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Heavy is the Head that wears the AirPods Max

328 pointsby ch_smover 4 years ago

59 comments

cloogshicerover 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand how anyone could buy these, when the battery is not user-replaceable and they don&#x27;t work passively without power. After ~5 years max, these will be unusable.<p>I purchased the regular AirPods and this point was reached even sooner, after ~2 years of heavy usage they don&#x27;t work longer than 15 minutes.<p>With almost all other wireless over-ear headphones you can at least keep using them passively with a headphone jack when the battery inevitably degrades. Some even have user-replaceable batteries. I have been using old AKG headphones for &gt; 15 years.<p>Yet another throw-away product from a self-proclaimed environmentally friendly company.
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emmanueloga_over 4 years ago
&gt; I’m tempted to preface everything with “Look, I’m not an audiophile…”, but screw that. I’m not an audio expert, but I do know what I like, and I love the way these headphones sound. They make music sound rich and make movies sound very real.<p>It is almost impossible to wear a $550 device on your ears and not become immediately biased about how &quot;real&quot; the sounds are.<p>The better way would be with a double blind test. Would require some sort of device to conceal both the brand <i>and</i> the weight of the damn thing hah.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if the headphones end up being in line with the rest of the existing offer from other brands.
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kevincoxover 4 years ago
I am somewhat disappointed that we associate weight with quality. I assume this came from early plastics that were brittle and started to replace metal parts. But the science of plastics have come so far, we have plastics that are incredibly durable while still being lightweight. However many manufacturers are sticking to metal and glass for that &quot;premium look and feed&quot; even if it is heavier and less durable.<p>Another issue might be the variety of plastic qualities that are hard to tell apart from a quick impression. Something that our launch followed by rush to quick reviews society can&#x27;t adequately test. Glass and especially metals tend to have more predictable durability profiles.<p>I think the main problem that we haven&#x27;t solved in plastics is hardness, so glass screens are here to stay, but I wish we could move away from this plastic == low quality perception. I think it would result in better products at then end of the day.
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outworlderover 4 years ago
&gt; In some ways, AirPods Max feel quite a bit like a premium Aeron-style modern desk chair — the mesh canopy atop the headband, the telescoping steel stems, the general sturdiness.<p>In some ways, possibly.<p>Here&#x27;s what&#x27;s nice about Aeron chairs: they last essentially forever. I got a second hand one for cheap. It&#x27;s easily a decade old, possibly more, judging by the armrest mechanism (which had a redesign, mine is old). Using it every day for two years, on top of what it already had. Still looks brand spanking new.<p>In case something breaks, I can easily replace any component. There is a healthy replacement parts market. In fact, the person that sold it to me was essentially living off &quot;flipping&quot; Aerons - they would get them wholesale from companies, and then refurbish them.<p>If you are buying them new, they are covered by a 12 YEAR WARRANTY. Parts and labor.<p>The AirPods price would be totally justified if they were even remotely like this. Make the battery user-replaceable (even better if they are swappable, for more run-time) and provide user-replaceable parts, plus a healthy warranty, and this could be potentially the Aeron of the headset world.<p>It isn&#x27;t, though. The battery is the most egregious issue. Sure, we can understand why Airpods don&#x27;t have replaceable batteries. Not that it&#x27;s impossible, but at least it&#x27;s understandable - they are tiny. It&#x27;s also possible to understand why Macbook batteries are not easily replaceable - they occupy most of the internal space and are rather fragile.<p>I don&#x27;t know what Apple&#x27;s excuse is, this time.
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mrkwseover 4 years ago
&gt; Every other pair of over-the-ear headphones I’ve ever used feel a bit cheap in comparison<p>This has always surprised my as someone who&#x27;s owned a couple of pairs of B&amp;W P-series headphones (P5 then PX). Portable headphones should be built to last, not just flimsy plastic. B&amp;W got it right with metal construction (and with the newest PX models forged carbon fibre), no surprises Apple is building robust headphones too.<p>What B&amp;W provide though, is a really solid benchmark (of many) (with the exception of spatial audio - which from Gruber sounds like it still has some shortcomings to overcome). They&#x27;re £200 cheaper, really substantial and solid construction (with a proper hard carrying case - although similar limited folding), the newest carbon models will be noticeably lighter (if still a substantial 310g).<p>Obviously the Sony XM4s and Bose 700s are well in view too (although plastic construction can make them seem a less premium alternative).<p>I expect these will sell relatively well, but I can&#x27;t see them flying off the shelves like their in-ear namesakes in such a crowded and competitive market, even with Apple&#x27;s software bonuses.
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oramitover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised he didn&#x27;t mention anything about bluetooth pairing and general ease of use. I have a Sony MDR-100 which is a great middle of the road (price&#x2F;quality) wireless headset. The biggest gripe I have with it is pairing&#x2F;connecting to my web of devices and music quality. This is one area that Apple routinely gets right. Bluetooth just works better on Apple devices. I can connect the headset to my windows laptop, play some music, and it will come through muddled. I then switch over to my Macbook Pro and the same music will come through noticeably better. I&#x27;m not sure if the Apple Bluetooth drivers are just that much better or if the built in Windows ones are that much worse?
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coroboover 4 years ago
Oof they&#x27;re not water resistant? But they&#x27;re headphones.. on your head.. outside!<p>I missed that one. I&#x27;ll revisit them when they release the S&#x2F;Pro&#x2F;Max version.<p>Just saved future me a cool 500 quid, cheers John!
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dougmwneover 4 years ago
I have a pair of Parrot Zik Noise Canceling Bluetooth headphones. At 326g they are undeniably and uncomfortably heavy. It&#x27;s not about the headband or earcups, it&#x27;s the mass it gives your head when turning, leaning, moving. I don&#x27;t use them because of the weight. At 384g, the Airpod max is about 15% heavier. I currently have a pulled neck as a result of too many hours sitting at my desk. I cannot fathom wearing such a heavy headphone for long stretches. It would be injurious. That Apple would release such a heavy headphone for mass consumption is truly bonkers to me, much crazier than the price.
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rexfover 4 years ago
What a bunch of bad takes.<p>He complains it&#x27;s too heavy, but then puts down other, lighter products made out of plastic.<p>He also puts down using it wired, even though it seems like a product to use at your desk (since it&#x27;s heavy and doesn&#x27;t have water resistance). Keep in mind, an audio cable is not included in the box, so maybe Apple is sending a signal to use it wirelessly.<p>Also, he doesn&#x27;t think this device needs an off switch. This means you get to carry around the case just to put your device in standby. The case is an elaborate off button since it doesn&#x27;t offer much protection.
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jedimastertover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m going to point something out that MKBHD mentioned in his first impressions I don&#x27;t see anyone talking about: the &quot;smart case&quot; is <i>the only way to turn the headphones off</i> If you walk away from your desk or whatever without putting them into the case, they&#x27;ll die after a few hours. There&#x27;s no of button, they don&#x27;t turn off when you disconnect from bluetooth, they don&#x27;t turn off after a certain amount of inactivity.<p>This&#x27;d be an instant killer for me.
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ogre_codesover 4 years ago
So my takeaway from this article is more or less these are expensive, heavy, great quality, and have great sound. We already know Apple&#x27;s noise cancellation and transparency mode are pretty damned good from the AirPods Pro.<p>If these were about $200 less, I&#x27;d probably have pulled the trigger on these already. At $550, it&#x27;s a pretty tough pill to swallow when fundamentally there are some damned good ANC headphones for quite a bit less.<p>For the moment anyhow, I don&#x27;t watch TV on my iPad or phone enough for spatial audio to matter. So the only big features which make it stand above much more affordable competitors is: transparency mode, easy source switching, and overall niceness. Worth $200?? I kind of think no. Maybe I&#x27;ll revisit this when more reviews are in and the wait time is less than 3 months to order them.<p>Edit: Gruber also mentioned this, but worth noting. They would be a lot more appealing if the Apple TV supported spatial audio.
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crazygringoover 4 years ago
&gt; <i>But: spatial audio only works (for now at least) when the video source is an iPhone or iPad. The AirPods (Pro or Max) know when your head is moving, but the source device needs to be location-aware too... it’s natural to want to use AirPods Max to watch a movie with the full spatial audio experience, as loud as you want, on the biggest screen in your house... But you can’t. You can only get this big room-sized audio experience with the small visual experience of an iPad or iPhone screen.</i><p>Even with the AirPods Pro, I&#x27;m so baffled by this.<p><i>Why</i> does the source device need to be location-aware?<p>Wouldn&#x27;t it be enough to just orient the spatial audio to something like your &quot;median&quot; head orientation? Obviously, the vast majority of the time you&#x27;re watching something, you&#x27;re looking at the screen.<p>Or for something fixed (like a TV), just click a button during setup while wearing your headphones saying &quot;I&#x27;m looking directly at the center of the screen now.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m curious what I might be missing that makes it so critical for the source device to have an accelerometer and gyroscope.<p>(As a side note, I guess I also don&#x27;t actually understand how your AirPods know how to orient themselves towards the direction of your device in the first place -- I don&#x27;t believe they have an internal compass component.)
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kkapelonover 4 years ago
&gt;Once you get used to noise-canceling headphones on an airplane, there’s no going back<p>I tend to disagree. Most people underestimate good passive isolation and have never tried good closed back headphones.<p>Just spend $99 on Sennheiser HD280PRO, try them on a flight trip and make your own decision.
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chrisfinazzoover 4 years ago
&gt; “Oh, that’s a nice button. It has a good click.”<p>&gt; “Is it a $550 click?” I asked.<p>&gt; He clicked it a few more times.<p>&gt; “It’s not not a $550 click.”<p>This is the most Gruber line ever. I can just imagine John thinking, &#x27;My work here is done&#x27;.
7898766786over 4 years ago
This is another odd product from Apple.<p>The verbiage makes it sound high end, but they&#x27;re decidedly not talking to people who already spend a lot of money on headphones. There are some audiophiles using wireless these days, but always <i>lossless</i>. Apple has, to that market&#x27;s dismay, been using lossy bluetooth. The silence here suggests they still are.<p>It&#x27;s too expensive for the &#x27;anything that works&#x27; crowd but is definitely not an audiophile product. Noise cancellation? Crowded market. Not sure where else this could fit in.<p>It&#x27;s similar to the Apple watch. On the low end it really doesn&#x27;t have any competition. Other smart watches look awful in comparison and you get a lot for $400 or whatever they cost.<p>But the high end of their range? I know zero watch people who have swapped their mechanical watch for a <i>high end</i> Apple watch. They might wear a low end one occasionally, but an expensive watch that has to be plugged in daily -- well, that&#x27;s electronic at all -- is the antithesis of high end watches.<p>More succinctly: An audiophile AirPods is like an Hermes Apple Watch. Cringey, expensive, but will probably find an audience somewhere in the gap between low income and high taste.
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Shivetyaover 4 years ago
Put it this way, the weight of these headphones is between that of an iPad Mini and iPad Air<p>As a motorcyclist the weight of a helmet is a real concern usually rivaling the safety rating but always higher than airflow which itself is high on the list.<p>I really do not see myself wearing any set of headphones that weigh this much, the XM4s by Sony are noticeable so weighing half again more has to really stand out. That he emphasized their inertia pretty much eliminates them completely.<p>I still really feel that the team involved here reached a ship it or shelve deadline after four years of development. Even the case looks like a last minute tie in which reveals two other sore points, they don&#x27;t fold and they don&#x27;t have a means to turn them off outside the case.
cambalacheover 4 years ago
There is something &quot;obscene&quot; about +500 USD headphones. I assume they are very nice, but seeing this kind of news and seeing the heavy suffering in the world right now leaves me with a bad after-taste. Like reading Glamour magazine in a public kitchen.
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derefrover 4 years ago
My read with these is that their real purpose is to serve as a compact spatial-audio surround-sound studio monitor setup — i.e. something you buy to use at a DAW, instead of having to outfit an editing booth with a real 7.1 setup.<p>Making headphones out of metal with magnetically-adhered foam ear-cups makes a lot more sense when several people are going to be sharing them — i.e. a rotation of producers working in the same editing booth, where the headphones belong to the booth, not to the user. Metal is a lot easier to disinfect than plastic, and each user could have their own personal set of earcups, swapped often, without that wearing down any latching hardware. And the weight isn’t a problem if you’re just using them at a desk. High-impedance studio monitors are always heavy!<p>No current Mac can actually work with these headphones, but I don’t think the idea is that everyone is supposed to DAW on their iPads; rather, I presume that these headphones are meant to presage that the next Apple Silicon pro-level Macs <i>will</i> have the right features to support working in regular desktop DAW software with these headphones. (It&#x27;s curious, though, that they released them well ahead of announcing those new Macs. They could have just put the announcements together.)
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presentationover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve switched out a heavy set of over-ear headphones specifically because they were too heavy for me, and would make my neck feel uncomfortable after some time.<p>Also, don&#x27;t knock earbuds as being innately less noise-cancelling than over-ear headphones - in-ear monitors (IEMs) that enter your ear canal and produce a good seal can passively filter a great deal of sound, musicians use them all the time and I used to wear my pair (without any active noise cancellation) on airplanes—they work at least 75% as well as Airpods Pro active cancellation does, while sounding really great.<p>But after a long period of listening like on a long-haul flight, the physical pressure of those get tiring on my ears... and active noise cancellation also makes my ears tired after a while too... so seems there&#x27;s no silver bullet. Honestly I&#x27;ve just gone to not using headphones of any kind for extended periods of time and listening with speakers whenever practical.
rich_sashaover 4 years ago
I think they only feel heavy because the reviewer was wearing them wrong.
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Kucherover 4 years ago
Beats has been accused of adding weight to their headphones in the past that serves no obvious function other than to give them a premium feel.<p>It will be interesting to see the teardown video.
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viktorcodeover 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t get why Apple haven&#x27;t added source independent spatial audio. Like Audeze did with Mobius. The headphones use accelerometer and gyroscope (which AirPods have too I presume), and position the center of the audio to where you are looking. You can re-center it with a button press. And it works pretty well!<p>So, the hardware is all there. Apple could have done the same, bringing spatial audio to whatever place you want.
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ubermonkeyover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m very much the target market for the APMs, so I read this with interest. Well, I mean, I would be, if I still got on planes.<p>I own a nice pair of Sennheisers with active noise cancellation. They&#x27;re AMAZING on planes, or other noisy environments, but like any full-sized set of headphones they&#x27;re not something I&#x27;d wear moving around. Since COVID happened, mine have been on a shelf -- if I want headphones in the house, I just use my AirPods or the older set of wired Sennheisers semi-permanently set up next to the couch.<p>But yeah, I&#x27;m interested in these for the post-COVID world. One thing gave me a little pause, though, prior to Gruber&#x27;s piece, and that was my assumption that Apple wouldn&#x27;t make it possible to use these in a wired mode at all. My Senns CAN be used that way, and it makes a big difference on a long-haul flight. If you can use your own nice headphones with the seatback system, you&#x27;ll have a much nicer time, and I just assumed Apple wouldn&#x27;t do that.<p>I&#x27;m VERY pleased to see they allowed for that: &quot;You can use AirPods Max as wired headphones with a Lightning to 3.5 mm headphone jack cable&quot;.<p>There&#x27;s lots of stuff I like about my wireless ANC-equipped Sennheisers, but they don&#x27;t sound as good as the wired set by my couch. (I mean, no surprise; the older wired set is like $300, and the wireless ones were half that.) Additionally, the wireless ones have all the sorts of goofy interface bullshit and dodgy Bluetooth things going on that I associated with basically all non-Apple Bluetooth things.<p>I&#x27;d absolutely pay a premium to have wireless headphones that rival my fancy wired Sennheisers, include ANC, and operate seamlessly. That&#x27;d be a no-brainer.<p>But, as I said, only if travel actually becomes a thing again. ;)
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fractionalhareover 4 years ago
<i>&gt; Every other pair of over-the-ear headphones I’ve ever used feel a bit cheap in comparison, because my over-the-ear headphones have all been constructed mostly of plastic.</i><p>His comment here surprises me, because I&#x27;d have assumed Gruber knows the headphone space really well. He should check out a pair of Sennheiser HD800s or Audeze LCD series. At the high end, headphones definitely don&#x27;t feel cheap. There are also plenty of models in the $500 range that don&#x27;t feel cheap. In particular: headphones intended for the same use as the AirPods Max apparently are (stationary, high fidelity) <i>usually</i> don&#x27;t feel cheap, and are also <i>usually</i> heavy!<p>The rest of the review seems fine. The AirPods Max look nice and probably sound nice; if I didn&#x27;t already have a pair of LCD-2s I might buy them. But I don&#x27;t need another pair of headphones unless they&#x27;re designed for portability. Based on what Gruber&#x27;s saying here, they are not.
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fbelzileover 4 years ago
&gt; <i>... definitely feels like they’re intended for stationary use. Their lack of water resistance aside...</i><p>&gt; <i>It’d be nice if [spatial audio] worked with MacBooks... But the device that’s just begging for spatial audio support is Apple TV... It’s crazy that Apple sells a premium movie-watching set-top box and very premium movie-listening wireless headphones and they don’t work together for a premium spatial audio movie-listening experience.</i><p>So, AirPods Max are not water resistant and are heavy enough to feel intended for stationary use. Yet the two unique selling propositions of these headphones are: seamless transitions between Apple devices and spacial audio.<p>Seems to me, if you&#x27;re not going to be using these on-the-go for comfort reasons, you also won&#x27;t be benefiting from the only two unique features they offer.
bredrenover 4 years ago
Not the most positive review ever. The lack of Apple TV seems like a thing, but presumably an update is in the works.<p>The weight thing seems like a design decision that gives insight into the job to be don’t by these headphones, which is very much not the job(s) handled by AirPods and AirPods Pro.
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supernova87aover 4 years ago
I have no idea what the build is like, but if I were dropping $550 on some headphones, I would want them to not feel loose, rattley, or like they have plastic hinges&#x2F;joints that are probably going to gradually accumulate &quot;play&quot; or break after a year. I would want shiny stainless steel joints that feel &quot;buttery&quot; yet reasonably tight. A feeling that if you accidentally sat on them or tossed them in a bag and got crushed, something might bend, rather than crack and break.<p>Btw, I wonder how they will let people try them in the stores. Seems like putting something on your head&#x2F;ears that others have tried before you feels a little icky.
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whycombagatorover 4 years ago
Maybe someone has already pointed it out, but Beats pro over ears are $400, are metal construction, weigh 405 grams (heavier than the AirPods Max), aren’t wireless, and I don’t believe they do any of the clever noise cancelling or contain as much hardware as the AirPods Max.<p>Sure, the beats pro are aimed at a different type of user but when comparing the two products is $550 really that much of a surprise?<p>I thought they’d come in cheaper, but on reflection pricing them lower competes with Beats (other than the aforementioned pro model, the Beats Studio3 Wireless Over‑Ears are $350)
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trextrexover 4 years ago
Unless I&#x27;m missing something, aluminum ear cups seems to be a bad idea for colder weather. I wouldn&#x27;t want to put cold metal on my ear every time I want to hear music?
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james-skempover 4 years ago
&gt; Just how much difference that makes, battery-life wise, compared to just leaving them, unused, out of the case, I can’t say. I’ve only had them a day and I’ve spent a lot of that time wearing them.<p>I realize that this is going to get buried in the 633+ other comments, but you can not adequately review a product like this in one day&#x2F;24 hours. Give it a week or two, at least to see if they&#x27;re really better, or just different&#x2F;new.
dmitshurover 4 years ago
A question I haven’t seen answered anywhere so far is whether it’s possible to connect these to a computer via a Lightning to USB-C cable to transfer the audio signal in addition to charging. If so, how does the audio quality compare to the wireless Bluetooth operation.<p>Or is that not an option, and the only wired audio support is via the Lightning to 3.5 mm cable, which adds an additional analog conversion into the chain.
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germinalphraseover 4 years ago
I’ve done some binaural recording in the past, hand built stereo speakers, (as well as experienced various surround sound systems), but I am not a serious or dedicated audiophile by any means.<p>That said, while spatial audio does sound different than stereo, the purported ‘surround sound’ effect is mostly lost on me (even testing just now with G’s recommendation of The Mandalorian).<p>Am I missing something here?
torgianover 4 years ago
You can get some really really good headphones for 500 dollars... even some basic custom IEMs for that price.<p>Somehow I feel like the audio quality and build quality is not going to be as good as the companies that actually make headphones for a living.<p>Edit: Also, the fact that these don&#x27;t fold, and that they&#x27;re supposedly for using in public, make these even less attractive.
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bt_guyover 4 years ago
When these were announced I was interested to see if Apple solved by biggest qualm about bluetooth headphones: low audio quality when using them in duplex mode for calls. This is a limitation of bandwidth in the bluetooth standard AFAIK. Whenever I jump on a Zoom call with my QC35&#x27;s, they immediately switch to mono audio, at low quality, because the mic is in use. I am not sure this can really be solved at the hardware level, but if anyone could do it, it would definitely be Apple for a $550 price tag, possibly by including two bluetooth radios (one for talk and one for audio). But I haven&#x27;t seen any mention of this use case, so it seems like I will just have to wait for a new standard and new generation of BT devices.
baneover 4 years ago
So what about Beats? Is that all just chopped liver?<p>As soon as Apple realizes they can incorporate batteries into the design, and sell different colored batteries so people can have their own custom &quot;look&quot;, they&#x27;ll suddenly be replaceable and marked up 70%.<p>I can&#x27;t wait for the $250 AirPod Max hard travel cases to start showing up (with built in charging). But what about expensive charging stands so you don&#x27;t have to put them in the purse&#x2F;pouch to turn them off?<p>On the other hand, at least Apple has figured out how to turn commodity computing into an aspirational luxury good instead of an inevitable race to the bottom and low margins. Their recent moves are all intended to give them more control of their experience and extend that strategy out for as long as possible.
losvedirover 4 years ago
Maybe as an Android user, this is a thing I take for granted that just isn&#x27;t really in the Apple ecosystem, but I&#x27;m used to a Chromecast and seamlessly streaming all my phone content to my TV.<p>So when I was reading the section about the content having to be played on an iPhone or iPad, and how he can&#x27;t use it with his Apple TV... I got really confused. Can you really not just stream your mobile content to the Apple TV? Then you&#x27;d have the big screen, but you could use your phone or iPad for keeping track of your head&#x27;s orientation. Or can you stream it, but not, like, configure the location of your TV or something, for the purposes of the spatial audio?
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patjaover 4 years ago
I find it interesting that he refuses to wear wireless headphones while podcasting because he can&#x27;t tolerate the latency. But he&#x27;s perfectly fine with it when watching a movie? Lip synch latency drives me crazy once I notice it.
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jamespetercookover 4 years ago
$549 is expensive. £549 is madness
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chrischenover 4 years ago
&gt; AirPods Pro noise cancellation is very good, for earbuds, but it’s nowhere near as effective as with over-the-ear headphones — if only for the obvious reason that over-the-ear headphones help block noise even when they’re powered off, because they double as physical ear muffs in addition to the active noise cancellation.<p>Is this actually true? I’ve always intuitively thought it was the other way around since the Airpods plug your ears (they’re not actually earbuds).<p>I also subjectively tested both in an Apple store and the AirPods blocked out sounds better.
boomskatsover 4 years ago
I can&#x27;t help but feel that this is an explicit strategic design decision for Apple. It lets them position the AirPods Max as having (sound and build) Quality over (quiet) Comfort. It creates a market position for them without having to try very hard, and allows them years of incremental (yet revolutionary) weight saving improvements for future generations of the product.<p>(note that I&#x27;m not implying the QCs have poor build quality, just that a heavier product implies better BQ. I am implying that the QCs aren&#x27;t difficult to beat on sound quality though)
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aledalgrandeover 4 years ago
The fact they don&#x27;t have spatial audio with the latest Apple TV highlights the problem Apple has without Steve: product consistency.<p>This is not the only example: bought a 2020 Macbook Pro, an external Magic keyboard and trackpad and couldn&#x27;t even connect them because they came with USB-A cables. We had to wait until iPhone 12 (correct me if wrong) to get a phone that charges on the same manufacturer&#x27;s laptop. It is a mess.
kevincoxover 4 years ago
&gt; I get it. If spatial audio needs hardware support on the playback<p>Does it? If you assume that 99% of the time I am looking at the screen and just do that doesn&#x27;t it provide basically perfect audio? Until very wide-FOV screens become common place it doesn&#x27;t seem like you need to know where I am looking, it is within a couple of degrees from the center of the screen.
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_ph_over 4 years ago
It is a funny thing with these headphones. For a long time, I had planned to buy another set of headphones - ironically because Apple refuses to exchange the worn-out earpads of my older beats. It is quite bad for the environment, if you have to dispose a product because a part like earpads, which has a very obvious wear limiting its lifespan, cannot be exchanged. Same of course applies for the battery, but that is still ok.<p>Hearing about the rumors of Apple headphones I postponed any purchase, as I was curious to see first what these headphones would be like and quite willing to buy them, even if more expensive than what I had before. So why arent the AirPods Max not an instant buy for me now?<p>First of all, the release 2 weeks before Christmas is odd timing, but that probably was beyond the control by Apple, they were not ready for production early enough, also this means limited stock. Basically the question was already decided as there was no chance to get them with the initial run and now are out of stock till spring.<p>A rather big gripe of mine are the colors. It is great to have different colors, buy why are they all so toned down? For the same reason I don&#x27;t like the identical colors of the iPad Air. For some things I really like the colors to be ff0000 or 0000ff, alternatively at least 000000. I would like to see whether the &quot;space gray&quot; is dark enough, in the video by iJustine they looked nice, would like to check that out in a store before ordering.<p>The other one would be the rather weird case. Not only is it odd and I really don&#x27;t need a case for my headphones in the first place, it is also mandatory to use to be able to switch them off. Which is probably the reason I won&#x27;t get them. I don&#x27;t want to have to put my headphones in a case every time I put them off for more than a very short while. Especially not in a goofy one. There needs to be an off switch on the device. Shouldn&#x27;t be difficult to reprogram one of the two switches to work that way.<p>The other one is of course the issue with the device compatibility. As Gruber points it out: the spatial audio is great, but there seems no way to actually use this. I am not going to watch movies on my iPhone (I actually did this once to test my Homepods as a movie sound stage, which worked great. But I did it exactly once for satisfying the curiosity, watching a movie on the iPhone is no experience I want to replicate). This is a huge stinker and I don&#x27;t know what Apple is thinking. It is already more than aggravating, that you cannot (reasonably) use Homepods as your Mac speakers. I just set up a new MacBook Pro, and indeed, my Homepods appear als sound output devices in the audio control, but as separate devices. How is it possible, that they don&#x27;t communicate their pairing to Macs? Again, what is Apple thinking?<p>As a consequence, I am quite undecided yet. They do tick quite a few boxes, good build quality, probably great sound, Apple certainly has used all their vast acoustic skills on those. Battery and earpads are exchangeable, they should have a good life time. The price certainly gave me a short pause, this is not impulse by territory. I would be willing to pay it though for a product I am convinced about.
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mensetmanusmanover 4 years ago
How can you get a spatial audio effect from a screen the size of an iPhone?<p>Is it that objects off screen and to the left can be heard before they enter the viewing area?<p>I wish these had the Ultra Wideband antenna for spatial location applications. That would have been a fun API to mess with. That, and like the reviewer said, this has to happen with the next Apple TV.
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sovaover 4 years ago
LSTN makes headphones and gives hearing aids to people when you buy some of their cans. Pretty cool. Would like more ethical action paired with luxury products. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lstnsound.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lstnsound.com&#x2F;</a>
triceratopsover 4 years ago
Does anyone else have a problem with the headband breaking or cracking after a year or two? That&#x27;s my major concern about buying this style of headphones now. The old-school Walkman headphones were pretty great in comparison - flex all day and they wouldn&#x27;t break.
motoxproover 4 years ago
&gt;&gt;&gt; I almost never wear headphones while working at my desk, and for recording podcasts, I want wired headphones, to eliminate all latency.<p>This actually had me dying. That bluetooth latency is just a killer.
ho_schiover 4 years ago
Aluminum is not better than plastic. Neither is plastic better than Aluminum. What matters quality and usage.<p>Planes[1] without aluminum? Ouch.<p>Cars[2] without plastic? Ouch.<p>I prefer ThinkPads because the use high quality plastic chassis and keyboards. Polycarbonate, ABS or whatever doesn&#x27;t matter to me. Inside the use also magnesium and aluminum. High quality plastics are better when used with skin contact, especially regarding the keyboard and mouse. I regret that phones made with polycarbonate are gone, removable back cover, Qi without glass at back and they don&#x27;t shatter when you drop them like the 800 $&#x2F;€ stuff from Apple or Samsung. What I don&#x27;t want on my lap is a MacBook. When it get hot, that not comfortable.<p>TLDR What looks good in first sight isn&#x27;t good to use or in long term durability.<p>[1] Actually they use a lot composite material within modern planes like the B747-8, B787, A350 and so on :)<p>[2] Excepting the original Audi A2, a great piece of aluminum :)<p>PS: I&#x27;ve seen people buying keyboards and mice made of aluminium. I cannot imagine something more uncomfortable.
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lewichover 4 years ago
I bet everyone who will get Airpods Max for free is going to say - oh sure, they are worth 550 and are so nice... But it wont be 100% case when person would pay for them.
erduck96over 4 years ago
I really do not understand buying these when you can get a similarly priced pair of Sennheisers that will be much better quality.
elicashover 4 years ago
Gruber won the “first takes” with just his headline.
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eeccover 4 years ago
Hmm, anyone worried about the analog gap closing?
jb1991over 4 years ago
Wait... you can&#x27;t use these with anything other than an iOS device?!<p>edit: only the spatial audio feature works only on iOS
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LeicaLatteover 4 years ago
I never expected them to be that heavy. Is this meant for the Pro content creator market? Seems so.
wayeqover 4 years ago
And light is the wallet.
rosstexover 4 years ago
Let&#x27;s go see what Head-Fi thinks of them.
bjornedstromover 4 years ago
A bit off topic, but if you wear those around Stockholm, Sweden where I live, you will probably be robbed.<p>I never really understood the combination of noise cancellation and home use only. I think noise cancellation really shines when out and about in public, like the subway. But I can&#x27;t imagine anyone using those things on the go, at least not where I live.
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LeoNatan25over 4 years ago
These are limited to 256kbps low bandwidth Bluetooth. Leave it to Apple to change prices of hifi headphones, but make what amounts to laughable input quality. Expensive toys for rich people that really don’t know any better. Just like the XDR display, which was presented as “competing with industry titans at lower price”, but that ended up as complete bullshit claim by Apple.<p>Sony’s competitors, however badly named, cost 350$ (before the usual discounts on Amazon and retailers), and have audio in, and support higher audio input fidelity. They still use low quality amp+dac, but still the end result is much better than this.
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kohlermover 4 years ago
Looks to me that the only market for these headphones are people who travel a lot (flights&#x2F;trains) and&#x2F;or want to show a status symbol. For all other use case the design has some significant flaws. E.g. a higher end headphone such as the Hifiman Sundara has the same weight, better sound (bluetooth is anyway questionable for good sound unless you use something like LDAC), much cheaper (350) and is therefore probably better suited for stationary usage. You can also get similarly priced headphones with bluetooth for stationary use. For mobile use (walking, or even running) something with this weight is definitely too heavy.
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