent understanding of the mechanisms used to influence people, and if we didn&#x27;t have ad-blockers, we would complain loudly, entertain alternatives, or try to subvert the comfortable business model that is targetted advertising. We&#x27;d raise awkward questions, constantly.<p>As the author points out, to our eyes the internet is unusable without an ad-blocker. With an ad-blocker, it is somewhat OK, and with it we grudgingly accept the status quo. This is fine as far as those platforms are concerned. The working ad-blocker is our pacifier.<p>We are being tolerated.
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sacks2kover 4 years ago
This is a simplistic view of our current Internet.<p>Google owns all of the spam filters used by 99.9% of all email providers. If they don&#x27;t like your content, the majority of your intended audience will never see it. This isn&#x27;t including search traffic. They regularly censor news organizations without telling them.<p>Recently, Mailchimp announced that they will block any content they deem unacceptable. They get to decide what your recipients will see.<p>Payment providers like Paypal and sites like Kickstarter also regularly ban people they deem &#x27;unacceptable&#x27;.<p>The phone company isn&#x27;t allowed to block you because you said something politically incorrect to my friends and tech companies should be no different.<p>The tech community isn&#x27;t protesting this right now because their perceived enemies are being blocked and censored en masse.<p>Don&#x27;t be shocked one day when you are censored and blocked and people like me just don&#x27;t give a shit anymore
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bambaxover 4 years ago
&gt; <i>Using the internet without adblockers is intolerable.</i><p>Yes it is. I remember conversations here on HN years ago where some would argue that people in fact <i>loved ads</i>.<p>Now it seems this line of argument is gone for good. Everybody agrees ads are horrible.<p>The only question that remains is, are they indispensable? I think not. We&#x27;ll see.
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dzongaover 4 years ago
there&#x27;s this false notion that users hate ads. that&#x27;s why they use ad-blockers. people hate intrusive ads. I do. I don&#x27;t like auto-playing video. dynamically loaded ads. don&#x27;t like ads that track me. brand ads i.e banner ads, that&#x27;re just a simple picture are acceptable to me - like the ones we used to have in paper newspapers. creatives worked on those. now it&#x27;s just random shit.
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romanovcodeover 4 years ago
Real ads are now different, they are masked as regular content published by regular users.
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estebankover 4 years ago
&gt; (I love that around 3:19, where the narrator says they’re in for a “tough battle”, you can clearly see all of them playing Wolfenstein.)<p>It was Duke Nukem 3D.<p>:)
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unnouinceputover 4 years ago
Quote: &quot;Something I worry about a lot is that I don’t understand how the internet works. And by that, I mean the entire web, the whole shebang, from when I press “Send Newsletter”, to how Normcore makes it way up and through WiFi and then thick cables somewhere in the darkness of the Atlantic, through seas of malware, bypassing the dark web, and finally finds its way to your inbox, all of it. &quot;<p>Well, this implies that dark web and the sea of malware are some dragon land in the middle that needs to be quietly trespassed to reach the other safety. But the better analogy is more like current pandemic where people navigate elbow to elbow and some of them have COVID-19, regardless of the physical location. Trust me, your packets can be next to some malware&#x2F;dark web packets right after they left your router and are still traveling inside your building, even before reaching your ISP gateway.
loosescrewsover 4 years ago
This post discusses the history of ad blocking, but doesn&#x27;t mention my favorite from the era, Proxomitron. Anyone else remember it?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Proxomitron" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Proxomitron</a>
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Jeddover 4 years ago
&gt; People told us if you put ads online, the internet would throw up on us. I thought the opposition was ridiculous. There is hardly an area of human activity that isn’t commercial. Why should the internet be the exception?<p>One can never be 100% confident of the accuracy of quotes from decades past, but it&#x27;s interesting to note the conflation of advertising and commerce here -- perhaps even more so if it&#x27;s a contemporary reminiscence.<p>At the time Wired produced physical magazines (albeit with advertisements within) so the idea of people paying them for thoughtful <i>content</i> was not alien.
bzb6over 4 years ago
&gt; Who will win, a multibillion dollar industry or a couple of txt files?<p>I don’t want to read the whole thing because I don’t care too much, so I may be a little bit off topic here, but afaik nobody has managed to block Facebook’s sponsored posts with these lists.
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AntiImperialistover 4 years ago
I see ads all the time, in-app, which is where they have moved. Is there an easy way to block them too? I guess not because they securely get delivered right into the app along with rest of the content.
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anotherevanover 4 years ago
They are not ad-blockers, they are HTML firewalls.
rcarmoover 4 years ago
The Kafka bit was totally on-point.
mrlagmerover 4 years ago
I wonder how many people would be well paid and working in tech if we did not have ads. Without ads, most of the big tech company would not exist and you would not be so highly paid.<p>So not sure I understand the hate ads get. I like having a job and getting paid.
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sMarsIntruderover 4 years ago
Oh, did I read &quot;blocklists&quot;?
1vuio0pswjnm7over 4 years ago
&quot;Who will win, a multibillion dollar industry or a couple of txt files?&quot;<p>The textfiles! [1]<p>&quot;Howard said his gripe is not with advertising per se, but with the time it takes to view a page with advertising. &quot;It can take 4 to 6 seconds to download each ad, and if you are on the Web a lot, that really gets annoying,&quot; he said. &quot;If the advertisers want to pay for a high-speed Net connection to my house, then I would take the ads, but right now it is costing me money to look at their ads.&quot;&quot;<p>This is reason #1.<p>As a user, I chose minimalism. I prefer a UNIX-like research OS instead of a corporate branded one from a FAANG company. I prefer text-based software and the VGA console. I rely heavily on programs other than web browsers for making HTTP requests. Sometimes I forget why I became a software minimalist. When I started using the internet in the early 90&#x27;s, there were time limits; I had to use the time as cost efficiently as possible. Thus the answer is speed, cost and reliability.<p>Through this choice of minimalism I am able to avoid, to a noticeable extent, others usurping as much of my resources as they can get away with. I am able to minimise having to allocate computer resources and bandwidth to subsidise the &quot;multibillion dollar industry&quot; of serving internet ads. I can use the internet on slow connections and it is still reliable.<p>IMO, when users debate the merits of internet ads, we are in fact debating the merits of allowing this &quot;multibillion dollar industry&quot; to use our self-financed resources; the computers we bought, and the bills we pay to keep them powered on and connected to the internet.<p>&quot;Now, whenever you load a website, scroll on social media, or hit Enter on a Google search, hundreds or thousands of companies compete in a cascade of auctions to show you their ad. The process, known as &quot;programmatic&quot; advertising, occurs in milliseconds, tens of billions of times each day. Only automated software can manage it.&quot;<p>This is reason #2.<p>As above, when users debate whether internet ads are acceptable, IMO we are debating whether to let others use some of our computer resources and bandwidth. Specifically, we are debating whether to subsidise the operation of the &quot;multibillion dollar industry&quot; of internet ads.<p>In addition, arguably we are debating whether it is acceptable for others to add milliseconds of delay to the fulfillment of our HTTP requests while ad selections are made in real-time -- for the purpose of supporting a &quot;multibillion dollar&quot; industry.<p>Users self-finance their internet use. However the &quot;multibillion dollar&quot; internet ads business and those companies who rely on internet ads-related revenue for survival are not self-financing. They rely on the contribution of user resources.<p>I have not seen much debate on the question of internet ads framed as a debate over donation of user resources nor user consent to millisecond delays. However, for me, these comprise 100% of the reasons I cannot tolerate internet ads. This is why I use a text-only browser to read things posted to HN.<p>I enjoyed this article and the historical perspective it offers. I think that Privoxy and other similar projects not focused on a single application deserve mention when recounting the history of combating the attempted advertising-driven commercialisation of the internet.<p>1. However I am not sure that the &quot;block&quot; list model is scalable if ad tech keeps growing -- I think we may see some antitrust regulation that could result in an even greater number of ad servers on the internet. Personally I use an &quot;allow&quot; list approach since I do not need to worry about images nor JavaScript.
erulabsover 4 years ago
Fairly sure the point about not understanding how a car works when you turn the key is meant to represent increasingly complex systems - and for sure knowing “every single bit” is a tall order... but that expression (using a car engine as an example of an unknowably complex system) always struck me as odd: is the author unaware of how internal combustion works?<p>With the clear intelligence of the writing one has to guess that getting a cursory knowledge of how a gasoline motor, clutch, transmission and differential works would take far less time than this article took to write!<p>Maybe I’m being pedantic here but if you can make sense of Kafka - turning a car key shouldn’t be much of a mystery!
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