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Yamaha’s DX7 synthesiser changed modern music

95 pointsby aluketover 4 years ago

18 comments

jdontillmanover 4 years ago
Interesting. I agree that the article is an exaggeration.<p>It could be argued that the DX7 had a significant negative musical contribution. Oodles of sounds at the expense of musical expression. The musician became alienated from the process of making the sound. The keyboard player&#x27;s job moved from playing the piano or organ to coming up with all the accompaniment parts that aren&#x27;t guitars.<p>And the DX7 was way too difficult to program. Sort of like trying to solve a Rubik&#x27;s Cube; you can be one twist away and not know it. And since whole point of synthesis was for the musician to explore and tweak their sound, the DX7 was sort of an anti-synth.<p>That said...<p>Maybe it was an accidental choice of words in the article, but I would also say that the DX7 was, indeed, one of the most important advances in terms of musical engineering.<p>Given 1983 technology, it was very difficult to implement digital audio filters, which require millions of multiplication&#x2F;accumulation operations a second. The microprocessors of the day were not up to the task. TRW offered a 16x16 bit multiplier chip, but it cost around $300 for the chip alone (!!!) and required significant support circuitry.<p>FM synthesis, as such, was not new. The Buchla synthesizer featured it in the 60&#x27;s. John Chowning refined the concept, moved from frequency to phase modulation, and brought FM into the digital realm.<p>Then some smart folks realized that FM synthesis could be implemented entirely in add and ROM lookup operations, which is downright easy in 1983 technology. Then they refined FM some more so it could produce a wide timbral range from the single engine.<p>That&#x27;s the impressive part of the DX7.
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davtbaumover 4 years ago
<i>The DX7 can lay claim to being one of the most important advances in the history of modern popular music. Perhaps not since Leo Fender attached a pick-up to a six-string in 1949</i><p>Statements like this are, exaggerated, to say the least. While the DX7 is undoubtedly prolific in 80s pop, it was just a synth that was successful for its price point (and timing!) as called out in the article. Case in point that today, nearly all the major manufacturers are building re-issues and the most coveted are those the analog counterparts of the Dx-7 (the sequential prophets, Oberheims, ARP...). FM has no way succeeded the typical subtractive synthesis of the analog machines.<p><i>source: I write 80s influenced music and collect synths </i>
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httpsterioover 4 years ago
FM (frequency modulating) synthesis in itself was rather groundbreaking. Typically when we&#x27;re talking about creating sounds, we mainly had additive and subtractive synthesis where stacking oscillators were used to shape sounds. FM uses oscillators to manipulate other oscillator&#x27;s waveforms, which opened up a whole lot of new possibilities.<p>The DX7 mainly was an affordable all-rounder that got loaded with a ton of already-good presets and a way of managing presets. Yamaha had already released the GS-1 three years prior, but obviously it didn&#x27;t remain in the books of history quite the same.<p>The Sega Genesis soundchip, YM2612 is also a great showcase on how different FM synthesis can sound compared to comparable competing consoles.<p>If anyone is interested, there&#x27;s a great open source soft synth called Dexed, which is compatible with DX7 soundbanks (and comes bundled with a lot of em). A free, fun way of getting a glimpse into FM synthesis and music production techniques of yore.
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musicaleover 4 years ago
I am a huge fan of FM synthesis popularized by the DX7, but the DX7 is only one of many highly influential synthesizers, and FM is only one of many influential synthesis approaches including modular, subtractive, additive, sampling, wavetable, hybrid, phase distortion and various forms of wave shaping, physical modeling, and others.<p>I would rank many other developments such as modular synthesis (e.g. Moog - think Switched on Bach etc. to modern Eurorack), subtractive analog (e.g. Sequential, Roland, Oberheim, etc.), hybrid and digital synths (e.g. Roland D-50, Korg M1), cheap Casio synths (from the VL-Tone to phase distortion), samplers (e.g. Fairlight, Emulator, etc.), analog (TR-808) and digital (Akai MPC) drum machines, not to mention monster systems like the Synclavier, supersaw synths like the JP-8000 and Access Virus (basically the sound of trance) as well as the rise of virtual analog synths, software instruments&#x2F;plugins, and DAWs to be similarly groundbreaking and influential. In many cases these instruments were keys to the development of genres of popular and electronic music (e.g. hip hop, techno, trance, modern EDM, etc..)<p>For 1980s popular music (and radio recognizability for instruments of that era) the DX7 should probably share the spotlight with the Sequential Prophet 5, Roland D-50 and probably others.
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musicaleover 4 years ago
It is true that the DX7 piano (among other presets) was on tons of songs, but so was&#x2F;is the Korg M1 piano sound which became the &quot;dance&#x2F;house&quot; piano of the 1990s. Its punchiness (basically compression, fast&#x2F;percussive attack, quick dropoff, and tinny aspect) of the sound worked perfectly, cutting through mixes and also working as a solo instrument, providing strong melodic&#x2F;harmonic&#x2F;rhythmic support without sounding overly harsh.<p>They&#x27;re clichés&#x2F;classics, now, but imitations (and samples) of both still abound.
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MrGandoover 4 years ago
The DX7 is indeed super important. The E. Piano preset is in like all the 80s cheesy ballads ever... but not only those. It was also used in Jazz (fusion) quite a bit. Hell, Chick Corea was a fan of the Synth (listen Electric City), also George Duke.<p>Even the big brands these days have sampled the DX E. piano, because if you&#x27;re a live performer it&#x27;s quite likely that you&#x27;ll need it if you&#x27;re playing anything from the 80s in your repertoire (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nordkeyboards.com&#x2F;sound-libraries&#x2F;nord-sample-library-archive&#x2F;synthesizers&#x2F;yamaha-dx7-mk-ii" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nordkeyboards.com&#x2F;sound-libraries&#x2F;nord-sample-li...</a>).<p>The DX 7 E.Piano is not a great &quot;E.Piano Sound&quot;, but it has a life of its own... :)<p>Source: Been playing Piano for 27 years and started on Synths ~22 yrs ago... first synth was an FM Korg X5D :)
TrackerFFover 4 years ago
I love the DX7.<p>It&#x27;s by no means a perfect synth, not anywhere close - but for certain sounds and styles, it really excels. Pain in the @ss to program at first (and later for that matter...), but for me, the bass and electric piano sounds are just wonderful, at least if you&#x27;re doing retro stuff, or 80&#x27;s cover tunes.
alfiedotwtfover 4 years ago
The DX7 is also the reason people flooded the market with all their classic analog synthesizer. These days, while a DX7 is about $800 Australian, an OG Jupiter 8 will set you back $30K AUD
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type0over 4 years ago
Korg recently released fm synth (Opsix) looks cool but I wonder where innovation in synthesis is nowdays? Interesting products like ASM hydrasynth have fantastic sound design possibilities but it still could be somewhat done in a DAW. The semimodular stuff can offer things for experimentation, I wish there were more digital semimodular affordable synths like Microfreak that would offer versatility and invite to experimentation.
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malthausover 4 years ago
If anyone is interested in playing around with FM (or PM), have a look at the Elektron Digitone.<p>It&#x27;s &quot;opinionated&quot;; something like Ruby on Rails for FM with some guardrails to keep you in the sweet spot of sounds mostly. FM can become quite metallic &#x2F; noisy quickly otherwise.<p>Additionally you get an interesting sequencer and audio over usb in a custom format and it doesn&#x27;t take up too much space. You can build small tracks completely on its own with it.<p>There are also really good DX7 software emulations on the market but i suggest something more beginner friendly; even back in the 80s the DX7 was a pain to program.<p>And theres a nice podcast episode about its ubiquity: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;switchedonpop.com&#x2F;episodes&#x2F;the-cyndi-lauper-conspiracy-sam-sanders-all-through-the-night" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;switchedonpop.com&#x2F;episodes&#x2F;the-cyndi-lauper-conspira...</a>
neonateover 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;Gap8m" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;Gap8m</a>
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mooglyover 4 years ago
It would be a crime to have an article about the DX7 and not mention one of the most famous DX7-slingers: Jens Johansson<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Ry_AP13ylVk?t=1147" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Ry_AP13ylVk?t=1147</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ocpi_saZQak&amp;t=1390" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ocpi_saZQak&amp;t=1390</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;6CJHt37ya88?t=33" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;6CJHt37ya88?t=33</a><p>Also a fellow geek. Happy to see his old page still up and running: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.panix.com&#x2F;~jens&#x2F;sect-index-brief.par" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.panix.com&#x2F;~jens&#x2F;sect-index-brief.par</a>
scnsover 4 years ago
I was astounded when i realized that the keyboard player of my favourite Psychedelic Rock band plays a DX7.<p>You can check them out here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smokemaster.bandcamp.com&#x2F;album&#x2F;smokemaster" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;smokemaster.bandcamp.com&#x2F;album&#x2F;smokemaster</a><p>Somehow affiliated, since the bassplayer and main songwriter is a friend of mine.<p>They might have some blue (1st press) and orange (2nd press) vinyls left to sell. If you want to get one and don&#x27;t want to feed the scalpers on discogs, send me a mail.<p>(edit: added last paragraph)
fxjover 4 years ago
The DX7 was the first of this kind of digital musical instruments. Every keyboarder at that time had to have one. They were pretty expensive, so Yamaha came out with some cheaper models with 4 oscillators instead of 6. The sound was also very good and the E-Rhodes is still a classic. But soon after that Roland came out with the D50 and that changed everything again, because now you could mix samples and digital oscillators. Yamahas answer to that was the SY77. A monster synth that nobody could program any more.
spinchangeover 4 years ago
Everyone arguing that the DX7 is NOT the most important commercial synth (for whatever reason) are ignoring one metric that every other synth maker, alive or dead, envies about it: its sales.
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rcarmoover 4 years ago
I’ve always wanted a DX7, and even though I already have Dexed and other emulations, I got myself a Reface DX - which is a little marvel on its own, and much handier to have around: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taoofmac.com&#x2F;space&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;08&#x2F;1430" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taoofmac.com&#x2F;space&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;08&#x2F;1430</a>
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memdiagover 4 years ago
This reminded me of &quot;How to vintage your synth&quot;, which features DX7:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eL_N3A5gVhQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eL_N3A5gVhQ</a>
IndySunover 4 years ago
What&#x27;s the HN soft rule about linking to soft paywalls?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;Gap8m" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;Gap8m</a><p>I lived through the DX7s arrival in to the recording studio. It sounded harsh, thin, very un-musical, vastly overpriced, and was dated then, and it still does. Never sounded &#x27;cool&#x27;. Recent software recreations flatter its legacy, which is a good thing.