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Artificial Neural Nets Finally Yield Clues to How Brains Learn

105 pointsby giorgiopover 4 years ago

9 comments

specialistover 4 years ago
With articles like this, I want a "check back in 2 years" reminder, to see how the science shakes out. I'm not smart or informed enough to judge these current events style updates for myself.
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NalNezumiover 4 years ago
There&#x27;s three things I&#x27;ve always been baffled by the lack of interest in the current deep learning based AI field when it comes to parallels with biological brain:<p>1. Biological plausibility of back prop.<p>2. The lack of interest&#x2F;consideration of time-continuous input on network. They are currently discrete and &quot;learning&quot; and inference is done separately. That&#x27;s not how most organisms work.<p>3. The lack of consideration how brains (architecture, not weight) grows.<p>I might just be me missing something but I really have hard time seeing how things would scale in real world (ex: in Robotics applications of Neural nets) without those things addressed
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benjaminjosephwover 4 years ago
&gt; Nonetheless, Hinton and a few others immediately took up the challenge of working on biologically plausible variations of backpropagation.<p>Trying to prove the plausibility of a theory is one approach to science I guess... The researchers have already concluded that brains are simply information processing machines and that AI techniques are a sufficiently representative model to use to learn what brains are like.<p>I don&#x27;t see how this research could give us clues to anything other than what is already presumed to be true by the researchers.
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SubiculumCodeover 4 years ago
&quot;In 2007, some of the leading thinkers behind deep neural networks organized an unofficial “satellite” meeting at the margins of a prestigious annual conference on artificial intelligence. The conference had rejected their request for an official workshop; deep neural nets were still a few years away from taking over AI.&quot;<p>The author almost makes this sound nefarious or short sighted. Workshops and symposia get rejected all the time for a mundane reason: Too many submissions for the available schedule resources at the conference. Important research gets &quot;rejected&quot; all the time, and the selection committees are not saying your topic&#x2F;research are silly, illegitimate, or fantasy.
zagdulover 4 years ago
This linear model doesn&#x27;t seem to reference those memories when considering new memories. You&#x27;d need a secondary processing unit for addressing the memories based on the current situation or argument. This is a decent model for how cells develop and how memory cells are maintained. However, it&#x27;s creation still seems to be very binary, relying on IO rather than variance.<p>Maybe this will help.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ieeexplore.ieee.org&#x2F;document&#x2F;9325353" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ieeexplore.ieee.org&#x2F;document&#x2F;9325353</a>
geraltofriviaover 4 years ago
I’m rather disappointed with the write-up. The way in which the author outlines these advances don’t really tell me what’s going on. I have some years of experience working with neural networks and I’m reasonably comfortable with the concepts.<p>Perhaps more surprisingly the mentioned ‘advances’ are not cited!
kowloover 4 years ago
I may be missing something, but it’s just a click bait title with no substance.
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erikeriksonover 4 years ago
Really nice to read a round up of advances in biologically plausible algorithms. The field, responding to incentives has, in my subjective opinion, undervalued this class of advancement. I expect once we&#x27;ve wrung the value of of the current techniques that this is the direction advancements will be made in.
vmceptionover 4 years ago
Does anyone else notice that a lot of this stuff is just rehashed forms of things from decades prior?<p>Someone tried making a computer like this decades ago.<p>Ex-Machina had a plot device like this too, to make the robot’s transistor based brain.