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Google Analytics: Stop feeding the beast

771 pointsby caspiiabout 4 years ago

62 comments

heipeiabout 4 years ago
Here&#x27;s a crazy idea: Don&#x27;t use analytics at all but focus on your product. If your success relies solely on &quot;improving conversions&quot; by tracking your users and then changing the position and color of your &quot;Checkout&quot; button then maybe try setting yourself apart such that customers want to buy your product even despite an obnoxious purchasing flow. Only then start optimizing it.<p>More serious thoughts: Google Analytics introduces performance overhead for your website and now you have to explain to your users which third party is responsible for processing their data on top of yourself. Why introduce those headaches? Are the insights from Analytics really valuable enough to justify the cost? I personally haven&#x27;t seen it.
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tristorabout 4 years ago
After a recent story on HN about all the horrible tracking Disqus started to do after being acquired by an ad-tech company, I ditched it and Google Analytics on my semi-dormant personal website. The process of fixing it got me interested in working on my site again and I ended up upstreaming the patches into the Hugo theme I use[1], so now everyone with that theme can benefit easily. I ended up using GoatCounter[2] after examining several alternatives in the market, predominantly because it was free for personal sites, but also because it was very no-frills which is all I really needed. I also appreciated that I could control retention rate and other configuration that might affect my visitor&#x27;s privacy to collect as minimal amount of information as possible.<p>I don&#x27;t think there&#x27;s anything wrong with having basic site analytics, but I appreciate that there are now alternatives to Google Analytics that don&#x27;t try to do the pervasive tracking that&#x27;s become commonplace online.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tristor.ro&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;05&#x2F;ditching-google-analytics-for-goatcounter&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tristor.ro&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;05&#x2F;ditching-google-analytics...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goatcounter.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goatcounter.com&#x2F;</a>
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aembletonabout 4 years ago
This ends with the author promoting his new &#x27;bootstrapped app&#x27;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keepthescore.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keepthescore.co&#x2F;</a><p>That website uses Google Analytics!
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iujjkfjdkkdkfabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m coming around to the idea that Google (and Facebook etc) need to be called out and held accountable for the &quot;negative externalities&quot; that come with their business model, the same as if a company was polluting the physical environment.<p>Google has turned much of the internet into a wasteland (there are examples as it related to news in the article but this is true for most content). They don&#x27;t have to pay for this pollution, but it literally affects everyone in the world. The internet at this point is a vital part of people&#x27;s lives, and when we see companies doing the equivalent of dumping chemical waste into it, we should more actively rebuke them.
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chubotabout 4 years ago
When I started <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oilshell.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oilshell.org&#x2F;</a> I added Google Analytics because it was easy, and because it was something I&#x27;d seen a lot of other people do.<p>After actually using the web interface, I found it almost useless for getting feedback about my site.<p>So I switched it off and haven&#x27;t missed it at all. Instead I simply analyze my own logs with a Python program. (There a bunch of lightweight alternative services that I could have considered, but my scheme works and is customizable)<p>I was lazy about this and should have done it much earlier, so I encourage others to do the same.<p>-----<p>It should also save energy because your user&#x27;s phone doesn&#x27;t have to make a connection to another server. The original hit to <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oilshell.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oilshell.org&#x2F;</a> has all that&#x27;s necessary for logging. (no cookies in this case, but there could be if you want)<p>Google analytics were so prevalent that the NSA used the cookies to track (or attempt to track) the entire population:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;the-switch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;10&#x2F;nsa-uses-google-cookies-to-pinpoint-targets-for-hacking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;the-switch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;10...</a><p>If you simply don&#x27;t include the analytics, then your users won&#x27;t be subject to such threats. (this threat may be mitigated by now, but who knows if there&#x27;s a similar one. If you don&#x27;t need it, the easiest way is to not use the service)
raspyberrabout 4 years ago
It&#x27;s really tough to read this with any sense of sincerity when it uses Google fonts and &quot;feeds the beast&quot; that is Cloudflare.
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boffinismabout 4 years ago
I really didn&#x27;t want to use Google Analytics for a personal site (details in bio), but because it&#x27;s a non-monetised personal site I really didn&#x27;t want to spend money to know how many visitors I had, but because I&#x27;m trying to learn about content I really did want to know how many visitors I had, because that&#x27;s a good way of discovering what content resonates etc.<p>I tried PanelBear, but because I briefly hit the front page of HN I blew through their free tier in less than a day.<p>I wish there was something very basic that had a more generous free tier. At the moment my site literally apologises for using GA.
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mellavoraabout 4 years ago
Interestingly, there was an article in the Swedish media this morning basically calling out a number of Swedish governmental ministries for violating Swedish privacy law. The violations were all the use of google analytics.
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donohoeabout 4 years ago
Lets examine these &quot;claims&quot; a bit more closely...<p><pre><code> It’s a bloated script that affects your site speed </code></pre> Everything affects sites-peed. However its 19KB, thats not awful.<p><pre><code> It’s overkill for the majority of site owners </code></pre> Yes, agreed. But so what.<p><pre><code> It’s a privacy liability and requires an extensive privacy policy </code></pre> Would be nice if if it offered specifics on the &quot;liability&quot; but it does not. And for the weight of an &quot;extensive privacy policy&quot;, I&#x27;m not buying this as a great reason.<p><pre><code> It worsens the user experience due to the necessity of annoying prompts. </code></pre> Again, what!? I&#x27;m not seeing these prompts.<p><pre><code> It’s blocked by many browsers (e.g. Firefox) so the data is not very accurate. </code></pre> And its blocked by ad-blockers and so much more. The point is to know what your users do. Its good to know you got 1M unique visitors last month, but I don&#x27;t need to know I got 1,214,551 unique visitors. All analytic packages have problems like this.<p>And by the way: I don&#x27;t like Google Analytics, I think Plausible is a great step in the right direction, but this post is a poorly researched rant and should not be on HN.
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dealforagerabout 4 years ago
The funny thing is that this is essentially a giant ad for this person&#x27;s business, and their website uses GA (lol). I&#x27;ve noticed this is an increasingly popular tactic on Reddit and HN. You clickbait people to an article backed with no data that you know will tickle people&#x27;s emotions. Then at the end you include a call to action to use their service because it will save the world.<p>I used to hate GA as well as ads in general when I had never tried to start my own business. I had the typical Reddit&#x2F;HN anti-FB-and-Goog mindset. After trying to start one, I completely changed my mind. I couldn&#x27;t find a reliable way to put my site in front of customers without ads. I guess if you&#x27;re popular and have a huge social media reach that might be enough, but for someone with no social media presence it can be tough.<p>Once you start spending in ads as a small business, it&#x27;s useful to have some data to understand what the hell is happening to all that money. I spent thousands on FB, Google, and Reddit ads and it&#x27;s extremely difficult to find out what is happening and which ones are working. How do you know which people are coming from which ad? Which ones are real people vs bots?<p>I strongly recommend people try to make a website&#x2F;app without being popular on social media and try to get people to use it without using ads. Places like Reddit are generally against self-promotion. If you Tweet&#x2F;post into the ether of Twitter&#x2F;FB no one is going to randomly see your post. After using ads, I&#x27;ve started to pay closer attention to ads instead of instantly ignoring them. It turns out that they are frequently useful. For example the other day I was searching for services for hiring a remote contractor and the ads were more relevant than the search results.<p>As for this article, I don&#x27;t really follow the logic. A lot of it seems to be backed by the knee-jerk emotional hate people have for powerful companies. For instance, when talking about how Google uses GA:<p>&gt; we don’t even need to speculate. It seems pretty obvious to me that they’re using it to guzzle up even more data and to crap out ever more gold ingots.<p>Every time I see the word obvious, that is a sign that a big leap of non-obvious logic has been taken. It is not obvious that GA is being used for bad things, maybe Google just makes a ton of money because their products are useful. The rest of it also seems mostly backed by emotion. I guess these type of emotional anti-big-tech articles are quite popular here though. It seems like every day there is a new one.
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system16about 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve had so many clients from small companies to hobbyists convinced it&#x27;s critical that Google Analytics be installed on their websites. Some even horrified when suggesting they don&#x27;t need it.<p>In most cases, the results aren&#x27;t even looked at or acted upon, so this bloat is just sitting there and feeding Google data with little in return.
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z92about 4 years ago
Parse your server&#x27;s access log file. The way it had been done for decades. &quot;Analog&quot; was popular then, Should be better options now.
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blainsmithabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve been using <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goatcounter.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goatcounter.com</a> and it works great. Nice and simple and I can turn off some tracking features for things I don&#x27;t care about.
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jamesdhuttonabout 4 years ago
The author blames Google for the fact that recipe sites force you to wade through a long preamble before you get to the recipe. But if internet advertising didn&#x27;t exist, then the recipe site would be charging him for the recipe. Recipe authors have to make a living somehow. If he doesn&#x27;t want ads in his recipes, then he could always go out and buy a recipe book.
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m1117about 4 years ago
Google analytics is great. It has its issues, but overall 1. They&#x27;ve built a working product that is easy to connect and use 2. It fits to a lot of use cases and barely has issues 3. Easy to start using, no engineering overhead 4. I don&#x27;t understand what the author trying to say. Should google be a charity? Or should they stop making good product? Or does the author want to cover the cost of all the other product that is built by google? Google is more broad. They think of all the users, not just corporations.
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softwaredougabout 4 years ago
My personal site I don’t use any analytics. My metric I care about is whether I’m having an impact on my colleagues and domain. I generally don’t try to mode that quantitatively, I care more about whether it seems people around me are influenced or helped by what I write. If it’s useful to some colleagues, that’s enough for me.
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ig1about 4 years ago
The challenge is that there aren&#x27;t really any good alternatives.<p>The alternatives suggested (Plausible, Fathom, etc.) are fine for hobby projects, blogs, etc. but they don&#x27;t support any of the modern analytics required for commercial usage.<p>If you&#x27;re running a business then you need an analytics solution that supports attribution modelling, cohorts, funnels, etc. and there&#x27;s just no great competitors.<p>(I&#x27;d happily invest if someone&#x27;s building one!)
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stevenhubertronabout 4 years ago
I use <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goatcounter.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goatcounter.com&#x2F;</a> on my personal site. No where near the feature set of GA but more than enough for my needs and super lightweight.
carapaceabout 4 years ago
On a tangent, but related IMO: the whole WWW seems gross now.<p>The other day on that Mold linker project:<p>&gt; I wanted to use the linker to link a Chromium executable with full debug info (~2 GiB in size) just in 1 second. LLVM&#x27;s lld, the fastest open-source linker which I originally created a few years ago, takes about 12 seconds to link Chromium on my machine.<p>As much as I like that linker project, I can&#x27;t help but feel it&#x27;s like a pothead buying a bigger pipe: you&#x27;re just going to smoke more weed.<p>How can it make sense in a sane world for a <i>web browser</i> to take up more space than entire operating systems? Red ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.red-lang.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.red-lang.org&#x2F;</a> ) and Factor ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;factorcode.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;factorcode.org&#x2F;</a> ) among many others deliver comparable capabilities in ~1M.<p>- - - -<p>The Gemini project is one interesting alternative. Every once in awhile I wonder what the folks using Urbit are up to in there.<p>But for the masses of unwashed users out there I think they&#x27;re stuck with it. I feel like we are seeing the genesis of cyborg AIs with humans for neural nodes.
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blacklightabout 4 years ago
Firefox+NoScript+PiHole user here. Once the pages on your browser start rendering at twice the speed they normally render on other people&#x27;s devices because you block all the analytics and ads crap, you never look back.<p>And even though I don&#x27;t use any analytics on my websites (heck, some of them don&#x27;t even run a line of JS), I still get plenty of valuable (and privacy-aware) insights about user experience.<p>Web server logs are a source of user activity that has been almost forgotten. You can infer a lot of information (from what page a user came, to which page they navigated next etc.) from the logs alone. All you have is the IP address of a browser, which might as well be spoofed&#x2F;proxied, but do you really need anything else than an ephemeral and loose user identifier if your goal is just to make sure that users spend time on your website? Why would we delegate such a simple task to a company that pollutes and slows down our web pages with their bloated analytics and isn&#x27;t transparent with us about what they do with that data?
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marvinblumabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;d like to add <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pirsch.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pirsch.io&#x2F;</a> as an alternative. The main differentiation from Plausible and Fathom is, that it can be used from your backend, so that adblockers can&#x27;t block the script and you still get GDPR compliant statistics for your websites.
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thinkindieabout 4 years ago
While others have already pointed out that the author is also using Google Analytics with the other website that is promoting at the end of the post, I would like to point out that the same website is also using google fonts which, as much as i love it and i use it, it fits into the same category of a free google analytics.
dna_polymeraseabout 4 years ago
Caspii, you should disclose that some of the links in your article are actually affiliate links. Actually I think in Germany you are required to do so.
throw_awy_1about 4 years ago
Another idea: also stop using Google to show ads on your web site (adsense).<p>As the article states, you get to decide how much tracking your visitors are subjected to.
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j_barbossaabout 4 years ago
I think the biggest problem about Google is not privacy. It&#x27;s their way of ruining all sorts of businesses by offering services for free which only works because they cross-subsidize everything through their advertising business.<p>Consumers are not willing to pay for navigation system anymore because Google Maps is for free. People don&#x27;t hire translators because Google Translate is for free. Office suites, eMail, mobile games, storage... all free just because companies blow billions of ad money into this corporation.
eliabout 4 years ago
The Google Analytics privacy policy forbids them from using GA data to target ads or build profiles unless you&#x27;re ALSO using and linking it to AdWords.
hunter-2about 4 years ago
I really miss Sitemeter - loved their simple, no nonsense metrics that was exactly what I wanted from an analytics tool. I don&#x27;t even understand the new version of GA, and have no idea why I still have it on my site.<p>But again, I don&#x27;t want to pay for analytics. It&#x27;s not a core necessity for my sites. Are there Sitemeter-like simple ads-monetized sites still?<p>I don&#x27;t like Mixpanel and the other big ones.
bearbawlabout 4 years ago
I’m not really a pro Google analytics, mainly because it is a performance mess, you can’t load it async, even their own PageSpeed insight doesn’t like it, etc. (except if they corrected this), but to say that absolutely everything they do is in order to make more ad revenue feels like a very narrow view.<p>Google is not an ad company only, right? I don’t want to go on each item this company is doing, I’m sure there are a ton lot but they made $13 billions on the Cloud division alone last year. This is a super young service and it will explode in the next decades. They are also selling a ton lot of smartphones and I’m pretty sure they don’t do that at loss only to get some more ad revenues?<p>Even YouTube, which is definitely a platform to run ad at first, will surely generate a ton of pure non-ad profit when millions of people will get YouTube premium.<p>More generally, is it just me or this kind of anti big Corp speech is becoming more and more boring? Or maybe it’s because I’m too old and I want to defend the little search engine that has transformed into a monster?
newbie578about 4 years ago
I just want to know how Google&#x27;s success is not good for our society?<p>Google is successful because people find it useful, ergo it is good for society. How am I to take seriously an article like this which is purely written based on emotions with almsot 0 regards for facts?<p>I do wonder if the author thinks that Apple is useful for society? I for one find Google way more useful to society than a glorified fashion brand..<p>Compared to Facebook&#x27;s ads and rest of the industry, Google&#x27;s are actually on point. They do not spam my screen, and most of the time are actually useful links.<p>And the fact that they are now a huge corporation does have it&#x27;s negative sides like stated in the article, but it also does have some nice benefits. Google Maps, GBoard, Gmail and to me personally the biggest play right now, Firebase, which empowers small time devs who want a quick and scalable backend with all the good offerings...
gorgoilerabout 4 years ago
Quite the provocative intro.<p>Does Google make money to make the world a better place, or does Google make the world a better place <i>in order to make loadsa money</i>?<p>By what evidence do we distinguish the two? Is Google majority controlled by its idealist founders still, or is it a money spinning machine for the pension funds which own it?
philistineabout 4 years ago
I never installed Analytics on my personal website, and I instead get data out of the Google chimera instead of putting data into it. How? I look at my Google Search Console numbers to give me just enough data to figure out what works or not on my website.
pwgabout 4 years ago
google analytics, and doubleclick, are two locations that have permanent, global, block rules in uBlock Origin on my browser.
zelon88about 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t disagree with this post, but why bother? You have to go further than that. If you don&#x27;t go all the way you might as well not even bother.<p>Even the blog hosting this article uses Google Fonts. So what, you didn&#x27;t give Google Analytics your users info. SURPRISE! You actually did anyway. You didn&#x27;t keep Google from getting your users info. You just sandbagged your own analytics.<p>Sidebar: I used to use <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wp-statistics.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wp-statistics.com&#x2F;</a> because it is a self-hosted analytic plugin for WordPress.
jartabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve never understood how people can muster such hatred for a company that makes all the most outstanding technology products and then gives them away for free. The mental backflips that must take.
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amatechaabout 4 years ago
Protip: install Pi-Hole ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pi-hole.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pi-hole.net&#x2F;</a> ) and prevent websites you visit from feeding The Beast :)
mikesabbaghabout 4 years ago
I use analytics to check on the keywords, and number of users per different countries. Their UI is hard to use. what other solution is there?
gerashabout 4 years ago
It is great to have alternatives to successful products and services that big companies provide. Esp. if the pitch is why this alternatives is better not why the incumbent is evil.<p>But the amount of negative campaigning (remember Scroogled campaign?) and BS that goes with it here makes me cringe each time I see one of these posts.
arcturus17about 4 years ago
Is there a paid service that&#x27;s any good and easy to use?<p>I don&#x27;t buy the &quot;don&#x27;t use any analytics, period&quot; sentiment that&#x27;s being repeated in this thread, but I am currently building a project that would definitely benefit from telemetry, and I would consider a paying alternative.
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crypticaabout 4 years ago
Advertising was never as lucrative as it is today and big data is not as useful as the corporate narrative wants us to think. What&#x27;s really going on behind the scenes is massive scale credit laundering of newly printed fiat money. That&#x27;s the real cash cow for these megacorps.
Lammyabout 4 years ago
Personally I never stopped using AWStats to process my nginx access logs. Its appearance is &quot;rustic&quot; for sure, but it provides every statistic I care about: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.awstats.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.awstats.org&#x2F;</a>
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robholmesabout 4 years ago
Or, try switching to a privacy focused analytics solution that values your users privacy, and provides the simple metrics that you need.<p>Fathom Analytics: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usefathom.com&#x2F;ref&#x2F;IKHKIT" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usefathom.com&#x2F;ref&#x2F;IKHKIT</a>
EGregabout 4 years ago
Just another example using a Big Tech product as a third party closed source solution, instead of installing your own (Piwik maybe?) that can run on your own server, and not track your users across sites.<p>It&#x27;s your own analytics, of your own site, seriously people.
r_singhabout 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.Goatcounter.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.Goatcounter.com</a> seems like a great alternative. I’m probably gonna donate and use this for my side project and then move to their paid tier after I see a dollar.
Jerard_Victorabout 4 years ago
Next stop is to remove Disqus
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alexashkaabout 4 years ago
Ah yes, let me go live like a hunter gatherer because modern society is full of sin and evil.<p>That&#x27;s the logical conclusion of &#x27;don&#x27;t use goods and services that have &#x27;evil&#x27; behind them&#x27;.
tlarkworthyabout 4 years ago
How do people to Google Ad conversion metrics without the GA tie in?
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sovaabout 4 years ago
On-premise Matomo is free. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;matomo.org&#x2F;matomo-on-premise&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;matomo.org&#x2F;matomo-on-premise&#x2F;</a>
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kureikainabout 4 years ago
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devops000about 4 years ago
Google analytics is just a vanity metric, you learn a lot more with FullStory&#x2F;Hotjar or with chat support (Intercom, Drift etc.)
godshatterabout 4 years ago
Another way to not feed the beast is to use NoScript or something similar and not let google-analytics.com through.
soheilabout 4 years ago
What&#x27;s a quick straightforward alternative that supports more than a few websites without having to pay?
nexthashabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve come to believe that it&#x27;s very difficult to operate a business relying on paid access over the Internet. Since consumers are already paying Internet providers $60 &#x2F; month for this privilege, your customers will balk unless you do something different and better. This explains the non-straightforward ways Internet companies operate and why some make such absurd amounts of money.<p>Some are very niche paid businesses like SaaS or privacy-focused mail that provide very specific and uniquely tailored services to a small set of clients. These are probably the easiest to understand, as at their core is a simple, logical transaction. However, they don&#x27;t defeat companies like Google at scale due to the fact that not many people want to pay for bits that they already pay their Internet provider to deliver, and the fact that accommodating everyone&#x27;s needs in such a business is overly costly.<p>All the gargantuan scalable platforms are not really selling a technology - technology is the vehicle connecting customers to their service. Their real money maker lies outside the Internet, whether it is shipping and merchandise (Amazon), or selling an audience (Google&#x2F;Facebook). I find it to be a similar scenario to McDonalds&#x27;s famous franchise business model of owning the land the burger is made on, while not selling the burger itself. If you want real customer service, you need to find the local restaurant in your area and pay more (Plausible&#x2F;Fathom, Hey.com, Fastmail).<p>A common trend in response to this kind of environment has been to offer some services for free and drive users to pay more for specific use cases if they need to (especially power users and enterprises). However, doing this kind of monetization wrong can easily lobotomize your business and push users away, as seen with the ongoing news media crisis and paywalls. And it also turns out that companies used to one kind of business model find it difficult to pivot to others, for example with Google&#x27;s continual failure to make paid services.<p>In all cases, when looking at the Internet you need to examine your customers (or your needs) and focus on accessing them, even if that means tearing down any conventions you already have. This can apply to anything from the news media looking to fully digitize, or independent bloggers looking for analytics that serves them.
cybert00thabout 4 years ago
Ditched GA about two years ago now and haven&#x27;t looked back. And haven&#x27;t missed those upsell emails every time they released a new feature either.<p>Instead we employ a QA to check everything from spelling and grammar, to page links and downloads and everything else in between and they&#x27;ve been worth every penny.<p>Customer satisfaction and retention is up and I&#x27;m even getting better night&#x27;s sleep! (I kid you not)
PixelPaulabout 4 years ago
What is the best self hosted alternative that I can import google analytics data to?
chiefalchemistabout 4 years ago
&gt; &quot;Google is a giant advertising platform.&quot;<p>That is a polite and public facing way to put it. But it&#x27;s highly misleading. Google is in the behavior harvesting and archiving forever business. _One_ of the ways that intrusions manifests itself is advertising.
blacklionabout 4 years ago
I wonder, is it I&#x27;m so unlucky or what?<p>All these articles about surveillance capitalism promises me very precise targeted ads (quote from this article: &quot;Google uses its extensive knowledge of you to show you advertising that fits you like a tailor-made suit.&quot;).<p>But I didn&#x27;t get that at all. All I get is generic advertisements, often for services or goods which are not available in my region (!).<p>Examples:<p>(1) I&#x27;ve made my first Instagram post when I&#x27;ve been traveling in Myanmar. I had account for several months already, and I was subscribed for my friends &amp; family and several thematic accounts, but my first post was some travel photo from Myanmar. After that year and a half (!!!) I was feed only by Myanmar ads in Instagram. I was in Myanmar for a 3 weeks, but still! Yes, it is not Google, it is FB.<p>(2) I&#x27;m seeing only two types of ads on Youtube: generic ads of food delivery services in my country (I never use them) and a lot of ads for UK bank and cell services. And also UK Amazon and UK Youtube Premium ads (with prices in pounds). Yes, I have IPv6 tunnel to UK, it is right. But I don&#x27;t think that IP-based ads is &quot;Google knows anything about me&quot;.<p>Banners are not better: generic AliExpress and some strange mixed offers which looks like same AliExpressdrop-shipping at best and scam at worst.<p>Google (and FB) could know, that I like DIY, electronics and motorcycles. I can not hide that. But I don&#x27;t see ANY relevant ads on ANY global platform.<p>Where are there &quot;tailored ads&quot;? Did you see them?<p>Country-local advertisement network shows me goods which I searched for on local marketplace (after I bought one, of course), it is somewhat relevant (but, again, mostly useless), but global Ads giants who &quot;knows everything about me&quot; shows only generic or complete irrelevant crap.<p>I&#x27;m using GMail a lot, my primary search engine is Google, I have huge youtube subscription list (so, my interests must be obvious), but no, not a single piece of relevant ad from Google or FB.
tanylakabout 4 years ago
Maybe try some other tool. Segment.io is decent.
pikseladamabout 4 years ago
Are alternatives free? no
MadWombatabout 4 years ago
&quot;It’s called surveillance capitalism and it’s certainly not about giving you a great user experience, it’s about making money&quot;<p>Well... it also happens to create a better (if not great) user experience along the way. I definitely prefer targeted advertisements to random ones. And I have relied on Google&#x27;s ability to suggest things to me based on a complex context many times.<p>Simple things, like giving me directions when I ask about a place, letting me see show times around me when I search for a movie, showing me the menu when I search for a restaurant etc.<p>Do they use all the data they collect about me? Sure as hell they do. But their effort at being more accurate in their predictions also results in me having a more fluid and intuitive experience with their services.<p>I don&#x27;t like their monopolistic ambition and I don&#x27;t like the way they have treated their customers and clients on many occasions. But there is no comparable user experience to switch to and I am not even sure such experience can be created without having another Google.
lmkgabout 4 years ago
I have high confidence that Google does <i>not</i> dip into Analytics data for its own uses without permission. I am an analytics consultant by profession, so this opinion is colored by the old adage about not understanding something that prevents your paycheck. But it is also colored by a decade of experience with the technical and organizational capabilities and limitations of the tool. Let me lay out my reasoning.<p>1. Legal and contractual liability.<p>For the Analytics service, Google is a Processor under GDPR and a Service Provider under CCPA. This means that legally, the only thing they are allowed to do with the data is provide the service requested by their customers.<p>Many enterprise-level customers require this as a condition of using Google Analytics. If they were to breach this confidence, it would probably result in them losing the enterprise space as a whole.<p>2. Google Analytics data is first-party data.<p>There are no means for Google to stitch together panopticon view of a user from the GA data from different companies. The user identifier is a first-party cookie, which is not shared between sites. There are no side-channels. Believe me, I literally spend at least five hours every week staring at hits in the Network tab, and I know where every piece of data comes from and how it gets processed. Cookies are not shared between sites except manually, and then only between sites operated by the same company.<p>3. Low signal-to-noise ratio.<p>The median Google Analytics implementation is a dumpster fire. When I engage with a new website, it&#x27;s actually more common than not that they have double-tracking (or triple or more) on at least some pages, which completely kills the accuracy of bounce rate and time-on-page metrics. Even &quot;good&quot; implementations have a <i>huge</i> amount of variability between the data.<p>4. They can probably get the data elsewhere.<p>Google acts as a Controller for several of its other products (notably, Google Ads aka AdWords), meaning that it explicitly acknowledges it <i>does</i> use the data for its own purposes. And Chrome syncs your browsing history to your Google account. While Google Analytics would get them extra coverage, the cost-benefit doesn&#x27;t seem worthwhile to me, especially consider the GDPR angle.<p>5. That&#x27;s not why it&#x27;s free<p>There&#x27;s a common theme in posts like these about &quot;why do you think Google gives GA away for free?&quot; implying that they do it for the data.<p>Website analytics is a strategic compliment to website advertising. If people can see how much money they make from ads (and moreso, optimize how much money they make from ads), then they will buy more ads. Google makes money from Analytics as a strategic compliment. They do not need to acquire your data for it to be profitable.<p>Nowadays it&#x27;s also an integration point with other services in the marketing cloud. See &quot;caveats&quot; below.<p>CAVEATS<p>Everything above is about the &quot;default&quot; Google Analytics installation, how it works out of the box. Google Analytics <i>allows</i> you to share data with Google in a variety of way, and actively <i>encourages</i> you to do so for several of those. I&#x27;ll enumerate the specific points where a particular configuration of Google Analytics has significant privacy impacts.<p>1. Advertising Features.<p>This establishes a &quot;cookie match&quot; between the first-party GA cookie and the third-party DoubleClick cookie. Meaning it connects your GA data to Google&#x27;s own data.<p>2. Google Ads integrations<p>This establishes several data connections to the Google Ads dataset, in both directions. Google explicitly acknowledges they act as a Controller for this integration, i.e. it&#x27;s their data know and they can use it.<p>3. Google Signals<p>Hoooooo boy.<p>This is the setting that explicitly connects data to a user&#x27;s Google Account. If a user is logged in to Google in Chrome (meaning logged in to the browser), then Google Analytics can use their account as the identity signal instead of a cookie. So the data from this one actually <i>could</i> be aggregated across different GA properties. The Google Account can also be used as the basis for targeting advertising.<p>Concluding Thoughts<p>Using Google Analytics &quot;feeds the beast&quot; insofar as it continues to cement Google&#x27;s hegemony on the Internet. If you want to ditch GA for that reason, I completely sympathize. But saying it &quot;feeds the beast&quot; in that Google actually acquires that data and uses it, borders on a conspiracy theory. There are plenty of good and valid reasons to ditch GA based on principles, and on statements that can be backed up on evidence. There&#x27;s no need to overreach.<p>GA is overkill for most small websites. Its main value is to integrate with Google advertising products (to re-iterate: the buttons that do that are off by default but very easy to press). I <i>don&#x27;t</i> think that logfile parsing is as accessible as many people seem to believe, but there&#x27;s now a strong landscape of privacy-conscious analytics tools that didn&#x27;t exist five years ago, which will provide at least the simple metrics that personal websites actually need.<p>The web would probably be better if Google Analytics stopped being the &quot;default.&quot; But that&#x27;s more about the monoculture of available tools, rather than extending Google&#x27;s ubiquitous surveillance apparatus.
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tobiaslinsabout 4 years ago
For those who are searching for a GA alternative that can also be used as app analytics tool be sure to check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;splitbee.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;splitbee.io</a><p>It also allows cookie-free tracking :)
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purpmint008about 4 years ago
Sure. But, let&#x27;s also stop feeding the Apple App Store beast. 15-30% cut for little-to-no value added. Complete monopolization. Can&#x27;t side-load apps without paying an yearly-fee.
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