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Our Thoughts on Bitcoin

80 pointsby wljabout 4 years ago

14 comments

atomashpolskiyabout 4 years ago
Recent discussion from 2 weeks ago (200 comments): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26101937" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26101937</a>
superbcarrotabout 4 years ago
Ray Dalio on Bitcoin in December 2019 - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QeWcprAJjqs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QeWcprAJjqs</a><p>He says that it isn&#x27;t an effective medium of exchange or a good storehold of value. I wonder what has changed between then and now.
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PragmaticPulpabout 4 years ago
The section about the fallacy of limited cryptocurrency supply is one of the key insights missing from many Bitcoin discussions:<p>&gt; For those reasons the “limited supply” argument isn’t as true as it might appear—e.g., if Blackberries were in limited supply they still wouldn’t be worth much because they were replaced by competitors that were more advanced.<p>I agree that Bitcoin is interesting as an alternative asset, but the narratives have outstripped the facts as it becomes just another speculative trading instrument on the non-blockchain exchanges.
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ra88itabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised that the energy usage axis does not come up in this summary of his thoughts. Isn&#x27;t that likely to be a factor in bitcoin&#x27;s growth and long-term survival?
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christiansakaiabout 4 years ago
For those who don’t read, Bitcoin here refers to Bitcoin AND its competitors.
firebazeabout 4 years ago
The headline should be &quot;YOU SHOULDN&#x27;T KNOW THIS SECRET ABOUT BITCOIN!&quot;. We should upvote this according to the would-be headline, i guess. &#x2F;s
leshowabout 4 years ago
I didn&#x27;t see anything on energy consumption or transaction throughput&#x2F;fees. How can one discuss merits of bitcoin and not talk about any of this?
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sebastien_babout 4 years ago
&gt; <i>while those who are against it (which are a few scared souls cowering in a corner)</i><p>Way to win over your audience.
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yourabstractionabout 4 years ago
&gt; <i>For those reasons the “limited supply” argument isn’t as true as it might appear—e.g., if Blackberries were in limited supply they still wouldn’t be worth much because they were replaced by competitors that were more advanced. I still don’t know the answer to why that isn’t a risk, but I would welcome my naïveté being corrected.</i><p>I think he&#x27;s missing the mark a bit about the limited supply argument, which I think is as strong as ever, even with so many competing cryptocurrencies. For one, Bitcoin isn&#x27;t set in stone and can change over time, albeit very slowly. Additionally, network technology is generally built in layers, and the bottom layer doesn&#x27;t have to be where all the innovative features live. Bitcoin can serve as layer 0 of the future financial system, and we can build fast payments (lightening network), smart contracts (RSK), and other financial services on top of it. The most important thing is to have a robust and secure bottom layer that can serve as a financial clearing house, and Bitcoin has performed flawlessly in that role for 10+ years now.<p>I also wrote the following recently about some of what makes Bitcoin unique, and gives it value even in an ever growing sea of cryptocurrencies.<p>Bitcoin has some unique properties that are hard (or even impossible) to recreate in a new cryptocurrency, which form a large part of its primary value proposition. This is why you can&#x27;t simply fork Bitcoin or create a new crypto from scratch and beat it.<p>1) Immaculate Conception. The fact that no one ever knew who Satoshi was and that he disappeared (died??) is hugely important. Crypto is all about removing as much trust from the system as possible, and having a leader (or worse, a company) behind a crypto provides a point of potential failure&#x2F;corruption. I&#x27;m also a big fan of Ethereum, but having a figurehead like Vitalik incurs a large risk that he has disproportionate power to drive things in directions that aren&#x27;t to the benefit of the entire network. It&#x27;s almost like Bitcoin was a gift from the gods.<p>2) Extremely hard to change. I hear it all the time, Bitcoin is too slow, has too few features, is too hard to change, etc. Resistance to change is a very good thing for a monetary system. This is a distributed system that&#x27;s now trusted with over 1 Trillion USD. Do you really want such a system to be easy to add new features to? If I&#x27;m Papa Musk and I&#x27;m dumping 1.5 Billion into Bitcoin I want security and reliability to be top priorities, not features. Bitcoin has had consistent development over the years by top notch engineers, but the rate of change has always been extremely conservative in an effort to preserve what makes Bitcoin unique and valuable for the long term.<p>3) Large market cap. Large market cap IS a feature. Imagine you&#x27;re Tesla and you want to store 1.5B in BTC, you can&#x27;t do this if the market cap is too small, because there either wouldn&#x27;t be enough value in the network, or you&#x27;d drive prices up wildly acquiring your stake. A high market cap allows individuals, corporations, and governments (next wave of demand I believe) to store very large amounts of wealth. As such, there&#x27;s a tremendous advantage to being the frontrunner in the crypto game, because you have the largest market cap, and thus attract more investors, which further drives the market cap up. This is a feedback loop that strongly favors the coin with the highest market cap, the highest security, and the longest record of trust. I&#x27;m not saying it&#x27;s impossible to break this cycle, but it&#x27;s going to be extremely unlikely at this point.<p>4) A name that&#x27;s synonymous with cryptocurrency and money. Bitcoin has an enormous branding advantage, in that when people hear it they instantly think crypto&#x2F;money. Ethereum, eh not so much. I like its name (ETH) more than a lot of other cryptos (Polkadot, WTF!), but it&#x27;s not even in the same league as the iconic name Bitcoin. A lot of people are simple minded, they don&#x27;t want to invest in something with a name they can&#x27;t trust. You always have to keep in mind that money is more a social&#x2F;psychological phenomenon than a technological one. Yet people get lost debating the merits of various crypto features, and forget about all the social reasons BTC is number one and has set in place the positive feedback cycles that will most likely keep it as number one. People are highly irrational when it comes to trust, and having a reliable brand name that&#x27;s proven over time is disproportionately valuable.<p>5) Most secure network in crypto. Bitcoin is by far the most secure, and a double spend attack would be ridiculously expensive at these prices. This is another positive feedback loop that favors the coin with the largest market cap. Higher market cap leads to more people mining, which increases security via increasing the cost to double spend, which increases demand and further increases market cap.
hd4about 4 years ago
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ralalaabout 4 years ago
The rising of Bitcoin can be a threat to working democracies - at least if it is used as a currency. Monetary politics are important for our society to function properly. On the other hand: For broken countries, it can help the people as a temporary replacement.
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CyberDildonicsabout 4 years ago
Yesterday bitcoin&#x27;s average transaction fee was over $31. Bitcoin Cash and Ethereum both exceed bitcoin&#x27;s transaction count consistently now, with Ethereum far exceeding bitcoin&#x27;s crippled transaction capacity.
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adfluxabout 4 years ago
Another company shilling a coin, hoping to convince many more greater fools. Only goal of this article is to convince you to buy, and to transfer a part of your wealth to them.
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fxtentacleabout 4 years ago
Here&#x27;s my personal Bitcoin prediction for 2021:<p>1. Some hedge fund will find a way to short Bitcoins.<p>2. Someone will inject a lot of illegal sh*t into the Blockchain. People already post images, e.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cryptograffiti.info&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cryptograffiti.info&#x2F;</a><p>3. Authorities have to intervene, the price goes down, the hedge fund gets rich.<p>4. Lots of whining from people who didn&#x27;t understand how Bitcoin works. Shoulder shrugs from those &quot;in the know&quot; who converted to regular money shortly before the fall.
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