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TSMC: SoIC

135 pointsby blopeurover 4 years ago

9 comments

machinelaboover 4 years ago
M1 chip has a bog standard Package-on-Package architecture - there is nothing special about it. The CoWoS and other 3D packaging technologies from TSMC&#x27;s marketing pages aren&#x27;t on the M1 chip. I believe there isn&#x27;t even a silicon interposer due to cost presumably [1]. It is substrate on top of substrate (PoP) to connect the memory and CPU. CPU+GPU are on the same die which is pretty remarkable (Intel&#x27;s IGPUs have been on the same die as well albeit they&#x27;re not as powerful as M1s graphics) but that&#x27;s somewhat unrelated to the packaging.<p>Here is a good diagram (sans the silicon interposer): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;figure&#x2F;3D-stacked-DRAM-example-High-Bandwidth-Memory-consists-of-stacked-memory-layers-four_fig5_320867388" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.researchgate.net&#x2F;figure&#x2F;3D-stacked-DRAM-example-...</a><p>Btw, memory has been stacked like that for a decade or more. Used to be stacked + wirebonded. But now, we have through-silicon vias (TSVs). The reason you can stack memory like that are many, one of them being thermals &#x2F; power density.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=t6KUnC-oU5g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=t6KUnC-oU5g</a>
blopeurover 4 years ago
Whats, Whys and Hows of TXMS-SoIC : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;3dfabric.tsmc.com&#x2F;english&#x2F;dedicatedFoundry&#x2F;technology&#x2F;SoIC_inDepth.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;3dfabric.tsmc.com&#x2F;english&#x2F;dedicatedFoundry&#x2F;technolog...</a><p>Papers :<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ieeexplore.ieee.org&#x2F;document&#x2F;8811194" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ieeexplore.ieee.org&#x2F;document&#x2F;8811194</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ieeexplore.ieee.org&#x2F;document&#x2F;8776486" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ieeexplore.ieee.org&#x2F;document&#x2F;8776486</a>
ajninover 4 years ago
Too bad they chose a name already taken by another very well established IC packaging technology : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Small_outline_integrated_circuit" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Small_outline_integrated_circu...</a>
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skohanover 4 years ago
Is there a risk in one manufacturer seemingly getting so far ahead in terms of being able to deliver high-performance processors?
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imbusy111over 4 years ago
I assume keeping the parts cool becomes a big issue. You get twice the amount of heat to dissipate within the same area. Or is there some workaround?
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intricatedetailover 4 years ago
It is like national security matter and relatively inexpensive when talking about nation&#x27;s budget scale. Why countries don&#x27;t make their own chips? Should this be in the realm of public companies just like healthcare or energy in some countries?
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ajarmstover 4 years ago
Whoa! Blew through my marketing gibberish budget less than one paragraph in.
The_rationalistover 4 years ago
Could this be used for the next generation of HBM?
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naringasover 4 years ago
I wish all this technology were more accesible. but they gotta protect their trade secrets (I guess...).<p>I&#x27;ve heard about something called &#x27;dycryl process&#x27; (in chip photolitography) but it is not the kind of info that it&#x27;s easily found, nor easily understood even if I could google for it.
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