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Wayland in 2021

141 pointsby _7ffcabout 4 years ago

15 comments

rnhmjojabout 4 years ago
I think Wayland, and the modern desktop in general too, has forgot about a few good ideas that the original X system had. I will miss them once Wayland has taken over:<p>- A unified way to change applications settings. All old X apps used to read the X resources database (xrdb): you could set a global color scheme, fonts, window geometry and what not, all in one place using a simple but powerful text format.<p>- The simplicity of the window managers, hotkey daemons and other X clients. You can implement a functional wm in a few hundred lines of C[1] because the X server takes care of most of the stuff. In comparison a compositor has much more work to do and it&#x27;s difficult to implement one, unless using a big library like wl_roots.<p>- A base graphics API based on drawing primitives like the original X, SVG or Cairo, rather than just bitmaps. This would make writing a simple application without importing huge frameworks feasible again. Also sending the drawing calls over the network would probably be less bandwidth intensive.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vardy&#x2F;aphelia" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vardy&#x2F;aphelia</a>
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Decabytesabout 4 years ago
I don’t know how I feel about Wayland. On the one hand it’s being made by x11 devs so I think they more than anyone else know why they would need to start from scratch over improving x11. On the other hand, moving away from x breaks so many things and I haven’t heard anyone singing it’s praises yet about how happy they are to use it.<p>I understand apps are breaking because they relied on features of x that were security risks but it doesn’t seem like Wayland provides a safe or convenient alternative to the way apps were doing things before.<p>I wonder if it will ever reach the adoption level of x11
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k_szeabout 4 years ago
Does ibus work seamlessly in Wayland yet? As a person who regularly needs to input French, Chinese, and Japanese, besides English, I tried Wayland in Kubuntu 20.04 and a non-working ibus was a complete showstopper for me.
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halzabout 4 years ago
A project to keep an eye on, to replicate &#x27;autotype&#x27; support offered by many password managers, is wlrctl¹. A popular alternative is ydotool², but brings some additional risks the operator might not be comfortable with.<p>¹<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;git.sr.ht&#x2F;%7Ebrocellous&#x2F;wlrctl" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;git.sr.ht&#x2F;%7Ebrocellous&#x2F;wlrctl</a><p>²<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ReimuNotMoe&#x2F;ydotool" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ReimuNotMoe&#x2F;ydotool</a>
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reidracabout 4 years ago
If this was 20 years ago, when I was kind of starting with Linux, I would love it: lots of possibilities and customisation.<p>But the truth is that I don&#x27;t have time for all that in 2021. When XFCE supports Wayland and I get a good experience out the box, I may stop using X11.
xrdabout 4 years ago
The author uses Pipewire with WebRTC in Chrome, very cool.<p>Pipewire is showing up all over the place. I&#x27;ve been reading a little about it, but I finally got a comfortable setup of jackd and pulseaudio and am worried it might interfere with my stable setup.<p>Am I being paranoid?
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colordropsabout 4 years ago
Is it still the case that Nvidia drivers don&#x27;t work with Wayland?
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shmerlabout 4 years ago
Still waiting for KWin to support adaptive sync and then I&#x27;ll be switching to the Wayland session.
ElijahLynnabout 4 years ago
I am on Arch + Gnome for 3 years now and tried Wayland again this year and experienced too many broken things (Screen.so screensharing, Fireshot screencapture, I think CopyQ clipboard manager too) and had to switch back to X11. This article shows it is still not ready for the masses, yet.
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c-c-c-c-cabout 4 years ago
Not a single screenshot
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mulle_natabout 4 years ago
I was really looking forward to Wayland, when I moved to Linux. It was then said to be right around the corner. That was six years ago. If the current state of Wayland is as bare-bones as depicted in the article, it&#x27;s just sad. And as there is no support for OBS on the horizon, it&#x27;s a non-topic for me. And I never liked X11 to begin with...
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denysvitaliabout 4 years ago
If you are looking for an alternative status bar that works with sway, you can use my fork of yagostatus :)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;denysvitali&#x2F;yagostatus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;denysvitali&#x2F;yagostatus</a>
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Cloudefabout 4 years ago
It&#x27;s possible to also configure bemenu with BEMENU_OPTS env variable. I usually create wrapper script in my local bin path however, as that method will work universally with any program.
Klwohuabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m not switching to Wayland. It simply doesn&#x27;t do anything for me. It also doesn&#x27;t function with many of the GPUs I use.
rwmjabout 4 years ago
Can I run applications transparently over the network yet?
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