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Launch HN: Bristle (YC W21) – At-home microbiome test to improve oral health

155 pointsby dannygrannickabout 4 years ago
Hi Hacker News! We’re Danny, Shivam, David, and Brian from Bristle <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bristlehealth.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bristlehealth.com&#x2F;</a>. We’re developing an at-home saliva test to detect the earliest signs of cavities and gum disease - then provide evidence-based recommendations and treatments to help prevent them.<p>Cavities and gum disease are driven by infectious microbes, but today’s dental care only detects the damage they already caused. X-rays and observational screenings detect tooth decay and bleeding gums, which are symptoms, not causes. By the time they are detected, they’ve often become serious issues that require the invasive procedures we all dread - fillings and root canals. We end up spending billions of dollars reactively treating diseases that can largely be prevented with good oral health management.<p>About us: Our backgrounds are on the research and commercial side of genomics. We have witnessed the rapid adoption and implementation of new technologies in healthcare enable remote monitoring of symptoms, early detection of disease, virtual care delivery, and new generations of therapeutics. Meanwhile, we have people like my co-founder Brian, who constantly face cavities despite great oral hygiene (good job, Brian) and get the same advice as everyone else.<p>Technologies like genomic sequencing and wearables are being applied to important areas in healthcare including oncology, rare disease, and NIPT - but aren&#x27;t being used for the ones (literally) right beneath our nose. A lot of oral diseases start and progress from a build-up of specific acid-releasing or disease-causing bacteria. Working in genomics, we knew the technology existed to detect these pathogenic microbes at the earliest stages, when they were most treatable.<p>About our test: Like other DNA tests (think Color Genomics, Ancestry, etc.), our test can be taken from home and only requires a saliva sample. Unlike most DNA tests that look at your personal genome (the collection of your genes), we analyze the oral microbiome: the community of microbes (bacteria, fungi, and viruses) living in your mouth. Imbalance between pathogenic and beneficial microbes can contribute to your risk of oral disease or signal systemic conditions. Decades of research have shown causal relationships between the oral microbiome and preventable gum disease.<p>Most microbiome companies use a method called 16s, which only provides the identification and relative abundance of bacteria at low resolution (often only genus-level). We use shotgun metagenomics to identify and quantify all of the microbes in your mouth including viruses, bacteria (over 150 on average), and fungi. Our test sequences the whole genome of the microbes providing information like functional profiling and higher resolution at the strain-level. This means higher sensitivity and specificity while providing the kind of data needed to develop better oral care products and therapeutics in the future.<p>Oral health tends to be overlooked, but is an important component of overall health with deep connections to the rest of the body. Research has been unveiling links between oral health and the risk or presence of systemic diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and Alzheimer’s (I&#x27;ll include some links about this below). One of the more exciting things we&#x27;ll be able to do as we grow our database is look for oral microbiome signatures related to other diseases. Such analysis will only be done on de-identified data, and only go towards the goal of improving health.<p>Our assay will inevitably pick up some of your genome - it’s impossible to completely avoid. But our analysis only looks at the microbes from your sample and we filter out human genome data from downstream analysis. There are some interesting genomic markers we eventually would like to investigate (read about some here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ada.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;member-center&#x2F;oral-health-topics&#x2F;genetics-and-oral-health" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ada.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;member-center&#x2F;oral-health-topics&#x2F;gene...</a>) but for now we only look at microbial data and will obtain consent before analyzing anything else.<p>About our projects: We are currently running a clinical research study with a leading dental school clinic, and will be bringing the test through clinical validation over the coming months. In the meantime, we’re offering a research version of our test to consumers through an early access program. This program provides an exploratory (non-diagnostic) lens into your oral microbiome, including information on your unique oral microbiome profile and how it relates to health conditions based on current research. The test is $50, but we won’t charge until you’re accepted off the waitlist and we are ready to send your kit. Right now we only ship in the US. If you’re outside of the US you can register at the bottom of our homepage to stay updated with our newsletter and be notified as we expand. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bristlehealth.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;early-access" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bristlehealth.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;early-access</a><p>Privacy is obviously a critical component of all this, and a top priority for us. We are determined to get it right from the ground up. Although we are not a HIPAA covered entity, we maintain a HIPAA compliant infrastructure. In the future, we believe that companies like ours may fall under a HIPAA designation. Operating that way today is our way of preparing for this. Most importantly, it protects your data. We will publish our data protection protocols on our website soon.<p>We believe we have a real opportunity to change the standard of care in oral health. We hope to expand access to patients and users, and give providers a new tool to help treat disease. We look forward to your feedback and questions - so please reach out or leave us a comment!<p>Thanks everyone, Danny, Brian, Shivam &amp; David

25 comments

dannygrannickabout 4 years ago
A few resources:<p>The Economist, “Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to many ills”: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;science-and-technology&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;10&#x2F;microbial-ecosystems-in-the-mouth-and-gut-are-linked-to-many-ills" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;science-and-technology&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;10&#x2F;...</a><p>Personal health care expenditures, by source of funds and type of expenditure: United States, 2007–2017: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;nchs&#x2F;data&#x2F;hus&#x2F;2018&#x2F;fig18.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;nchs&#x2F;data&#x2F;hus&#x2F;2018&#x2F;fig18.pdf</a> US Dental care expenditures 2017: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ada.org&#x2F;~&#x2F;media&#x2F;ADA&#x2F;Science%20and%20Research&#x2F;HPI&#x2F;Files&#x2F;HPIBrief_1217_1.pdf?la=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ada.org&#x2F;~&#x2F;media&#x2F;ADA&#x2F;Science%20and%20Research&#x2F;HPI...</a><p>Healthcare expenditure trends in the US: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;nchs&#x2F;data&#x2F;hus&#x2F;2018&#x2F;044.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cdc.gov&#x2F;nchs&#x2F;data&#x2F;hus&#x2F;2018&#x2F;044.pdf</a><p>US Surgeon General Report on Oral Health (2000): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nidcr.nih.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;2017-10&#x2F;hck1ocv.%40www.surgeon.fullrpt.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nidcr.nih.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;2017-10&#x2F;hck1oc...</a><p>The human oral microbiome in health and disease: from sequences to ecosystems: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC7074908&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC7074908&#x2F;</a><p>Oral microbiota of periodontal health and disease and their changes after nonsurgical periodontal therapy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;s41396-017-0037-1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;s41396-017-0037-1</a><p>ADA Periodontitis stats: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ada.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;publications&#x2F;ada-news&#x2F;2018-archive&#x2F;june&#x2F;july-jada-periodontitis-remains-prevalent-in-us-adults" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ada.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;publications&#x2F;ada-news&#x2F;2018-archive&#x2F;ju...</a><p>The “Gum–Gut” Axis in Inflammatory Bowel Diseases: A Hypothesis-Driven Review of Associations and Advances: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.frontiersin.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fimmu.2021.620124&#x2F;full" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.frontiersin.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fimmu.2021.6201...</a>
cpercivaabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m reminded of a medical maxim: Never run a test if it the results won&#x27;t affect treatment decisions.<p>I&#x27;m that vein: Is this really a medical test, or is it just recreational?
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dflockabout 4 years ago
&gt; detect the earliest signs of cavities and gum disease - then provide evidence-based recommendations and treatments to help prevent them.<p>What preventative treatment is this? If it isn&#x27;t just &quot;brush &amp; floss&quot;, then what is it? If it&#x27;s so great, why not just tell everyone about it now - why do you need a microbiome test?
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eaurougeabout 4 years ago
&gt; What do you do with my data?<p>&gt; Your privacy is a top priority for us. Our test will pick up some of your DNA - it’s impossible to completely avoid - but we only look at the microbes from your saliva and we take steps in our workflow to throw out human data during analysis.<p>Can you do better than this? What <i>exactly</i> do you do with the data? What do you store? How do you store it? What do you throw away? When do you throw it away?
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jphabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m a Bristle paying customer, and love the entire conceptual area of microbiomes and self-directed assays. IMHO microbiome science provides a new kind of quantification of health and wellness, and suggests new vectors for treatments and feedback, and can even help enable discoveries of experimental confounders and colliders.<p>For a good introduction I suggest the paper &quot;Oral microbiome: Unveiling the fundamentals&quot; at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC6503789&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC6503789&#x2F;</a>
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ihodesabout 4 years ago
I love where we&#x27;re going as an industry in using the tools we have in genetics (and other assays) to better target care and understand the causes of medical issues.<p>For the range of bacteria you can identify, what are some common treatments &#x2F; behavioral that finding them might indicate? Or is it more information at this point?
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daemonkabout 4 years ago
Are you guys depleting host or enriching microbial? Are you analyzing the data as a composition via log contrasts? Are you using available pipelines (kraken, metaphlan, etc) or something custom? Any plans on doing a functional pathway analysis (ie. humann pipeline) on top of the microbial analysis?
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100kristineabout 4 years ago
Stopped going to the dentist several years ago because I&#x27;ve never gotten a cavity in my life. Would be interested to try this just to check and make sure my luck isn&#x27;t running out.
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dpflanabout 4 years ago
Is one test sufficient to really be valuable to a customer? The oral biome seems pretty wild and varying, even just with changes in diet. It seems one test may be useful, but it seems that many tests at some interval are more useful (assessing change, intervention outcomes, etc.). It seems like you would want your initial customers to be people with chronic issues or genetic history predisposing them. Wouldn’t a single test result be more of personal trivia to the average person?
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elil17about 4 years ago
It seems really weird to me that you&#x27;re selling a &quot;non-diagnostic&quot; early access test but also claiming on your website that &quot;Bristle analyzes your oral microbiome to <i>detect oral diseases</i>.&quot; I&#x27;ve seen early access in video games, but never before in a medical device. I&#x27;m sure you have lawyers who told you this was okay, but I feel like the whole reason that you have to do clinical trials before selling a product (the spirit of the law, so to speak) is that many consumers will believe that the test you&#x27;re giving them is producing valid results, even if you have a fine print disclaimer saying that it is for &quot;medical purposes.&quot; If someone took this test and wrongly assumed that the results meant they were safe from oral diseases, that could have a really negative impact for them.
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evmarabout 4 years ago
Looks neat! My wife is a dentist so I hear a lot about developments in this area.<p>The first question I have is about the business model — people already sadly often cut the dentist when cutting costs, so it seems like it would be hard to get a lot of people paying you $50-100 for a test whose outcome is either “you are ok” or “more costs incoming”. How do you see it working?
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ipaddrabout 4 years ago
Focusing on oral seems like a strange strategy.<p>Ubiome offered 5 kinds of tests including oral. The vast majority of test purchases were poop related.<p>What size of a market do you envision? Are you trying to grow to ubiome&#x27;s level or stay niche?
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donclarkabout 4 years ago
Is there a &quot;best time&quot; for someone to provide saliva? Is this dependent on schedule and&#x2F;or age? And is this different if you are doing intermittent fasting?
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chrisallickabout 4 years ago
Can you drop some non legal plain language on what you do with data?<p>Frankly speaking, I 100% would assume you&#x27;re going to sell my DNA and information to huge body of people.
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tlbabout 4 years ago
Some people suffer from bad breath due to their oral microbiome. Could your test diagnose that too and suggest solutions?
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nickysielickiabout 4 years ago
I really want to do this (sounds really cool!) but the signup page here really rubs me the wrong way, I don&#x27;t feel comfortable giving out my card info to be charged at some undetermined time in the future.<p>Is there an email list I can get on to notify me? If not, please post again when you&#x27;re ready to accept orders.
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gumbyabout 4 years ago
How does your IRB feel about having people pay to be part of a study?<p>Do you look for specific non-dental disease factors, such as microbes that can lead to damage to the heart valves? What about signs of oral cancers (would those be strained out in the process of rejecting the human cells?)
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memcoabout 4 years ago
Will the early access users get access to the treatment recommendations when the ability to give recommendations for treatment becomes available or will they have to do another round to get that? If I can do the test now and get the updates later I’d be a lot more comfortable signing up.
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Causality1about 4 years ago
So do we actually have useful data for this? Are oral microbiomes regular enough that you can tell me &quot;hey you&#x27;re missing species X, go make out with someone with good teeth to reintroduce it to your mouth&quot;?
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donclarkabout 4 years ago
Related (oral related to gut that is)?<p>Over 140k virus species in the human gut, half of which are new to science<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26389397" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26389397</a>
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mrfusionabout 4 years ago
Interesting work!<p>Are there any treatments that kill the pathogenic but leave the beneficial microbes?<p>Does mouthwash kill them equally? What about h2o2 or xylitol?
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donclarkabout 4 years ago
FYI - If I click to accept cookies in the middle of filling out the form, it wipes the form of any information.
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heterodyningabout 4 years ago
Interesting that there are no commercial &#x27;probiotics&#x27; for children onward to adulthood.
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mrfusionabout 4 years ago
Do most pathogenic microbes tend to be gram negative? If so why is that?
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mrfusionabout 4 years ago
Do you find long term partners tend to have the same oral microbiome?
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