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Hydrogen paste has a similar range to that of gasoline

35 pointsby vlindosover 4 years ago

5 comments

epistasisover 4 years ago
The previous discussion was of an article of <i>much</i> higher quality:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26159068" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26159068</a><p>This is some sort of development on using magnesium hydride as a storage mechanism for hydrogen. You combine magnesium with hydrogen, get MgH2, and then when MgH2 comes into contact with water, the H2 is released.<p>This is an old idea, and Wikipedia links to a 2006 effort along these lines:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greencarcongress.com&#x2F;2006&#x2F;01&#x2F;safe_hydrogen_r.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greencarcongress.com&#x2F;2006&#x2F;01&#x2F;safe_hydrogen_r.htm...</a><p>that achieved a specific energy of 2kWh&#x2F;kg and 1.5kWh&#x2F;L. This is about 10x better than lithium ion. However it&#x27;s about 5x worse than gasoline. But since ICE are horribly inefficient relics of the past, a typical engine is only about 20% efficient, so it cancels out.<p>As for something like flight, jet engines are far more efficient than ICE, so this may or may not work there...
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yorwbaover 4 years ago
Discussed previously: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26027288" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26027288</a><p>(Also, the submitted link seems to use some kind of URL shortener. Don&#x27;t do that!)
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mohaineover 4 years ago
Sounds nice but the title is a bit off from the content. `The researchers also pointed out that the range of the paste can be compared with gasoline and may even exceed it.`<p>Being able to be compared to gasoline is quite a bit different than being similar to gasoline. I would interpret that to being roughly the same order of magnitude, not similar.<p>Also, the `may even exceed it` makes the entire thing sound fishy. It doesn&#x27;t say `may even exceed it with more development` so does this mean they don&#x27;t even know the current energy density?
NoOneNewover 4 years ago
Similar to gasoline?<p>1.9 kWh per liter (6.84 megajoules): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zess.fraunhofer.de&#x2F;content&#x2F;dam&#x2F;ikts&#x2F;zess&#x2F;documents&#x2F;POWERPASTE_WHITE_PAPER_2019.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zess.fraunhofer.de&#x2F;content&#x2F;dam&#x2F;ikts&#x2F;zess&#x2F;documen...</a><p>Gasoline energy density per liter, 34.2 mega joules: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Energy_density" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Energy_density</a><p>6.84 mj compares to 34.2 mj? Look, I want fossil fuels gone as the next cat. Overhype and lying through your rotten teeth doesn&#x27;t help. Just adds fuel to big oil&#x27;s rhetoric.<p>Closing the gap to gasoline&#x27;s energy density? Absolutely and awesome. Similar... no. I just want alt energy to be honest and level headed. That way no one can take things out of context. That&#x27;s all.
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naebotherover 4 years ago
&gt; All drivers need to do to refuel is swap out the old cartridge for a new one and fill a tank with water.<p>Interesting. So the paste is being mixed with water to release the hydrogen gas? What happens to cartridge after? Do you just refill it with more paste? Why can&#x27;t that be done at POS? Would be nice to have a more technical description of how the whole process works.