This comment will probably be downvoted but this is the only relevant place I feel I can talk about this without being doxxed or persecuted. As a Googler, im honestly happy to see people like her gone. I remember quite clearly what her ideological tribe does to anyone that disagrees with them. At least one of the their targets can't show who they work for in LinkedIn years after they were fired.<p>You will only get mainstream publications talk about the people that support her and the PR machine at google. You wont get to read people that dislike the environment she and her tribe create.<p>Thanks for reading.
Threatening to resign if conditions aren't met after previously publicly slandering your colleagues on Twitter is a resignation. What company would not be forced (essentially at gunpoint) to accept the resignation immediately?<p>You cannot make those kinds of threats if you aren't prepared to follow through.
I don't perceive Google as a ethical company and this has been explicit to me for years now.
That said that's not really a problem or uncommon. Why would companies want to be ethical? The only worry is what affects their bottom line, and for that you only need to appear ethical.<p>I don't understand why people are so naive to think they can get millions of dollars from their employer and do whatever they want.<p>All great ethics leaders (i mean Ghandi, Mandela, etc) had their life severely impacted b y their choices and they were not sitting on the fattest payroll on the planet.
And that was the easy part: the reason why they are great is that they still managed to deliver their message to the world, despite their limited resources and harsh conditions .<p>I hope Dr. Gebru can rise to that level. We definitely need more ethical leadership.
I have made it a personal policy that, whenever someone gives me an ultimatum of ending a relationship, I will unhesitatingly take them up on it. Use of the very existence of the relationship as leverage to get what you want is manipulative, craven, and sociopathic. Only toxic people do that.
I don’t understand this article’s claim that she was fired. It seems to agree that Gebru resigned and then complains about her being fired.<p>> “Dr. Gebru’s dismissal has been framed as a resignation, but in Dr. Gebru’s own words, she did not resign,” the letter says. It notes that Gebru asked for certain conditions to be met in order for her to stay at Google, including transparency around who wanted her paper retracted. Ultimately, the leaders of the ethical AI team said they could not meet these conditions and preemptively accepted her resignation. Her own manager said he was “stunned.”<p>Saying “I quit unless you do these things” and then the company saying “We won’t do those things” is very different from firing someone.<p>I can’t find a list of her demands, but it seems to me that making any ultimatums to a company is usually a bad idea. Being upset when my ultimatum isn’t met seems irrational.