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Why banning 'harmful' online speech is a slippery slope

26 pointsby undefined1over 4 years ago

5 comments

jschwartziover 4 years ago
Slippery slope is actually a kind of logical fallacy.<p>The author needs to prove that suppressing fascist speech actually has some kind of negative effect or that it leads to other kinds of speech being suppressed. You have to look at intent here to see whether the suppression will lead to a slippery slope. In this case, it&#x27;s not about suppressing speech it&#x27;s about removing people who act in bad faith.<p>On this forum we often suppress the speech of people we disagree with. And people get banned too. If we subscribe to the author&#x27;s point of view, then why do we have moderation or shadowbanning in the first place?
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GcVmvNhBsUover 4 years ago
Harmful online speech has not been banned. The outlets where one can express death threats, hate speech, and calls for insurrection have been decreased. Two very different things.
alkonautover 4 years ago
It’s called slippery slope <i>fallacy</i> for a reason.
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c1ccccc1over 4 years ago
I think the main problem here is that social media companies tend to have a near-monopoly, thanks to network effects. Readers want to be where the writers are, and writers want to be where the readers are. This puts the companies in a position of too much power. We may not shed any tears over the banning of racists making death threats, but things have moved on from that stage. Personally, I sure wish that Sci-Hub&#x27;s twitter account hadn&#x27;t been banned. Furthermore, people who value their privacy are de-facto banned from these platforms, since the platforms have chosen a model where people pay for the product in the form of their personal data and viewing of advertisements. The same service minus the ads and personal info gathering could be provided for a relatively small fee, but the above-mentioned network effects ensure that no competitors with this model will be able to survive.<p>I imagine that soon the conversation will turn to regulation. One possible path is to limit what kinds of things can be banned on the largest of the platforms. I can only see that path leading to a big political mess, where no one is happy in the end, and the folks who care about privacy are still screwed. I think the more promising path is to get rid of the monopoly aspect. Which means somehow getting rid of network effects. So, even if you use a Facebook competitor, you should still be able to friend people on Facebook, send them messages, read what they write, and they should be able to read what you write.<p>In other words, running a social media company should just mean defining a protocol, or implementing an existing one. The relevant regulations would say the following:<p>- The protocol must be public, with all details published online.<p>- Advance notice must be given of changes to the protocol, so that competitors have time to modify their code, and regulators have time to verify that the new version of the protocol is still legal. Only 1 set of changes can be pending at a time.<p>- The protocol should only require folks to transfer information that is absolutely required to make to protocol work. So Facebook can&#x27;t require you to send them your entire private message history in order to talk with someone on their platform. (They can still spy on their own users as much as they want, though.)<p>- Moderation is still allowed, but companies must apply the same moderation rules to their customers and competitors&#x27; customers. Facebook can still censor whatever posts they don&#x27;t like, but if they ban all accounts originating from their competitors, even the innocuous ones, they&#x27;ll have anti-trust knocking on their door.<p>- Ranking algorithms determining what people see in their feed, and any other code that mediates how users interact should also treat all users equally. (It can treat high-karma users differently from low-karma users, of course, but it must be possible for users from competitors to become high-karma.)<p>- These rules only apply to sufficiently large social media protocols (say, those used by over 10% of population in the country where these regulations are implemented). If you&#x27;re just running a small Q&amp;A forum for people who use your product, you can do whatever you want. (The rationale for this is that these rules are intended to prevent formation of monopolies. For protocols without tons of users, this is no problem.)
boxmonsterover 4 years ago
Ah yes, the old slippery slope argument. First they banned posts saying a man&#x27;s children should be skinned alive in front of him to teach him a lesson (actual post I saw on Parler) then they&#x27;re going to come for me making reasonable and acceptable by normal standards political arguments.
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