<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26203685" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26203685</a> - Scientists Achieve Real-Time Communication with Lucid Dreamers in Breakthrough (<a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/4admym/scientists-achieve-real-time-communication-with-lucid-dreamers-in-breakthrough" rel="nofollow">https://www.vice.com/en/article/4admym/scientists-achieve-re...</a>)
121 points | elsewhen | 3 days ago | 60 comments<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26185603" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26185603</a> - Real-time dialogue between experimenters and dreamers during REM sleep (<a href="https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)00059-2" rel="nofollow">https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)...</a>)
47 points | kasperni | 5 days ago | 21 comments
Great, I'm <i>so</i> excited to be asleep and have some guy show up in my dreams saying "Hi, I've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty..."
The title references H. P. Lovecraft's story 'Beyond the Wall of Sleep':<p><a href="https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/bws.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/bws.aspx</a><p>A lot of scientific research has been inspired by science fiction, but i tend to think that the worlds of H. P. Lovecraft, Philip K. Dick, etc might best be avoided rather than sought out.
AING folks have been doing lucid dreaming for years, their Russian forum at forum.aing.ru has 400k messages, so if you're interested in the topic, there's something you can learn from them. They have a number of attempts to make contacts with each other while lucid dreaming.<p>You can check out the English version for their stuff here: <a href="https://obe4u.com" rel="nofollow">https://obe4u.com</a>
The subject stated that while he was receiving these questions, he was "dreaming that he was asleep in the lab".<p>Isn't is just as plausible that he wasn't lucid dreaming at all, and was instead in a half-asleep, half-awake stupor and responding to the questions from his awake consciousness?<p>It would be much more convincing if the subject were in a different landscape.
People who train themselves to reliably induce lucid dreams call themselves oneironauts (Oneiros = Greek god of dreams).<p>I was actively interested in this topic when I was younger and had much time to sleep and practice, but after I got my job and life problems kicked in, suddenly I realized that the only thing I require from a dream is to get a good night sleep so I will have strength to face problems during the day. A little bit sad but true.<p>But, during my lucid dreaming endeavors I realized the technique itself is incredibly powerful. Especially for people who have tendencies for daydreaming. One easy technique used during learning is to create a habit of looking at the watch and asking oneself if this is a dream or not. Doing it for a few times during a day will eventually create a habit, and will eventually increase the chances of unintentionally doing it during the actual dream. Then, the question "is this a dream?" will have a chance of recalling that we have consciousness, while still being inside the dream. It will be a lucid dream.<p>Maintaining lucid state of a lucid dream is another topic. Sometimes a few seconds after starting to be in a lucid dream, we forget about the state and we go right back to a normal, non-lucid dream. There are techniques for prolonging the state, but require training (like everything I guess).
Stephen LaBerge made this same discovery in 1987
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_LaBerge" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_LaBerge</a>
They did not do their research.
Just what an always on world needs, connected in your dreams. I won't even need to get out of bed the next time I get paged in the night. Can't wait to ssh in my dreams. Naw, I can wait forever on that one.
Is there an app or device that can reliably determine if you are in REM and signal you so you can become lucid? Does lucid dreaming affect the recovery you get from sleep?