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A worker owned (co-op) store for sustainable products

122 pointsby vivekmgeorgeover 4 years ago

18 comments

dangover 4 years ago
Signup pages can&#x27;t be Show HNs. There needs to be something that readers can actually try out for themselves. Please read the rules: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;showhn.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;showhn.html</a><p>I&#x27;ve taken Show HN out of the title now.
satvikpendemover 4 years ago
I posted this on another comment, but it might be relevant here as well. Basically, make a better product than Amazon in order to win, people don&#x27;t usually care about the organizational structure of the company.<p>---<p>I am reminded of OpenHunt, an open source version of Product Hunt that was made. The only value proposition was that it was open source, but it shut down precisely because users didn&#x27;t care about that, they cared whether it had enough cool products (as a consumer) and enough traffic (as a submitter).<p>Here&#x27;s one post-mortem: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10940729" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10940729</a><p>&gt; OpenHunt tried solving a problem for the content makers without providing any additional benefit to the content consumers.<p>&gt; It&#x27;s a nice, heart-warming mission. But in the end of the day, content is king, that&#x27;s what consumers want.<p>&gt; There have been many examples of people rallying around a &quot;free and open&quot; version of a service. They fail to realize that the end consumer barely cares. Look at voat (Reddit), app.net (Twitter), Diaspora (Facebook), even ycreject.com (Y Combinator) tried to be a thing for a while.<p>&gt; If someone is able to make it &quot;free and open&quot; while also making it a better experience than the alternative, then it&#x27;ll be a big success. But so far everyone gets that wrong.
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foxhopover 4 years ago
Hey thanks for setting this meeting up. I think I finally found my tribe.<p>Let me introduce myself, firstly I&#x27;m a gardener trying to grow my own food (using many principles such as no dig vegetable beds, Permaculture food forestry, systems thinking) and I&#x27;m also an engineer &#x2F; bootstrapper.<p>If this is of interest to you I have a YouTube channel here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;RussellBallestrini" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;RussellBallestrini</a><p>I&#x27;ve RSVP&#x27;d and I look forward to speaking with the team and making sure people align on vision and a co-operative path forward!
opheliateover 4 years ago
This is definitely interesting, but I feel it&#x27;s already somewhat lacking in terms of transparency, which is obviously fundamental to the success of a worker co-op.<p>From FAQ 3, the event is &quot;free&quot;, but on closer inspection, when trying to RSVP, the free tickets are actually all gone, and you&#x27;re required to make a &quot;contribution&quot; of at least $5 to get a ticket. That&#x27;s totally cool, I accept that if there were an infinite number of free tickets it wouldn&#x27;t be manageable, but I can&#x27;t find any information at all on how many free tickets there were, or how many are available at each tier. (In the nicest possible way of saying this) I haven&#x27;t heard of you before, and I have no reason to think that the lack of free tickets at this point isn&#x27;t artificial scarcity to try to coerce me into paying for access to this &quot;free&quot; event. I&#x27;d like to think that&#x27;s not the case, but without a clearer picture of the scale, it&#x27;s a bitter pill to swallow, and doesn&#x27;t instil confidence as to the future direction of the project.<p>Or maybe I&#x27;m missing something obvious, I&#x27;d be delighted to be wrong here.
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Ericson2314over 4 years ago
You talk a lot about environmentalism, but Americans basically have no idea what Co Ops are for (why isn&#x27;t the workplace supposed to be democratic like our other institutions?) and if they have any connotations at all, associate with jointly owned shoddy buildings or nostalgic low-tech cottage industry type stuff.<p>I might give that stuff more billing, especially given that Amazon is aiming to be the GOAT conglomerate that that should scare people just like global warming does.
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zefhousover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m pretty interested in this type of thing and am concerned with the current state-of-the-art of online shopping surrounding these issues.<p>One thing that I&#x27;ve been thinking about a lot is the difficulty in defining what &quot;sustainable&quot; means. One point on the page that I saw and liked is this:<p>&gt; Make it easy for consumers to buy every day, high-quality household goods that are made of the most sustainable materials and in an environmentally conscious way.<p>I think one of the aspects of &quot;high-quality&quot; goods that should be considered is durability and repairability. The end-of-life treatment of goods is a big problem in our society. I would encourage repairability to be a factor in considering what goods are carried. And beyond that, perhaps something could be done to encourage the repair or reclamation of old products that are no longer wanted, but still have value — though perhaps that would be out of the scope of this project.<p>Another aspect in which I think you could really improve on is in the area of returns. Where Amazon has been known to destroy, trash, or recycle perfectly good items that are returned, I think having some good, transparent practices here would an important aspect of meeting the goal of sustainability.<p>I&#x27;m excited to see how things progress!
srousseyover 4 years ago
I’m a fan of grove.co for many of the reasons you outline here (though a b-corp not a co-op).<p>Is this an idea + splash page? Or have you found products and sell something somewhere?
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vivekmgeorgeover 4 years ago
*UPDATE*<p>Hey everyone! The response to this post has been really great and encouraging. Unfortunately we had to close our general admission bc the response was too much for a zoom call...oops! If you want to stay in touch or interested, but can&#x27;t buy a ticket at this point please check out our google form. Thank you!! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;forms&#x2F;d&#x2F;e&#x2F;1FAIpQLSdhUEMiZnaWbHAhhioCuB4MotsYf1Mo3NVIEe-FFK0ptYi3Zg&#x2F;viewform?usp=sf_link" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;forms&#x2F;d&#x2F;e&#x2F;1FAIpQLSdhUEMiZnaWbHAhhioC...</a><p>------<p>Hey folks, I&#x27;m Vivek! I&#x27;m excited to share my vision for ending the plastic epidemic and The Sustainable CO-OP Store.<p>Our vision is to create an Amazon-like online store, along with a physical location, but only for sustainable friendly products.<p>Instead of building this startup as a traditional investor-backed company, we have decided to create it as a worked-own cooperative. There are many reasons why worker-owned co-ops are amazing. Greater financial equality between all workers, increased business stability, a democratic workplace, community-centric and much more. Still, the thing that I believe is most powerful about a worker-owned co-op is that it&#x27;s mission-driven over financially driven.<p>When we complain about how farms use various chemicals in our food or how social media companies are continually trying to get us to use their apps, it&#x27;s because these companies are under pressure to grow their profits--quarter after quarter, year after year. They have investors who demand growth, which often forces them to compromise their products and services to meet these demands.<p>Worker-owned co-ops generally don&#x27;t have those same pressures because the workers, not the investors, own the business. And because the workers get paid a salary or wages, they aren&#x27;t stressed whether the company grows or not. They instead can focus on whatever they determine is most important, whether that be job security, profitability, the product, or something else.<p>We have our first general meeting tonight, and we&#x27;re looking for folks who are passionate about the environment and may be interested in getting involved (it isn&#x27;t a full-time thing yet). For this idea to succeed, having a few enthusiastic software developers will be essential. If this sounds like you, this meeting will be of interest.<p>I hope to see you tonight! Thank you<p>PS. If you want to learn more clearly about the difference between a startup and a co-op, I made a video on YouTube. Enjoy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=cNJupnV6SgA&amp;t=6s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=cNJupnV6SgA&amp;t=6s</a>
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vivekmgeorgeover 4 years ago
Hey everyone! The response to this post has been really great and encouraging. Unfortunately we had to close our general admission bc the response was too much for a zoom call...oops! If you want to stay in touch or interested, but can&#x27;t buy a ticket at this point please check out our google form. Thank you!! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;forms&#x2F;d&#x2F;e&#x2F;1FAIpQLSdhUEMiZnaWbHAhhioCuB4MotsYf1Mo3NVIEe-FFK0ptYi3Zg&#x2F;viewform?usp=sf_link" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.google.com&#x2F;forms&#x2F;d&#x2F;e&#x2F;1FAIpQLSdhUEMiZnaWbHAhhioC...</a>
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juljun14over 4 years ago
I like this! When consumers purchase products from a business, the consumers are starting to care about how the revenue dollars are being spent; it&#x27;s an indirect way for the consumers to help out the environment.
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offtop5over 4 years ago
What is this.<p>I would of been down to order something like a mug to help out , but I can&#x27;t find anything to buy.
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S33Vover 4 years ago
Looks like the free tier tickets are sold out, but the wording on the page makes it seem like there shouldn&#x27;t be any gating from signing up on the free level.<p>Please let me know if it opens up again!
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thieving_magpieover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m interested but looks like at this point you have to pay to attend. Seems like a strange model.<p>If you open up the meeting to more folks without requiring a donation let me know!
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kaycebasquesover 4 years ago
&gt; I&#x27;m excited to invite you to the first general meeting of a new worker-owned CO-OP (cooperative) business aimed at making it easy for the masses to shop sustainable friendly products.<p>&quot;The masses&quot; is a somewhat dehumanizing phrase.
parulover 4 years ago
Great initiative! Need more of these. Sharing with friends.
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citilifeover 4 years ago
Isn&#x27;t that kind of like REI in terms of setup?
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hindsightbiasover 4 years ago
Anyone created a Cloud Coop?
AdrianB1over 4 years ago
From the marketing people I worked with, I learned to always ask: &quot;what is the reason to believe?&quot;. I don&#x27;t find anything yet, it sounds too generic like &quot;I want peace in the world&quot; which is great, but not actionable. The &quot;worker owned&quot; part repeated several times sounds like a shot at communisms or kibbutz, that will drive some people away.
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