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Parents' income, not smarts, key to entrepreneurship

436 pointsby markycover 4 years ago

40 comments

JoeAltmaierover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve known this for decades. When Bill Gates started publishing Smart Basic (or whatever) in magazines, I got a copy and saw what crap it was. I could do better.<p>Why didn&#x27;t I? That was my very first thought. The reason was, I had to work halftime to pay tuition and buy food. I was mired in working to live. Ol Bill had a family to support him as he bought resources (ads in magazines etc), recruited staff, took meetings etc. Always a hot meal on the table when he got home from a big day.<p>One result of a Basic Income: more folks can be entrepreneurs, if they&#x27;re willing to live off that few dollars a month. It could make all the difference.
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rchaudover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve heard a great deal about Bill Gates in my lifetime, but it wasn&#x27;t until I read Paul Allen&#x27;s 2011 autobiography that I learned that Bill&#x27;s mother (a director at a bank) introduced him to IBM chairman John Opel in 1980. They both sat on the board for United Way[0].<p>It really struck me how these kinds of connections are less of a twist of fate, and more about environment and proximity. Even now it feels remarkable that someone with Gates&#x27; intellect and access to rich district school computers (in the &#x27;70s) benefited so massively from being born into a connected family.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-bill-gates-mother-influenced-the-success-of-microsoft.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-bill-gates-mother-influe...</a>
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jcadamover 4 years ago
All my attempts at entrepreneurship have been via moonlighting, and have failed. There just aren&#x27;t enough hours in the day. But I can&#x27;t just quit my day job and take my income down to $0 to pursue a startup.
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tolbishover 4 years ago
Wired covered the &quot;myth of meritocracy&quot; as it pertains to entrepreneurship and Silicon Valley 8 years ago:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;silicon-valley-isnt-a-meritocracy-and-the-cult-of-the-entrepreneur-holds-people-back&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;silicon-valley-isnt-a-meritocr...</a>
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elliebikeover 4 years ago
I suspect a large part of this is due to the fact that those with wealthy parents are more likely to have a) family money to fall back on if things go wrong and b) family investment in the early days<p>Everyone else has to seriously consider the (high) risks of their startup failing and not being able to afford rent, or whether their idea is worth burning their life savings.
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Scoundrellerover 4 years ago
Reminds me of a newspaper writeup on a recentlyish murdered billionaire where the murderer is still on the loose, and one of the sons had a writeup about his alibis. One proof of his whereabouts was an iPhone picture of his crypto seed he took while in another country. Bad opsec, ugh.<p>The child was running a nothing special b&amp;m chain business, but they had a “loan” from the billionaire to acquire and expand the business.<p>I’m like, okay, at least a loan has to be paid back.<p>Then half-way through the article, there’s a shareholder agreement involved and I’m like, <i>it doesn’t even need to be paid back!!!!</i>, ugh.<p>How is Joe Schmoe supposed to compete in a sector where the competition has that kind of financing?
Abishek_Muthianover 4 years ago
&#x27;If You&#x27;re So Smart, Why Aren&#x27;t You Rich?&#x27;<p>Every now and then an article about research on that topic pops up which attributes success from &#x27;Chance&#x27;[1] to &#x27;Personality&#x27;[2] and everything in between[3].<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;01&#x2F;144958&#x2F;if-youre-so-smart-why-arent-you-rich-turns-out-its-just-chance&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;01&#x2F;144958&#x2F;if-youre-...</a><p>[2]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2016-12-22&#x2F;if-you-re-so-smart-why-aren-t-you-rich" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2016-12-22&#x2F;if-you...</a><p>[3]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;rogerkay&#x2F;2015&#x2F;02&#x2F;02&#x2F;if-youre-so-smart-why-arent-you-rich&#x2F;?sh=237f532349f3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;rogerkay&#x2F;2015&#x2F;02&#x2F;02&#x2F;if-youre-so...</a>
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k__over 4 years ago
All entrepreneurial people in my age (35), that I know, have (at least) better off parents.<p>Most of their success stems from the fact that they could live with their parents for an extended amount of time and found&amp;crash a bunch of companies before they were 25.<p>Even the most average person knows how to run a company after they tried and failed often enough.<p>People joke around how Trump got &quot;a small loan of one million dollars&quot; from his dad.<p>But it doesn&#x27;t even have to be that much money, just enough so you don&#x27;t have to work for 2-3 years.
m-i-lover 4 years ago
Certainly within London, you&#x27;ll have a hard time finding a startup founder who doesn&#x27;t have a privately-educated upper-middle class accent, i.e. who doesn&#x27;t have wealthy parents. And while there are startup accelerators focusing on helping groups like female entrepreneurs and black entrepreneurs (which is great don&#x27;t get me wrong), there aren&#x27;t any that focus on helping lower or lower-middle class entrepreneurs, i.e. those who don&#x27;t have wealthy parents.
LatteLazyover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve been self employed on an off for the last 4.5 years. I spend 4 years working a job I hated (plus all the time building up to that job) to save the money to take a year off and do my own thing.<p>The first 2 years went amazingly well, I was very lucky. The last 2 have been pretty rough. A combination of government crackdowns (I&#x27;m a brit) on self employed people, brexit and now covid has pretty much done for me. I have enough cash for 3 more months.<p>I wish I could have started 2+ years earlier with a loan from mum or dad. I wish I could continue now with the same. But they&#x27;re poor. I suspect I will be too if I don&#x27;t get a job or a major sale soon.
cblconfederateover 4 years ago
Those kids just made the smart choice of parents
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czbondover 4 years ago
ha ha ha ha ha. Ok. As a grizzled founder, who is becoming numb to the entitlement that is easy startups, easy funding, easy results.<p>I know many founders - and they were broke, broke, broke (and went broke to bootstrap). This &#x27;finding about your parents&#x27; can make those straight out of college who don&#x27;t stick with it feel better.<p>Reality is... entrepreneurship is an incredibly hard game that takes years of grinding away after hours, or eating away at your own savings and your free time.<p>Founders I know (including myself): - One worked years on the side to grow it enough just to get seed. With newborn kids, then quit his CompSci job to live off his teachers wife salary for years. - One was on foodstamps for 6 years, and kids on medicaid to pull his shop through - One saved for years, and spent most of his money to get through the rough spots and is coming out the other side just now. - One failed 4 times - each attempt taking a few years, entered bankruptcy to try on a 5th attempt. - One lived at poverty means for years with a family while bootstrapping.<p>So.... lets stop the entrepreneurship is easy pr0n. It sucks so hard you&#x27;ll hate your life. If blowing all your time and money getting there isn&#x27;t worth the suffering you&#x27;ll feel - don&#x27;t try.
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CalRobertover 4 years ago
One thing that confuses me, though - if having a strong safety net to fall back on is important to enable entrepreneurship, why does it seem like Europe is so bad at it?
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Taylor_ODover 4 years ago
Sure. Even more so a safety net allows for entrepreneurship. My parents are not wealthy but they have always had a large enough home and enough extra income that I knew if I needed to move home and live when them I could comfortability for 3 months or more.<p>I&#x27;m not much of an entrepreneur risk taker anymore but every time I&#x27;ve had to make a difficult risk decision in the past I knew the absolute worst case scenario was that I would end up broke living in my parents basement. It&#x27;s carpeted so it never seemed that bad.
ksecover 4 years ago
I still remember the tweet [1] PG strongly disagree with that and arguing with Matthew Prince.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;paulg&#x2F;status&#x2F;1129897694984646657?s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;paulg&#x2F;status&#x2F;1129897694984646657?s=20</a>
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steveBK123over 4 years ago
UBI takes care of the financial risk component, less so the parental knowledge of the rules of the game, connections or free capital to invest.<p>I think this is all obvious if you dig just below the surface of most ultra successful people in NY&#x2F;CA Finance &amp; Tech space. These people are largely smart, well educated, but also raised in a particular way with connections that you only have from being in the top 5% at birth. There is the financial backing that allows these people to take large risks because they aren’t worried about a paycheck, the capital to invest in their ventures, and the connections to clients&#x2F;partners&#x2F;other investors.<p>The founder of the last firm I worked told a story about his father giving him the option of a big party when he came of age in middle school or to have the cash value of the party to invest. He chose to invest, and that is how he launched his investment career, he told us proudly.<p>Cool story, until you inflation adjust the dollar figure was something like $100k at the age of 14. So he started his young adult life +$100K whereas my wife&amp;I started our adult lives (post college) -$100K in debt.<p>Another place I worked the founder started in his 20s with $1M equivalent in capital... etc etc
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jrexiliusover 4 years ago
People are extrapolating way too much from a study in Israel about their market, culture, and system. While it is a truism that starting a company is easier with money than without, that doesn&#x27;t explain the abundance of poor immigrants (here in the US) who build businesses. Nor is any of it a clear indicator that shifting policy towards blanket money hand-outs would be an efficient means of increasing entrepreneurship. The left-tech&#x27;s attachment to universal hand-outs looks much more like a guilt-salve than reasoned, efficient policy.
PragmaticPulpover 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve worked with a few university programs that help some students sidestep these issues by wrapping entrepreneurship opportunities inside of their course load. Students use much of their junior and senior year time working on business plans, pitching investors, and trying to get their businesses started. It&#x27;s a great model for leveling the playing field.<p>Anecdotally, local entrepreneurship circles are absolutely full of young people from wealthy backgrounds who think they&#x27;re going to leverage their parents&#x27; connections and capital into personal riches.<p>They almost all fail the same way: They focus too much on quick-flip opportunities and the get-rich-quick schemes. They view entrepreneurship as collecting capital from investors and giving it to contractors to produce a business for them. They don&#x27;t actually want to grind out years of work to get a business off the ground. They burn out after a year or two.
jdolinerover 4 years ago
Paul Graham wrote about what YC looks for in startup founders in 2010 [0]. The first thing he notes is that intelligence wasn&#x27;t anywhere near as important as they expected it would be. And I think pg had a much better definition of intelligence than &quot;academic achievements and standardized test scores.&quot; So I don&#x27;t think this paper is really making a strong-man case for parent&#x27;s income being the most important factor in entrepreneurship, they&#x27;ve ignored all 5 aspects that experts like pg think are the actual most important factors and focused on one that he thinks isn&#x27;t as important as people think it is.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;founders.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;founders.html</a>
zestsover 4 years ago
Intelligence is overrated. It&#x27;s one piece of the puzzle. If we look for &quot;one factor&quot; that&#x27;s responsible for success we are going to be searching for a long time.<p>Income is a more robust metric because it is a somewhat natural combination of many personal characteristics.
ramozover 4 years ago
&#x27;Why haven&#x27;t you sold a startup by now? ... go do your own thing...&#x27;<p>Because, Since I was young, I&#x27;ve been hammering a cinderblock away that can grow 3 new heads at random intervals
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maskysover 4 years ago
In other news, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
m463over 4 years ago
makes sense.<p>If you&#x27;re concerned about paying for living expenses, you will find it an uphill climb to risk entrepreneurial things.<p>If your living expenses are taken care of, you can think more strategically, look to higher goals, and look for meaning in them.<p>I can definitely say my life changed the first time I got ahead of my bills instead of reacting to them. I would imagine a similar sort of change with a sense of set for life (although it could also work against you)
blackcatsover 4 years ago
You need money to make money. No surprise here.
everdriveover 4 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure how you hope to avoid this problem. People with more resources can accomplish more. This is true even in a strict meritocracy. All that&#x27;s modified in a meritocracy is who the top performers are. It doesn&#x27;t level out the playing field for everyone.
ed25519FUUUover 4 years ago
The causation v correlation here just raises more questions, wouldn’t “smart” people inclined towards entrepreneurship <i>become</i> smart parent and reinforce the tradition?
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SMAAARTover 4 years ago
I find the discussion here more interesting than the article.<p>I&#x27;d like to see the same study conducted in the US and - separately - in Europe as well.
caturopathover 4 years ago
This seems to be interpreted as a meritocracy vs. oligarchy sort of thing. I agree with the basic takeaways there (about opportunity, resources, discrimination, network effects, etc.), but even if we had a meritocracy, I&#x27;m not sure this would be an unexpected outcome.<p>Since when did anyone think the smartest people, those with the best booklearnin learning acquisition, would be the best entrepreneurs? I don&#x27;t know that the biggest Ayn Rand cultist would have that expectation. It&#x27;s equally plausible that the traits that lead to entrepreneurship are heritable but not learning-related.
orange_teeover 4 years ago
So everything is at it should be. People who cannot afford to risk big, should not risk big. It is a simple fact that being wealthy allows one to risk more, financially. Even if you gave poor promising candidates free money with no strings attached, they would still be better of going into a stable career path with stable growth, rather than try to start a startup because of the opportunity costs.<p>And, why should smarts and entrepreneurship be correlated, anyway?
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chaganatedover 4 years ago
Correlates? Sure. Causes? I strongly doubt it. Drop a million bucks on Joe Blow and see how things turn out.<p>I see the milieu of having semi-affluent parents--being steeped in the ins-and-outs of business, law, assets, broader social ties, and higher social standing--as a far more powerful edge than a wad of cash.
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snicker7over 4 years ago
The clear solution is to make Jeff Bezos everyone&#x27;s dad.
jl2718over 4 years ago
&gt; income of someone’s parents is the factor that correlates most to entrepreneurship, with higher wealth connected to a greater likelihood of being a start-up founder<p>So which is it: income, or wealth?
anonuser123456over 4 years ago
Income is also correlated with deferred gratification and risk appetite.<p>Did these studies normalize for those confounding variables, because both are heritable.
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cjbenediktover 4 years ago
Link to the study?
Solar19over 4 years ago
Social psychologist here. The article doesn&#x27;t back the headline. They never mention the effect size, how much parental finances matter. The mention that smarts &quot;explain 11% of the gap&quot; or something, but they don&#x27;t provide the number for parental finances, so we&#x27;re left to just have some vague impression that this variable is &quot;key&quot; to entrepreneurship.<p>This was a government study, where the government researcher is explicitly talking about how the findings must have specific policy implications. I would bet that they advocated for those policies before ever conducting the study, and that any result would have been used to advance such policies. All we know is that the effect was north of 11% in variance explained. So, is 12%? 17%? 25%? What is it? And at which threshold does this variable become &quot;key&quot; to entrepreneurship? (Also, what would people have predicted in advance? And does the reality alter their policy prescriptions?)<p>They&#x27;re also doing potentially invalid things with the stats in not using continuous variables, but rather dichotomizing them. And their slices are arbitrary. They&#x27;re comparing the top 20% on one thing to the bottom 60% on another, for example, and it&#x27;s not clear why they chose those specific slices. It could be the it was specifically those arbitrary slices that gave them the story they wanted to tell.<p>Also, parental finances will correlate with lots of variables, including culture, values, all sorts of behaviors and social norms, as well as concrete domain knowledge in things like business and banking. There could be a disposition effect where the children of people who are more likely to be entrepreneurs are themselves more likely to become entrepreneurs, which is almost trivial right? Or there might be a culture effect where these kids are exposed to the phenomenon of entrepreneurship in a way that is less likely or less strong for other kids.<p>What I mean is that starting a business <i>doesn&#x27;t even occur to some people</i>, for various reasons. Like no one they ever knew growing up had a business, compared to someone growing up in Silicon Valley where starting a business or being employee # ≤12 at a startup is almost as common as having two arms. I noticed this kind of cultural difference in the US. I&#x27;m a Mexican-American from Arizona, but I&#x27;ve lived in Silicon Valley and the American South (North Carolina). When I lived in Chapel Hill, I ended up knowing a lot of natives from other areas of the state. They would talk about wealth as something that you got from your family – they just assumed that&#x27;s where you got money. So if they meet someone and notice something expensive they have, like a car or pricey jewelry, or even housewares that seem high end, they might ask others afterward &quot;Does she come from money?&quot; I had never heard that expression elsewhere in the US. Does so and so &quot;come from&quot; money? It didn&#x27;t make any sense. No one talks like that in Silicon Valley. People don&#x27;t come from money here – they make it. They talk that way in Mexico though, where entrepreneurship of this sort is rare and poverty and class structures abound. So I think people who grow up affluent are more likely to think about starting a business because it&#x27;s just kind of obvious or normal to them – it&#x27;s what people do. It&#x27;s a natural part of their choice space, something to think about and consider, whereas for others it&#x27;s totally not, and wouldn&#x27;t even come up in their thinking, planning, etc. The effect of having affluent parents could mostly be about the literal money situation, like people here are thinking, which is about having access to funding, or it could mostly be behavioral&#x2F;cultural assumptions. I don&#x27;t have any predictions or opinions about which is the strongest effect. It would take careful research to find out. But their affluence cutoff includes lots of households that wouldn&#x27;t have nearly enough money to fund most start-ups. Making $125k a year is not the same as being able to provide seed capital for some business. So in that case, it might about networks and knowing people who have more money to invest. That kind of spills over into the cultural aspect of thinking of starting a business as a totally normal and smart thing to do.
OneGuy123over 4 years ago
Or they have it completely upside-down:<p>Those parents who adopt a more enterprenurial mindset are able to make more money.<p>Thus they pass on this enterprenurial mindset on their children.<p>Children of middle class workers are indoctrinated into a 8 hour job.<p>In the same way one can think that children of enterprenurs are indoctrinated into entreprenurship.<p>Obviously being a company owner will net you much more money than being a worker.<p>Most middle class people are feeling guilty just for asking for a raise.<p>Children of enterpreneurs think completely differently.
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PaulHouleover 4 years ago
My father-in-law got together with his brother to buy a bulldozer and ran a business putting in curbs and sidewalks.<p>Today my wife teaches people to ride horses.<p>Thus she had a precedent in her family of someone who succeeded at self-employment and she wound up doing something similar in work.<p>John Kenneth Galbraith would say that that sort of self-employed person is highly exploited, etc., that it isn&#x27;t a realistic vision for many people to get ahead. But I know many people who&#x27;ve succeeded that way. I&#x27;ve known a number of successful academics (like Galbraith), but I met them in grad school or after they were successful.<p>2000+ years before Marx the greeks talked about &quot;class&quot; as being networks of families that gravitate to towards certain family wells and that is alive and well today.
theinverseideaover 4 years ago
You ever try making an assessment like this in regular conversation?
dawsmikover 4 years ago
Middle class in the US goes up to about $120k. I dont know any licensed tradespeople that work for themselves that make less than this.
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exabrialover 4 years ago
Correlation, not Causation<p>The actual cause is more than likely: parents who have high income set a precedent for self-employment.
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