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Peering agreements between Backblaze and Cloudflare

243 pointsby decryptover 4 years ago

9 comments

cbg0over 4 years ago
Public internet exchanges are huge in Europe, you can basically reach every network in Europe by connecting to a few large exchanges for a fraction of what you&#x27;d pay for tier 1 transit (granted, you still probably need it to reach some eyeballs). I wish we&#x27;d see the same concept pop up in the US, as these exchanges are definitely not as popular there.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.de-cix.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;locations&#x2F;germany&#x2F;frankfurt&#x2F;statistics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.de-cix.net&#x2F;en&#x2F;locations&#x2F;germany&#x2F;frankfurt&#x2F;statis...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ams-ix.net&#x2F;ams&#x2F;documentation&#x2F;total-stats" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ams-ix.net&#x2F;ams&#x2F;documentation&#x2F;total-stats</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;portal.linx.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;portal.linx.net&#x2F;</a>
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erentzover 4 years ago
My brain is a bit fuzzy today but this comparison seems... off? Yes an interconnect inside a colo is going to be dirt cheap. But you can’t compare it to a huge backbone spanning continents that gives you reach across the world. Everyone should peer with everyone they can locally. Use the tier 1s for reach beyond what you can peer with. (This is not a defense of tier 1s and their peering policies or pricing.) Also this is why it’s always amused me when DC guys quote their raw switchport capacity with pride. Gotta multiply that by distance traveled to get a real comparable metric.
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3pt14159over 4 years ago
Disclaimer: My mum works for AT&amp;T on internet related stuff.<p>This post has large elements of truth to it, especially for dumb hops over tier 1 which should be much cheaper than they&#x27;re currently billed, but there&#x27;s a <i>lot</i> more going on at AT&amp;T than most people realize. Especially across the oceans. It&#x27;s not quite as simplistic as this take makes it out to be, since the 5%ile case for networking a packet over tier 1 really is expensive to handle, maintain, bill, and provision.<p>That said, there should be better regulations on tier 1 inclusion. On the other hand, they did make deep investments into infrastructure that took decades to become profitable. Often times with government assurances. It&#x27;s one of the reasons telephony had such high penetration in Canada (75%) at a time when it was much lower in France (~25%), Bell was given assurances that we&#x27;re now paying for in more expensive internet. Not saying it&#x27;s right, but it&#x27;s like this for understandable reasons, and it&#x27;s not strictly raw corruption.
Dylan16807over 4 years ago
&gt; Ok, so here is my proof that the &quot;tier 1&quot; networks are over charging: if Backblaze routes a packet over the &quot;tier 1&quot; network is comes down to about 2&#x2F;10ths of 1 penny per GByte. That&#x27;s $0.002&#x2F;GByte.<p>That roughly matches the information I&#x27;ve been able to find when looking into transit pricing.<p>And then AWS&#x2F;Azure&#x2F;GCP gouge you to an absolutely ridiculous extent even beyond that.
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phononover 4 years ago
Why doesn&#x27;t Cloudflare buy GTT? They can easily afford to.
j16sdizover 4 years ago
I always thought peer agreements are under NDA. Surprise to see they talk openly.
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2Gkashmiriover 4 years ago
so why do vps providers provide a &quot;1-3&quot;TB a month transfer when it costs nothing? talking about cheap plans here
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Bkmhfdtybover 4 years ago
From what I have read, these networking centric companies have a reputation for noncompetitive pay. Is this true? They otherwise sound like great places to work.
2Gkashmiriover 4 years ago
so i want to start a peertube server, what storage is best, size and ample bandwidth. $0.01&#x2F;Gb is too much for transfers....<p>oh, wasabi is not for video, i tried