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Ask HN: Truly successful applications based on decentralized networks?

33 pointsby rafiki6about 4 years ago
My definition here is something that has reached global scale.<p>The only things so far seem to target digital assets (cryptocurrency, music, movies, art etc.)<p>I think the primary issue always tends to be two fold: - Decentralized network applications (e.g. bittorrent) tend to be started against an established oligopoly or monopoly and then face the wrath of the establishment eventually - Massive scaling issues without the inclusion of some centralization<p>A perfect example of my second point is git. Git is the perfect example of a decentralized Merkel Tree based network solution. It grew and grew, but only really took off when the likes of Github gained a footing, using a centralized mechanism for discovery and sharing.<p>I feel that all decentralized applications will end up facing the same challenges. But the internet is huge, and DApps have grown substantially.<p>I am hoping to hear if there are any other massive or massive-potential decentralized apps out there?

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scrollawayabout 4 years ago
The internet? And many of its protocols that came with it, including email, etc.<p>Sidenote, and I dunno if it&#x27;s what you&#x27;re implying but many people do: &quot;company x takes decentralized solution, offers services on top that aren&#x27;t decentralized&quot; doesn&#x27;t make the whole thing centralized. Git is still a wonderful decentralized tool. There is very little functionality that Github offers on top of git that is particularly centralized -- permissions, maybe, but that&#x27;s about it and it doesn&#x27;t make much sense to centralize them. Nearly all of Github&#x27;s featureset could be, like, a separate app that has nothing to do with git - it competes with the atlassian suite, for example; they just chose to make the projects &quot;repo-centric&quot; and make git a first-class citizen. They&#x27;ve also supported svn for a while.
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jazzyjacksonabout 4 years ago
Skype used to use each user&#x27;s PC as a node, and every once in a while your PC would become a &quot;supernode&quot; and handle other people&#x27;s traffic. The only part that was centralized was the login, as there was only one global namespace. [1] It was end-to-end encrypted too, tho it was proprietary and maybe backdoor&#x27;d but what&#x27;s new. After microsoft bought it they started handling the supernode traffic. &quot;nine months after Microsoft bought Skype, the NSA boasted that a new capability had tripled the amount of Skype video calls being collected through Prism&quot; [2]<p>[1] &quot;An Analysis of the Skype Peer-to-Peer Internet Telephony Protocol&quot; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www1.cs.columbia.edu&#x2F;~salman&#x2F;publications&#x2F;skype1_4.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www1.cs.columbia.edu&#x2F;~salman&#x2F;publications&#x2F;skype1_4.pd...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2013&#x2F;jul&#x2F;11&#x2F;microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2013&#x2F;jul&#x2F;11&#x2F;microsoft-nsa-...</a>
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ebcodeabout 4 years ago
So... web browsers?<p>I think it&#x27;s important to distinguish between applications and protocols.<p>Successful applications based on decentralized networks seem to be a mix of both application code and protocol. So in discussing email, we are probably discussing SMTP and IMAP, and then the applications are the email clients that speak those protocols. Similarly, when we talk about the web we are talking about TCP&#x2F;IP and HTTP(S), (also DNS, CGI, etc) and the browsers are again the clients that speak those protocols.<p>It seems to me that the success of the world wide web has entirely to do with TBL making sure that his superiors released his work into the public domain[1].<p>Whereas with something like World of Warcraft, there you have an extremely successful application, but it&#x27;s based on a proprietary protocol, proprietary code, and centralized networks. Could it have been more successful if Blizzard had released the protocol and client into the public domain?<p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cds.cern.ch&#x2F;record&#x2F;1164399" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cds.cern.ch&#x2F;record&#x2F;1164399</a>
jazzyjacksonabout 4 years ago
Freenet has been around since 2000, and I remember wondering why Wikipedia was always begging for millions of dollars when there was a way to have users host the content. Sure you don&#x27;t want to ask someone to install a node just to view wikipedia, but there&#x27;s enough editors and archivists out there that would be willing to be mirrors if it was just a background process you could run like freenet. It got me interested in programming and I learned that handling conflicts on a decentralized system makes things difficult, plus apparently there&#x27;s more to running an encyclopedia than hosting servers.<p>Now wikipedia is mirror&#x27;d on IPFS, but its just a mirror, you can&#x27;t edit. Still the performance of it is surprisingly good.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ipfs.io&#x2F;ipfs&#x2F;QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ipfs.io&#x2F;ipfs&#x2F;QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1m...</a>
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aklemmabout 4 years ago
Email remains underrated in terms of decentralized notions.
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runnr_azabout 4 years ago
Finger? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finger.farm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finger.farm</a>
aminozuurabout 4 years ago
The early days of the web, before governments and ISP&#x27;s stepped in (for arguebly good reasons).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;World_Wide_Web" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;World_Wide_Web</a>
lanstinabout 4 years ago
DNS, SMTP, finger, git, HTTP, Napster, ssh, Torrents, eBGP I guess.
companyhenabout 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;Arweave.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;Arweave.org</a> is promising
civildudeabout 4 years ago
Bittorrent ¯\_(ツ)_&#x2F;¯
peter-m80about 4 years ago
IPFS
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Papirolaabout 4 years ago
emule, usenet
joejoesvkabout 4 years ago
there&#x27;s very little massive potential.