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America Lacks Meaningful Innovation

116 pointsby m311tonabout 14 years ago

30 comments

jffabout 14 years ago
I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. God damn it, an entire generation selling ads, making social media startups – slaves with white collars. Internet hype has us chasing VCs and tweets, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no AI Winter. No Project MAC. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be Zuckerbergs, and Bill Gateses, and rock star programmers, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
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lefstathiouabout 14 years ago
I think there is a bias in where the author, and a lot of the people who have commented below, get their data points on innovation.<p>If you're routinely reading tech blogs and forums, the usual suspects will appear and you'll naturally assume that the innovation taking place is all web-app related and social media related. If you're reading scientific journals on the other hand, you'll be overwhelmed with the amount of R&#38;D taking place in whatever field you're following. American corporations spend hundreds of billions annually on R&#38;D. These innovations show up in subtle places most people take for granted. Just because you can't see it, or it's not on TechCrunch, doesnt mean it isnt happening.<p>I would politely suggest that this author, and anyone that routinely reads the same 7 tech blogs, subscribe to MIT Tech Review. It offers incredible insight into more... "fundamental" (for lack of a better word) innovation (not to say improving the way people communicate and access information is not fundamentally innovative).
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shadowsun7about 14 years ago
I don't get this meme. Innovation can happen anywhere - and in fact it often does regardless of how seemingly 'useless' the application is. Livejournal is 'boring', but out of it we got Memcached; Facebook is a 'PHP doodad' (actual news article called it that, I kid you not!); out of it we got HipHop and Cassandra and Thrift. Friendfeed is a 'frivolous social app', and out of it we got Tornado.<p><i>“The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks.”</i> Sound true at face-value. But guess what? In order to process the huge amounts of data necessary to 'make people click ads', we use map/reduce, and we get and/or improve Hadoop. Both of which may then be used for <i>other</i> Big Data applications.<p>Sure, web applications <i>seem</i> trivial. But the innovations created as an aside to them very often are not.
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awtabout 14 years ago
"The people that are using digital innovations to solve real world problems like energy, health care, agriculture, and transportation are ahead of the curve."<p>Those are all capital intensive. Most 20 year olds don't have that much capital. It would be great to see more investment in this space, though.<p>I'm sure someone straight out of school could write software to improve healthcare records management, but the cost of maneuvering through healthcare regulations would be higher than most could afford.<p>My point is that people fresh out of school who want to be independent are tackling the biggest problems they can on a budget of $1-2000/month.
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taudeabout 14 years ago
I don't agree with you, I went to the MIT 100K business plan awards the other night and there were very few types of companies of what you talk about. I think you're basing your assumptions on reading too many TechCrunch-ish articles that focus on the consumer web-based marketplace.<p>For example, the winner of the MIT 100K contest develops sanitation devices for third-world countries. Read more over here: <a href="http://bostinnovation.com/2011/05/11/sanergy-wins-mit-100k-business-plan-competition-to-turn-shit-into-gold/" rel="nofollow">http://bostinnovation.com/2011/05/11/sanergy-wins-mit-100k-b...</a><p>I can think of tons of other examples, but don't have time to go list them out. Just don't read a website like Techmeme or TechCrunch and think you're really getting a total picture on the startup scene. I can tell you stores of many of my friends working in high-tech ceramics and crystals, and new recylcing technologies...
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aantixabout 14 years ago
But isn't this just the natural flow of innovation? We solve trivial cases first and then once the all of the idiosyncrasies of the technology have been fleshed out, we proceed to more advanced use cases?<p>We had Geocities with animated butterflies and horribly designed Guestbooks for others to exchange comments. Now we have Facebook that keeps people connected in realtime regardless of geographic boundaries with a fairly compelling user experience (relative to Geocities and that of 15 years ago).<p>I have faith in the current generation; trivial problems always become boring so hopefully this pushes into a more meaningful considerations in our software development.
msutherlabout 14 years ago
Wake up. "Web" is not the largest nor the most innovative startup scene. Bio-tech, medical tech, and energy are all much larger. That's where the the innovation happens. It just doesn't seem that way because they happen not to be industries based on _diffusion of information_. Think about it.
dxbydtabout 14 years ago
If you want "fundamental" innovation, you simply aren't going to get it in a jiffy.<p>Imagine if a person dead over a 100 years ago woke up today. What present day technologies would he have no trouble recognizing ? 1.Movie Projector. 2.Bulb. 3.Car.<p>That's about it. We use pretty much the same 35mm format and film projector that was originally invented some 110 years ago( George Lucas's constant lament ). We drive around in cars powered by the internal combustion engine invented a 100 years back. We come home to a dark house and turn on the bulb invented a 100 years ago.<p>If you allow some leeway for time, you can add a few more "genuine" innovations - Air Conditioning, Transistor/IntegratedCircuit, Antennas/SW/MW/AM/FM, ...<p>The rest is just fluff. That's always going to be the case, unless you have some major genetic mutation that'll cause all of us to wake up tomorrow &#38; fly away in our flying cars or jetpacks we rig up in the basement toolshed.
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cftabout 14 years ago
The products that are being developed by the new startups in the Silicon Valley are gradually shifting from technology to entertainment, like Hollywood. Google was still a productivity-tools oriented company, while Facebook is mostly Hollywood style entertainment, a new TV if you wish. This can be evidenced by the fact that Google is never blocked at work places, while Facebook is almost always blocked as a productivity killer. The people that this new TV show industry attracts are naturally different from the people that the makers of productivity tools attract.
yakshavingabout 14 years ago
Not to make this a mutual admiration society, but I couldn't agree more. I sent that BusinessWeek article to all of my friends that work for Google and eff-book.<p>One of the problems is that doing innovative things is, by defacto, riskier. I perceive that the general appetite for risk has decreased a lot for whatever reason.<p>People are happier than ever hitting singles or doubles rather than opting for the grand slam that really revolutionizes industries and... <i>solves</i> the goddam problem. It's been the hardest thing for me to hire smart/talented people to join an awesome team with a bold vision alone when well capitalized companies can provide safety, enticing salaries, back massages, free food/beer.<p>One thing that I think could help are solving problems that are really concrete and tangible -- Like putting a man on the moon. We need more of that sort of drive in order for people to be inspired to swing for the fences.
mrshoeabout 14 years ago
It's pretty easy to disprove statements like "America Lacks Meaningful Innovation" by counterexample. The iPhone. kiva.org. Tesla. SpaceX.<p>Something along the lines of "Much of America's so-called innovation is meaningless" might be more accurate. But any environment that is sufficiently conducive to innovation will produce a lot of meaningless innovation along with the meaningful stuff. Innovation consists of a huge number of failed experiments and a few successful ones.
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enjayhsuabout 14 years ago
I don't really agree. It's more that innovation isn't publicized and talked about as much as companies that are looking to score big. It also takes longer to mold innovation into something that can be sold; in the end, we still need to eat.<p>Also, why America? How is it different in other countries? Genuinely curious.
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Detrusabout 14 years ago
It would be great to have a comparison of fluff to meaningful innovation today vs. decades ago. How many man hours were spent on silly military ventures? Manned surveillance satellites, nuclear artillery, boomer subs, ICBMs, MIRV, the Orion project etc. These particular projects led nowhere and had few useful side effects. It would be interesting to add up the man hours and compare it to the web economy.<p>Rhetoric is enjoyable to read, fun to write but in-depth analysis of our economic and technological progress is a hard problem.<p>As far as the web goes, more can be done on it even before we resort to poorly served enterprise/medicine/energy markets for new ideas. It's the same problem desktop software once had when that market was over-saturated with word processor or email client clones. It's only today that there are word processors with new features, like the no-distraction theme. That could have been done then, but there was a bad environment for new ideas.<p>Web people are chasing clone ideas because there's a bad environment for ideas again. There's too much feature overlap between various social network and communication tool attempts like conversate, qonversation, twitter, reddit, HN etc. Focus on execution over ideas might matter more for your personal success, but it's horrible for technological progress.<p>Also I don't expect the web culture of young hipsters and hackers getting excited about enterprise/medicine/energy. Such markets could be served indirectly, through some generic CMS/communication/portal/DB thing.
pnathanabout 14 years ago
Most serious innovation happens behind the scenes and out of the public's eye. Among other reasons, most of the public (the laypeople) do not understand the actual innovation concepts and technologies, so even if time was spent marketing it, it'd still end up as...<p>internet = tubes
ksolankiabout 14 years ago
At the risk of unpopularity, let me be the devils advocate here.<p>Warning: I am going to support 41 M investment in Color and will point out some odd issues with the way Ph.D./University research is funded.<p>What is the ideal environment for innovation? Give some hard problems to smart people, give them enough time and money to solve them. At the end even if the effort fails one learns what does not work. I feel that the people at Color Inc. have this sort of freedom with a committed 41M funding. No? Do you think all they will do with this freedom is just photo sharing? I doubt.<p>On the other hand, innovation gets stiffed by short term targets/pressures. It gets stiffed when you need your research proposals to go through a large peer review committee (at NIH or NSF). Why? Most innovative but unproven ideas are killed right there. Feature prominent people as co-investigators or consultants and your chance of funding greatly increases. Of course, this system is still better than in many other countries, but there is some room for improvement.
Mzabout 14 years ago
<i>While many of the best and brightest try their hand with media companies, the bane of the American economy – health care – is begging for talent and innovation.</i><p>"Health Care" and the medical industry are not the same thing and that's one of the biggest mental blocks America has. I did the homemaker and full-time mom thing for 2 decades and it allowed me to keep my son with cystic fibrosis remarkably healthy in spite of not having a diagnosis until late in life. Later we were both diagnosed. Because I did the full time mom thing for so long and my idea of "health care" included things like cooking and cleaning (instead of drugs and surgeries), I was able to get well after spending a year at death's door.<p>I've got your health care talent and innovation right here: <a href="http://healthgazelle.com/" rel="nofollow">http://healthgazelle.com/</a> and it has nothing to do with the current medical industry.<p>Now I just need to grow it, learn to write code and create a more information-dense delivery mechanism (aka game).
jowiarabout 14 years ago
One question: What is meaning?<p>Making life longer? Making life better? Creating options? Creating experiences?<p>I think everyone here can agree on the basic idea that some things have meaning and some do not. Reaching consensus on what specifically has meaning, though, is impossible.<p>Finally, is it that far fetched to posit that technologies developed and refined to predict consumer desires or the financial markets can be repositioned to predict weather, disease (both on a world-wide level and a cellular level). That these predictions can be used to improve the quality of people's lives, the availability of food, and otherwise? These techniques are the byproduct of the current bubble, and targeting them at the physical world, scaling them up (planetary) or down (molecular) will be the focus of the next century.<p>Finally, in relation to my earlier point, 42... Discuss.
gmt2027about 14 years ago
We are a generation of fluff and polish.<p>Today's most celebrated young 'engineer' is Mark Zuckerberg, creator of a really cool way to rank hot chicks, measure faux popularity and extend the social dyamics of high school into the real world. We make dramatically scored movies about his trials and ultimate triumph and rank Facebook as the greatest company to emerge in the last half-decade with a $50bn valuation.<p>Where is our Alexander Graham Bell, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla or even Howard Hughes? Is it Steve Jobs and his charisma? What we consider innovation has taken the form of the iPhone and the iPad, fancier toys in polished packages with glaringly less functionality than is a technical possibility today, conveniently dumbed-down so it is easier to keep us not thinking too hard and, God-forbid, doing anything really imaginative.<p>Sure there is interesting work being done out there in green energy, space, biotech and nanotechnology research. These were all conceivable decades ago. We are unable to create good science fiction anymore because our imagination is just as bad as it was in the 1800s. My God, they built driverless cars that work, why isn't that game-changing Google spin-off the hot new company of the decade? Does anyone even know the name of the former Stanford Professor whose work could lower accident rates, eliminate traffic jams and parking problems, make automobile ownership obsolete and drastically cut down emissions and manufacturing waste? We could have a real transportation cloud that actually does something useful other than being a repository for our videos and photos that allows 'sharing with family and friends'.<p>We are complacent enough to only care about things that distract us from actually being productive. Just about any system out there leaves huge room for improvement. Everything is broken or needlessly inefficient: the government, the legal, financial, energy, educational, healthcare, transportation, and disaster management systems. Even the Internet is broken. We should be building efficient sustainable systems that scale, not software. Real innovation requires an iterate-or-die mindset.<p>I am an African. Don't even get me started on the developing world.
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iamelgringoabout 14 years ago
Poppycock.<p>Health care's problems in the United States are not technical. Health Care's problems are regulatory, and systemic. (My day job is in health care for the last 20 years in 35 hospitals in 5 states.) Health care's problems in poor countries are primarily due to a lack of hygine and clean water. Most of the rest of their problems can be helped with decent tropical disease vaccine research. That’s not an interest or willingness issue, that’s a funding and economics issue.<p>There are massive amounts of funding for clean/green tech right now. Those innovations are going to be hard, and come slowly, but we do have a lot of brilliant minds working on those problems.<p>I dare say I have a front seat at the innovation table by hosting the largest group of garage stage startups at Hackers &#38; Founders Silicon Valley. I see a lot of amazingly cool stuff months before it hits event the startup press.<p>Here's what I see:<p>Founders building social media startups are rare. Precious few founders think about monetizing via ads, unless they are building a search engine. Funding for ad based, or social media startups are hard to come by unless they show tons of traction before funding.<p>The coolest apps I'm seeing built are hardware peripherals to mobile phones or mobile devices: An ultrasound probe attached to an iPhone that can serve as a fetal heart monitor. Motion tracking devices that can be attached to your head and ankle so you can control a racing game on your iPad while excdcising on your bike.<p>There’s a ton of innovation happening around the food space, creating new markets for food producers and consumers.<p>There are also companies like Genomera.com, which is building a system for crowd sourced clinical trials. Factual.com is building an open source model around big data.<p>BioCurious is a very cool hacker space/community around DIY bio that’s getting organized. As the costs of bio hacking come down, there’s going to be a ton of innovation there.<p>There’s tons of innovation surrounding the Kinect. I talked with the CEO of Health 2.0 a few weeks ago, and a Neurologist and a programmer got together at one of their hackathons, and in a weekend, built a pediatric gait abnormality monitor. Wait until the official SDK comes out, and drivers are included in Windows 8, and you’re going to see some really cool things.<p>The very fabric and character of Silicon Valley is changing because of innovation in how companies are funded (Angel List). Hundreds, and soon thousands of two to four person startups are going to be funded. I believe what’s going to happen is because of that, the rate of innovation in Silicon Valley and around the globe is going to accelerate dramatically.<p>You complain that there's no innovation because everybody is just building gadgets. Gadgets like cell phones are revolutionizing 3rd world economies, and mobile payments via cell phones are creating truly disruptive innovation like electronic banking and electronic money transfer. I visited my brother doing economic development in Honduras, and most everyone carries a cell phone, even if they live in a house with a dirt floor.<p>Have you looked at the innovations that are happening in robotics? My nephew is studying at a community college in rural Minnesota right now, and he’s in a robotics competition. He’s programming a robot that can crawl around and check to see if a seedling tree is dead or not. If it’s dead, the robot pulls the seedling. If not, it keeps driving.<p>Open your eyes. Stop reading Tech Crunch. Go to Maker Faire. Awesome things are happening and you don’t even realize it.<p>And, if you're sick of the lack of innovation... then create something. Complaining about it online does nothing.
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nkassisabout 14 years ago
The author mentions healthcare as an area of innovation but until something happens to the massive regulation hurdles that are in place, healthcare is hard to revolutionize. I'm working on a research project that could be used for clinical stuff but it would be the process of going through FDA approval for the software and all is a major deterrent.
Apocryphonabout 14 years ago
This article is geographically myopic. If you're in Palo Alto, you think that all the smart kids are trying to make yet another Color. If you're in New York, you think that all of the best STEM grads are trying to get into the financial industry. Both viewpoints don't capture the big picture of "American innovation."
dvseabout 14 years ago
There might be more to selling ads than initially meets the eye - the ability to connect specialized products and services with interested audience can help drive all sorts of innovation quite unrelated to social media. Many of these projects may never take off without advances in targeted advertising.<p>Indeed better segmentation and the abiolity to get real time feedback could bring about some rather fundamental changes to the very nature of the consumer economy and the way demand is estimated and prices are set on a very broad range of products - full consequences are not easy to appreciate.
tlowabout 14 years ago
Are the claims about 'top graduates' in 'top programs' flowing into startups at a rate that is any different than in the past substantiated by fact?<p>This whole article reads to me like a statistician selecting and manipulating certain data to <i>prove</i> the desired result, except, there seems to be little more than limited conjecture in this piece.
Luytabout 14 years ago
This article uses shadow fringes around the letters, which makes it hard to read. Luckily, there is a Readability AddOn [1] for Firefox. I see myself more and more using this handy AddOn... is 'designeritis' spoiling web usability?<p>[1] <a href="https://www.readability.com/addons" rel="nofollow">https://www.readability.com/addons</a>
fauigerzigerkabout 14 years ago
I'm very skeptical of all those marketing centered developments as well, but throwing entertainment in that same bucket is nonsense.<p>Entertainment is an end in itself. Marketing is a means to an end without (much) intrinsic value. These two things are as far apart as two economic activities can ever be.
tsothaabout 14 years ago
The problem is the political and legal environment is such that a company can more profitably spend its capital in Washington trying to erect barriers to competition than to actually do something new.
anand21about 14 years ago
and i thought India lacks meaningful/() innovation
thorwed123about 14 years ago
The important point is that the startups doing meaningful innovation are not founded by college and high school dropouts, but rather PhD students, or Scientist or Consultants.<p>That is why the idiots such as Peter Thiel and others in Techcrunch/HN/YC who stupidly argue that college education is worthless, should silenced.<p>Also an important point to note is that nearly all YC startups are also of the same Crap Crop as mentioned in the article.<p>See I can blog by sending an email [and trash talk by competitors] how innnnooovative!
mkramlichabout 14 years ago
The big perhaps too obvious criticism of the OA is that it's making a broad generalization and is overlooking all the actual innovation and Big Ideas going on. I for one am also sickened or at least unexcited by all the unimaginative and incremental and "me too" startups and products out there. But rather than just complaining about it, I'm doing something about it. Innovation starts with you. If you want the world to be a certain way it's up to you to help make it that way. Start small, think big, act today but aim for the future.
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NY_USA_Hackerabout 14 years ago
The article is wildly wrong:<p>The Web? On the whole, it is wildly 'innovative'. Moreover, it is a huge aid to economic productivity and, thus, standard of living and quality of life.<p>Search engines? On the whole, they are wildly innovative and productive because they help solve a huge problem on the Internet -- finding stuff.<p>More in search engines? Yes, needed because the only search, discovery, recommendation, curation engines that work well are the ones based on keywords, and they work well for only about one-third of the content. How to get a search engine that also works well for the other two-thirds? That needs some 'innovation'!<p>A better search engine will likely have to make progress with how humans understand 'information' and 'meaning', and that will need some 'innovation'.<p>The author views 'innovation' mostly just in terms of what happened in the first half of the 20th century. Innovation is in different areas now. The author is also missing that to support the new approaches to innovation, Intel is now making 3D transistors with 22 nm feature sizes, and that in itself is history-making innovation.<p>Ads? So far the Internet is heavily supported by ads. Why? Because it's important to connect people with products and services. Why important? Because a key part of a higher standard of living is having people better allocate their limited resources, and key to this is getting people the information they need for such better allocations. One way to get the information is to have a person use a search engine to find the products and services. Another way is to have a vendor of products and services use ads to find the people. So far both ways are important.<p>The article wants to assume that ads are bad, and this is not good. There must be something very important about ads since they support nearly all of TV, radio, professional sports, just say, old media, and now the Internet. Pro basketball players? Basically they are in the ad business.<p>One reason entrepreneurs are rushing to Web x.0 companies is that's where the money is. And the money is not just in the US: The US companies that lead in this work rapidly become successful internationally. It's foolish to say that all this activity, internationally, is bad.<p>But not everything has to be international: The US did just fine, thank you, from about 1850 to 1950 growing mostly just internally and with relatively little role for foreign trade. So the claim in the article that there's something wrong with the US selling to itself is wrong: The better standard of living we want is from getting the work done, and we get it done by specialization with one person selling to another. All this does better when there is more efficiency, and the information via the Internet is a key here.<p>More information? Currently the US and more important world economies are in a Great Recession. The core reason? Bad information. Thus much of the solution will be better information. Generally information is just crucial for higher standards of living. The best thing that's happened for information so far is just the Internet.<p>Internet blogs are important, too: They can clear up misunderstandings caused by confused people!<p>But for some of the innovation the author seems to be dreaming about, that's coming: The foundation is Moore's law, the Internet, and infrastructure software. Broadly the path to more economic productivity is to automate, that is, have the machines do the work. Yes, we want the machines building houses and cars, growing crops, tending livestock, manufacturing boxes, bottles, and gadgets, making fiber, thread, cloth, and clothes, analyzing data needed for progress, yes, including in medicine, etc. It's coming.