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Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

1056 pointsby icpmacdoover 4 years ago

104 comments

dangover 4 years ago
For pointers to other active and&#x2F;or recent vertices of this story graph, see <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25933543" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25933543</a>.<p>As for this thread, it&#x27;s got 500+ comments. If you want to see them all you&#x27;ll need to click through the More links at the bottom, or like this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25935511&amp;p=2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25935511&amp;p=2</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25935511&amp;p=3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25935511&amp;p=3</a>
jugover 4 years ago
It does feel like a watershed moment regarding hedge funds. This is the first time netizens capitalize on hedge fund short favorites and it has been surprisingly easy to cause an absolute catastrophy in the order of billion losses for them. I heard Melvin Capital may even have gone bankrupt?<p>And how to do it? You get people to invest in a stock that is expected by the industry to go belly up. Seriously. It&#x27;s that easy. It&#x27;s not illegal. It&#x27;s so easy that even semiprofessionals can understand exactly which stock are hedge fund favorites. It&#x27;s not hard information to come by. And, here&#x27;s the kicker: There is a potential monetary reward if you enter and exit a stock at the right moment.<p>So it&#x27;s simple to discover and execute, and there is a financial incentive, and it&#x27;s not against the law. This is a trifecta of properties that makes this very interesting to follow indeed.<p>I just saw this article too: As hedge funds try to cover losses, the rings are now spreading over the market: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2021-01-26&#x2F;hedge-funds-fighting-short-raids-now-getting-hit-on-bullish-bets" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2021-01-26&#x2F;hedge-fun...</a><p>The author speculates that this might even ultimately trigger a market correction.
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Semaphorover 4 years ago
For those wondering why the sub went private for a time:<p>&gt; We have grown to the kind of size we only dreamed of in the time it takes to get a bad nights sleep. We&#x27;ve got so many comments and submissions that we can&#x27;t possibly even read them all, let alone act on them as moderators. We wrote software to do most of the moderation for us but that software isn&#x27;t allowed to read the Reddit new feed fast enough and submit responses, and the admins haven&#x27;t given us special access despite asking for it.<p>-- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6j4r9&#x2F;where_do_we_go_from_here_and_who_is_going_to_step&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6j4r9&#x2F;wher...</a>
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rvzover 4 years ago
Here come the deplatforming (again). This time &#x2F;r&#x2F;wsb is the &#x27;enemy&#x27;. Media reports it and causes the paper hands to panic; This is what the large short sellers want.<p>Are they sure that &#x27;deplatforming works&#x27; this time? (The have already assembled on &#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbetsnew)<p>For the tech platforms, the mainstream media, social media, etc they might as well ban every single person off of the internet at this point.<p>As for GME, just put on your diamond-grade hands for once and hold until Friday&#x27;s squeeze.<p>EDIT:<p>The sub-reddit is back. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets</a>
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NotPavlovsDogover 4 years ago
This is really exciting, feels like open standards, independent internet is going to continue getting extreme motivation to expand and establish, with private &quot;freedom of speech&quot; censorship by for-profit platforms.<p>We&#x27;re going to see more fragmentation, and growth of closed platforms perceived by users as &quot;slightly less evil&quot; such as telegram vs watsapp. This may also motivate the return to truly open internet ideals of the past.
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ve55over 4 years ago
And they chose <i>today</i> as the best possible time to enact this ban? Really?<p>I really think they should have put more thought into the timing of this decision; a lot of users are going to be upset and will suddenly start to realize that a single company has a monopoly on their online social life (this may seem like an exaggeration, but it feels quite true to me colloquially, especially if you&#x27;re a younger US male and&#x2F;or play video games).<p>Regardless of how right or wrong this moderation choice may be, I hope that this accelerates the push for decentralization and encryption; the few companies that virtually all online humans use to communicate have far too much power over us, and we should be more willing to recognize that extreme centralization of power is dangerous.<p>(One final note: (EDIT: subreddit is now public again) now that this caused the subreddit to be set to private which seems to have instantly caused $GME to start tanking in AH, they are going to be in for users that are <i>much more upset</i> than they are used to if the narrative decides that this ban caused the crash, if it does in fact last until tomorrow)
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BelenusMordredover 4 years ago
For all the uneasy feelings I get about the triggerhappy banning by these platforms, there&#x27;s probably a light at end of the tunnel. Boot enough people and the better alternatives might actually flourish with network effects.
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brinkover 4 years ago
Wouldn&#x27;t it be nice if Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.. banned everyone, and humanity was forced to go back to a pre-social-media lifestyle.
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cikover 4 years ago
There is some brilliant analysis on WSB, some rubbish - the usual. But there was great analysis on this post a few hours ago:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6n4ay&#x2F;the_biggest_risk_we_face_and_why_its_nothing_to&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6n4ay&#x2F;the_...</a><p>Assuming it (like others) gets taken down, here&#x27;s a copy+paste with some cleanup:<p>&lt;snip&gt;<p>Note that Discord has had significant investment from private equity funds including FirstMark Capital, Greenoaks Capital Partners, Index Ventures, IVP, Greylock Partners, Benchmark, Accel, General Catalyst, Ridge Ventures, Spark Capital, and Tencent Holdings. At least one of these firms has invested with Point72 Ventures, which recently helped Melvin Capital. So it&#x27;s not too surprising that strings were pulled to get the Discord channel banned for &quot;hate speech&quot; (which is a very useful brush to tar anyone with, as anyone who challenges it can easily be dismissed as a nazi).<p>&lt;snip&gt;<p>Reddit is owned by Advance Publications, which is owned by Donald Newhouse and the Newhouse family (some details here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Donald_Newhouse" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Donald_Newhouse</a>). Fortunately, Newhouse&#x27;s family office (think a private hedge fund dedicated to investing just the family&#x27;s money) is pretty far removed from the hedge fund world afaik. The family office&#x27;s CIO (details here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.institutionalinvestor.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;b1g6j2tztzpb3t&#x2F;A-New-CIO-for-One-of-America-s-Richest-Families" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.institutionalinvestor.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;b1g6j2tztzpb3t...</a>) got her career started in the investment bank world and did not work for hedge funds, at least according to her Linkedin profile. So the Donaldson family has limited motive to stick their necks out and force a ban of this subreddit.<p>&lt;snip&gt;
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kginover 4 years ago
I have no doubt the timing was extremely intentional.
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CivBaseover 4 years ago
&gt; Discord says it did not ban the server for financial fraud — rather, it was banned because it continued to allow “hateful and discriminatory content after repeated warnings.”<p>If only Discord - a centralized, online platform - had the power to ban individual users. Too bad. The only reasonable action was to shut down the entire server. That&#x27;s all they could have possibly done. I&#x27;m sure the timing was just coincidental.
johncessnaover 4 years ago
&gt;Discord says it did not ban the server for financial fraud — rather, it was banned because it continued to allow “hateful and discriminatory content after repeated warnings.”<p>Funny how that works. If they&#x27;re not careful, people might start to think &#x27;Hate Speech&#x27; could be misused to pursue an agenda. &#x27;It&#x27;s not that I disagree with what they are doing, they should have just called each other assholes instead of the X word so now the whole thing has to go&#x27;
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liquidifyover 4 years ago
I think it is complete crap that companies using legal platform protections can ban people by arbitrarily declaring speech they don&#x27;t like as hate speech. There should be legal requirements that any companies which enjoy platform protections must prove in a court of law that speech can accurately be classified as hateful before banning anyone.
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raszover 4 years ago
&gt;“hateful and discriminatory content after repeated warnings.”<p>banned for posting memes like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;NorthmanTrader&#x2F;status&#x2F;1354390735425036288&#x2F;photo&#x2F;1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;NorthmanTrader&#x2F;status&#x2F;135439073542503628...</a>
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walrus01over 4 years ago
The description of wallstreetbets is literally &quot;as if 4chan found a bloomberg terminal&quot;, so I don&#x27;t know what else anyone expected other than 4chan-like-behavior.
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Grimm1over 4 years ago
They&#x27;re back up at Reddit.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6j4r9&#x2F;where_do_we_go_from_here_and_who_is_going_to_step&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6j4r9&#x2F;wher...</a>
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kortillaover 4 years ago
It’s laughable that discord does this under the guise of “preventing the spread of misinformation” and stopping the glorification of violence. Presumably they’ll ban anyone playing first person shooters next and any games that aren’t historically accurate?<p>Stupidest fucking catch-all excuse I’ve heard yet. It would save everyone some time if these services just said, “we’ll kick you off if the mood strikes us.”
zuhayeerover 4 years ago
The Reddit just got set to private too: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets</a>
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thepasswordisover 4 years ago
Remember: they just want to ban the BAD guys. It’s just the bad guys they’re going to go after. They will never go after you as long as you’re the good guys.<p>How much do you think it would cost to pay the top mod of &#x2F;r&#x2F;wsb (which is now private) to make the sub private? How much to some discord admins to ban the discord?<p>Is that amount more or less than the billions these hedgies were losing?
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Tenokeover 4 years ago
The subreddit is as of now private, too.<p>Edit: for the curious, according to my open tabs minutes before going private the sub had &#x27;3,218,594 readers. 778,127 users here now&#x27;<p>Edit2: The sub is back online and up to &#x27;3,577,830 readers&#x27; and counting.
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neimanover 4 years ago
They banned them for “hateful and discriminatory content” which Discord coincidentally noticed only after r&#x2F;WallStreetBets became a major financial actor.<p>But there&#x27;s no connection here, nope. Pure coincidence.
astineover 4 years ago
For those of us not in the know, what is so special about today regarding WSB? I know there&#x27;s a feud with short sellers going on, but I haven&#x27;t been following the details.
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motohagiographyover 4 years ago
Nice one Discord, you just radicalized 2 million WSB subscribers and everyone else who hears about it. Well done.
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ClumsyPilotover 4 years ago
This is what we get with &#x27;it&#x27;s a private company, it does what it wants&quot; - callous and capriciois behaviour at best, possibly fraud and corruption.<p>Our social media firms have no obligation to the public, no matter how many people rely on them.<p>Consider that 35 Bn are on the line, whichever way the domino falls.<p>Closing a discord in exchange for financial favours later down the line is not even a crime.<p>You could hire people or bots to flood the channels with garbage or porn, and get them banned on purpose.
Simulacraover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m really bothered by Discord banning WSB. It&#x27;s almost petty, like saying that a group of people shouldn&#x27;t even be allowed to talk to one another because they&#x27;re too dangerous. It seems like a lot of technology companies are doing all they can to keep people - many stripes of people - from congregating and sharing ideas. I wonder what would happen if these same WSB folks got together in person ... oh..right, they can&#x27;t. So they can&#x27;t talk online. Can&#x27;t gather in person. Can&#x27;t use social media. It&#x27;s almost like there&#x27;s a concerted effort to silence people....
Tychoover 4 years ago
I think the problem here is pretty obvious: we have laws and norms about hate <i>speech</i>, but why do we have nothing to prevent hate <i>reading</i>?. Why do we allow people to seek out and absorb hateful ideas and opinions? It&#x27;s the intellectual equivalent of financing terrorism and the people engaging it are escaping justice. It&#x27;s a huge blindspot for society. Who knows how much harm is caused by this &#x27;dark thought&#x27; in every day life, as the rest of us unwittingly engage with these individuals, assuming they are not motivated by any sort of forbidden information.
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tracyhenryover 4 years ago
It seems like the subreddit has gone back up: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6j4r9&#x2F;where_do_we_go_from_here_and_who_is_going_to_step&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;wallstreetbets&#x2F;comments&#x2F;l6j4r9&#x2F;wher...</a>
shiadoover 4 years ago
This is that scene in all the casino movies where the person who found a system to win gets taken into the office by security and given a stern warning&#x2F;beatdown.
Jerry2over 4 years ago
I hope this invigorates even more people to start their own sites and communities and free themselves from the tyranny of the Silicon Valley oligarchs.
ranmanover 4 years ago
Are they going to return the server boost $?<p>They&#x27;re well within their rights to ban it and it was hella toxic in there... but... they should give those people the remaining time or $ on their boosts back.<p>Otherwise that&#x27;s basically stealing.
AnimalMuppetover 4 years ago
They&#x27;ll ban you when you&#x27;re talking politics, They&#x27;ll ban you when you&#x27;re trying to get your licks, They&#x27;ll ban you when you try to make a buck, They&#x27;ll ban you and say it&#x27;s just your luck, But don&#x27;t feel so all alone, Everybody will get banned.<p>(With apologies to Bob Dylan...)<p>Serious point, though: They can decide to ban (almost?) anyone at any point. They will state a justification, but it looks a lot like banning anyone whenever they decide to.
gorgoilerover 4 years ago
This is how we end up with the trolls trying to turn the :ok: symbol into hate speech.<p><i>...which reminds me: I need to start a letter writing campaign complaining to Apple about peddling sexual imagery (:aubergine:) to minors.</i>
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markdownover 4 years ago
With his r&#x2F;WallStreetBets posts and comments hidden (due to the sub going private), it&#x27;s interesting to see the u&#x2F;DeepFuckingValue&#x27;s comments[1] from a year ago:<p>The guy has turned $50k into $50M in the one year since those first comments were made, with half of that made yesterday.<p>[1]. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;deepfuckingvalue" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;deepfuckingvalue</a>
rzz3over 4 years ago
Next maybe we can just ban Hacker News. I’ve heard some people there _actively promote_ making it harder to censor things on the internet.
curiousllamaover 4 years ago
In all fairness, the reddit got absolutely flooded with new, unwanted, pump-and-dump _crap_ over the past few days... I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if this were a reaction less to GME and more to randos loudly announcing the laws they were breaking
Nextgridover 4 years ago
Discord, which is funded fully by &quot;growth and engagement&quot;, aka has no real product to sell and has employed enough people &amp; burnt too much money to not be sustainable on a $1&#x2F;month&#x2F;user fee (even though this would be enough to sustain the operation at scale), is now trying to appeal to potential future investors and&#x2F;or their friends or business partners by banning the WSB &quot;server&quot;.
cccc4allover 4 years ago
This is Censorship with capital C.<p>Anyone that claims that Discord is private company and can do whatever they want, read the room.<p>Discord did this because they were likely afraid of negative government attention, SEC, IRS, FTC, FCC etc.<p>If a private company censors because it thinks that&#x27;s what the government regulators want them to censor, is it really private company just doing &quot;moderation&quot;?
Triv888over 4 years ago
I think that &#x2F;r&#x2F;wsb got 500k new subscribers today, and maybe about 1.5M in the last week.<p>Corporate America is getting scary... I think that their actions could be initiated by the U.S. Government...<p>edit: 1 hour later, ~250k more subscribers... (3,754,326 readers as of 21:05 EST)
swaysonover 4 years ago
The censorship behaviour highlights that BTC appears to be the only remaining asset class without centralised institutional control.
enwover 4 years ago
How long will people endure the censorship?<p>Is it just me or am I seeing more subtle revolt against this persistent, opaque censorship on the Internet?<p>I&#x27;m trying to stay down-to-Earth, but it honestly seems to be getting out of control with Google, Twitter, et al.
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oarsover 4 years ago
Fascinating. Is Discord connected to Melvin Capital in anyway?
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dmingod666over 4 years ago
Anyone who&#x27;s committed a &#x27;sin&#x27; should be banished from the community.<p>Guess now in a few hundred years cycle again and we&#x27;ll discover the legal system and curtail the power of the new church. History repeats.
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skillpassover 4 years ago
I notice certain pattern among some internet communities.<p>Extreme hype &#x2F; popularity around a community, followed by degeneration (or increased visibility of prior degeneracy) of that community, followed by bans and&#x2F;or deplatforming. Off the top of my head FatPeopleHate, TheDonald, and recently Parler are prior examples, I bet there are others though.<p>WallStreetBets seems like it&#x27;s heading down a similar path. In fact, I bet a lot of the people in these communities overlap, though I have no proof.
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ellyaggover 4 years ago
Good to see that the establishment&#x27;s broad and growing power to censor speech won&#x27;t be abused. We&#x27;re in good hands.
sickygnarover 4 years ago
Someone likely paid the platforms and&#x2F;or admins to take them down
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LockAndLolover 4 years ago
They can host their own matrix server... It&#x27;s not that hard. Then they won&#x27;t have to whine about deplatforming. When will they learn? Companies aren&#x27;t your friends: the bottom line is.<p>If they wanted to have an anonymous server, they could host it on I2P and provide instructions on how to connect.
johnsmithaddrover 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit-wallstreetbets.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit-wallstreetbets.com&#x2F;</a><p>I have put together this new forum&#x2F;communiy website where we could talk without being censored by reddit or other political interests. I know it is a small efort to create a new account, and start a conversation, but in a very short period of time, we will be free forever. Please share and bring all your friends. Enough is enough, we need to be in control of our lives and ideas.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit-wallstreetbets.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reddit-wallstreetbets.com&#x2F;</a><p>Please share and bring all your friends tomorrow. We can move out of this and be in control of our lives
faebiover 4 years ago
I argue it was another issue. The community got too big for discord to handle as of now. My iPad app got completely unresponsive and I could not use discord anymore at all. I assume similar situations depending on the clients.
nickikover 4 years ago
That&#x27;s what Matrix is for. They should have the money to pay for one at least.
at_a_removeover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve seen Discord ban any number of subcultures (and then play whack-a-mole with the survivors) based on a lot of hand-waving about &quot;harm&quot; and such.<p>Sometimes I really miss IRC, but people keep abandoning it for Discord.
vbezhenarover 4 years ago
I hope that those bans will reveal to more people, that Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and, now, Discord are rotten platforms. Hopefully that will create enough demand to let truly free competitors rise up.
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randmeerkatover 4 years ago
This is exactly why I think we’re in late stage capitalism. The economy has become so toxic that an army of retail investors has to yolo their money to try to realize an economic advantage in their lives. When retail investors finally do find a crack in the economic system and make some money, the regulatory body that never cared about the banks and their fraud in 2008, and the corporate enterprises that didn’t broadcast occupy Wall Street, all turn around and try to stop the momentum of WSB. The hypocrisy of it all is unbelievable.
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konjinover 4 years ago
The subreddit is also ~banned~ private.<p>A good time to shill Aether :<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getaether.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getaether.net&#x2F;</a><p>Like reddit, but decentralized and distributed.<p>They even have a wsb sub.
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belvalover 4 years ago
I wonder if we&#x27;ve entered an new part of history with regard to moderation and enforcement of rules online.<p>I disliked Trump, parler and the kind of alt-right shit you could find on Twitter, but by using their right to ban anyone, I think Facebook and Twitter showed that there was no repercussion to censoring&#x2F;deplatforming users that did not align with their internal values and now we will see those events become much more common as companies become risk averse with regard to the kind of content they host.
lostloginover 4 years ago
This thread might have the most downvoted comments I have ever seen here. It’s massively polarising. Discord, Reddit and freedom of speech - a potent brew.
peanut_wormover 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t think there is any good justification for this
josteinkover 4 years ago
If discord can ban it, then it’s not really a “server” is it?<p>It’s an <i>account</i> on discord’s SaaS platform.<p>If you want a server you actually control, go matrix.<p>Nobody can ban you then.
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f430over 4 years ago
this can&#x27;t be a coincidence. r&#x2F;wallstreetbets has gone private!<p>is this because of the SEC??? or are we witnessing a Godfather 2 ending where Michael whacks everybody just before the credits roll?<p>Something is incredibly fishy about this, the ban and subreddit going private happened not too far from each other.<p>Really worried about what will happen on Friday, there is no way to read the wsb subreddit anymore!
robomartinover 4 years ago
I said this before [0] and will say it again: The tech community will some day regret wielding this kind of power.<p>It&#x27;s about loss of trust, which is, perhaps, one of the most delicate things in the universe.<p>Now everyone in the world knows, in no uncertain terms, that your person, business, website, cause, discussion board, advertising capabilities, email, online documents and tools can evaporate and be taken away and shut down, with you and your business destroyed overnight.<p>That&#x27;s the world we live in today.<p>This, BTW, has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. WSB was not about politics.<p>I thought this GME &quot;event&quot; might result in much-needed introspection and changes in the financial community. If you didn&#x27;t catch Chamath Palihapitiya&#x27;s interview on CNBC&#x27;s &quot;Halftime Report&quot; today you should take the time to watch it. I couldn&#x27;t find the full interview (easily 20 to 30 minutes long) or I would have posted a link (this is the closest I found [1]). He clearly goes over some of what he thinks might have motivated the GME event. I agree with quite a bit, if not all, of what he said.<p>Part of me hopes that folks now cutoff from WSB will revolt against this and continue on their mission.<p>Full disclosure: I hold non-directional positions on GME. In English, I make money whether it goes up or down...so I don&#x27;t care which way it goes.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25878457" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25878457</a> [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;27&#x2F;billionaire-investor-chamath-palihapitiya-on-gamestop-surge-and-rise-of-retail-investors.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;video&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;27&#x2F;billionaire-investor-c...</a><p>BTW #2: This isn&#x27;t to say that such things as porn and other online conducts and content might not be in a range between objectionable to net-negative to criminal in different parts of the world. The issue is with platforms placing themselves in the position of being arbitrers of what&#x27;s purity, values, truth and righteousness. If that&#x27;s what they want to be they need to be financially and legally responsible for what they do not moderate. We have laws to deal with the criminal elements among us.<p>BTW #3: (sorry for the edits). This is also a case of famous Martin Niemöller poem [2]:<p>&quot;First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.<p>Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.<p>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.<p>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.&quot;<p>Everyone was thrilled when they came for Trump and Parler. Now they are coming for someone else. The question is: Who&#x27;s next and where does it end?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;encyclopedia.ushmm.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;encyclopedia.ushmm.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;martin-nie...</a>
wintorezover 4 years ago
It&#x27;s time we get back to basics: irc
GizmoSwanover 4 years ago
reddit has a bad snuffing habit that is only getting worse.<p>The stock related discussions has been actually more overlooked. They are typically tolerated and rarely monitored closely.<p>Reddit is controlled via various cults and they control not just their own subs but also others belonging to other groups.
99_00over 4 years ago
I&#x27;d ban them too. Not worth my company being dumped by their cloud provider or the app being banned because they ruffled the wrong feathers.<p>The parlor lesson has been learned. I won&#x27;t stick my neck out for principle when it ends up bankrupting my company and having the masses hate me.<p>Not worth it.
the_only_lawover 4 years ago
The subreddit seems to be private atm.
xenihnover 4 years ago
For anyone who is confused, this will answer all of your questions:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;avalonpenrose&#x2F;status&#x2F;1354496683938201600" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;avalonpenrose&#x2F;status&#x2F;1354496683938201600</a>
foofoo4uover 4 years ago
Is there a resource I can read or a video I can watch that can give an overview of what&#x27;s going on here? I keep seeing articles about WSB, Gamestop and the market. But I don&#x27;t quite understand what is going on and why.
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ibraheemdevover 4 years ago
UPDATE - The server is now back up: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25948101" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25948101</a>
syspecover 4 years ago
Looks like people are migrating to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Wallstreetbetsnew&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;Wallstreetbetsnew&#x2F;</a>
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baneover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m really curious in how much money was needed to pump the price the stock up this much. If it&#x27;s relatively little, it really points to a flaw in the stock market system.
mberningover 4 years ago
Oh my god I hate censorship now.<p>But in all seriousness, if they are breaking the law they should be charged. If not then let these institutional investors clean up their own mess.
thrwn_frthr_awyover 4 years ago
FWIW the subreddit did not go private. It was temporarily turned off because the load was affecting Reddit as a whole. It lasted less than 30 minutes.
nickthemagicmanover 4 years ago
The puritans among us have been trying to keep the language clean for centuries. Wasn&#x27;t Huckleberry Finn banned at one point.<p>Librarians have been fighting the same battle as well.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ala.org&#x2F;advocacy&#x2F;bbooks&#x2F;frequentlychallengedbooks&#x2F;classics" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ala.org&#x2F;advocacy&#x2F;bbooks&#x2F;frequentlychallengedbooks...</a><p>There&#x27;s a reason Signal got 40 million people in a week.<p>Seems like free speech platforms all the way down to the infrastructure level would be great investments to build right now.
kmfrkover 4 years ago
Was the server partnered? Partner servers are subject to stricter scrutiny (ie the don&#x27;t-make-us-look-bad-in-public rule).
fellellorover 4 years ago
This is pretty fucked up, even for these guys.
rmmover 4 years ago
Subreddit is back
shadowbanned69over 4 years ago
New non-discord chat server for WSB <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatte.rs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chatte.rs</a>
majortennisover 4 years ago
Theres quite a few crypto pump and dump groups they should remove IMO , they&#x27;re all scams
HNfriend234over 4 years ago
Looks like there is another alternate communities springing up. Found this one: wsbets.win
djvu9over 4 years ago
Think of it as the culture revolution of the digital age.<p>If you cheered for Twitter shutting down Trump, or Amazon kicking out Parler, you shouldn&#x27;t be surprised for this.
gaddersover 4 years ago
Looks like we have one group of billionaires defending another, as per usual.
ketamine__over 4 years ago
Did Melvin actually close their positions? Some are claiming they haven&#x27;t.
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ddevaultover 4 years ago
This is why I keep ringing the bell of open standards and protocols. This is why I still use IRC in 2021. This is why federation matters. Stop putting your eggs in someone else&#x27;s corporate basket. Don&#x27;t be duped by sparkly marketing and polish! You&#x27;re being had!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;743&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;743&#x2F;</a>
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salusinarduisover 4 years ago
So WSB&#x27;s Discord guild gets banned for racism right as this entire fiasco is going on, yet the r&#x2F;conservative Discord guild has had direct racism in it involving hundreds of users and moderator participation and that server is not touched. Makes sense.
alasdair_over 4 years ago
In addition, WSB on Reddit is now private.
Sprbdgover 4 years ago
Deliberate sabotage I imagine.
99_00over 4 years ago
The precedent was set with proTrump groups and people.<p>Any group or person who attracts negative attention must go.<p>Not worth the business risk.<p>Politicians are eager to make even apolitical issues partisan. The outrage driven media is happy to launder and legitimize retoric into fake news. Internet mobs are quick to follow.<p>Standing for principle will hurt your business and ruin your name.<p>Not worth it. I would do the same thing.
perryizgr8over 4 years ago
Discord and reddit are private companies, and they have no obligation to let you use their services. They can kick you out for any or no reason, with or without any recourse available to you. If you don&#x27;t like it go make your own reddit and discord.<p>TLDR: Company does business. Why is this news?
gsichover 4 years ago
What a sad excuse.
lemoncookiechipover 4 years ago
r&#x2F;WSB is gathering here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gW1GR7BECq4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gW1GR7BECq4</a>
hydroiiover 4 years ago
This is so fucked
SirensOfTitanover 4 years ago
Remember: Parler tried “making their own X”. They were taken offline by a concerted effort at every level, despite the fact that a large portion of the capitol protests were organized on Facebook and YouTube.<p>Anyone who’s ever been an activist for long enough knows that the censorship that silenced your enemies will eventually silence you.<p>Corporate policing of speech needs to stop.
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hydroiiover 4 years ago
Wow, this is fucked
technickover 4 years ago
Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn&#x27;t step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I&#x27;m tired of this fucking bullshit and ready to go thru as many proxy accounts as needed to get my point across. Discord needs to go out of business or grow some balls. Everything in this world could be construed into being hateful or discriminatory if you stretch enough.
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dpumpshitlordover 4 years ago
For “hate speech”.. Funny how that hate speech thing works
dpumpshitlordover 4 years ago
For “hate speech”. Funny how that selective hate speech thing works and who it seems to benefit
dpumpshitlordover 4 years ago
For “hatespeech”
erichoceanover 4 years ago
How long until Apple and Google ban the Robinhood app?
markdownover 4 years ago
r&#x2F;WallStreetBets has gone offline as well:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;VySvxSL.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;VySvxSL.png</a>
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newbie578over 4 years ago
Getting really sick and tired of these platforms deciding on a whim on who to allow access. Either moderate everyone or no one!
disgruntover 4 years ago
This is the class system in the United States becoming abundantly visible to all. Better we all get on the same page about the long con.
rubyist5evaover 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t believe their excuse for one second.<p>&quot;Hate speech&quot; is a leftist boogeyman.
darksintheover 4 years ago
We need an alternative to this server, there was a lot of momentum on AMC and its dwindling because people dont know where to go or whwere to turn, someone needs to make a discord or we need an alternative ASAP
wyxuanover 4 years ago
If you&#x27;ve *seen* the moderation (or the lack thereof) you&#x27;d understand why it was banned. Place was crazy with all kinds of nasty language. I&#x27;ll admit I joined early on but I also left early on after seeing how lax the moderation and how much of a toxic mess it was - even more than the sub.
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konjinover 4 years ago
It&#x27;s going to be a long four years: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jeneps&#x2F;status&#x2F;1354495049397055494" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jeneps&#x2F;status&#x2F;1354495049397055494</a>
protoman3000over 4 years ago
Why exactly is it so difficult for some to stop using derogatory, ableist, racist, sexist, antisemitic and otherwise bigot language other than that they want to be exactly that?<p>We know the power of habits and we know that if you’re a user of the word “retard” in a derogatory sense, your very first thoughts when seeing an actual mentally challenged person won’t be positive.<p>If you’re not a bigot then stop using bigot language. It’s so easy there is no excuse.