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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

221 pointsby discocriscoabout 4 years ago

20 comments

insicknessabout 4 years ago
"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain."
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guscostabout 4 years ago
All human coronavirus diseases, including COVID-19, are colds. Always have been. This one from 1890 might have been caused by OC43:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;1889–1890_pandemic" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;1889–1890_pandemic</a>
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grumpwagonabout 4 years ago
All I can think of is the Simpsons gif of Mr Burns being alive because he has so many ailments they all cancel each other out.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ddiamond&#x2F;status&#x2F;951930408261881856" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ddiamond&#x2F;status&#x2F;951930408261881856</a>
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etiamabout 4 years ago
Maybe this could be an explanation for the most unexpected dip in COVID-19 infection around January. Does data for rhinovirus infections get collected to such an extent that it would be possible to compare curves?
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dukeofdoomabout 4 years ago
I always wondered why religious pilgrimages and retreats where so common back in the history. The motivation is often some sort of healing. Sunshine, Mountain or Forest air is described in literature as things to seek when sick. Just curious if for example molds found in forest air, might play a similar function. Or perhaps being in close contact being exposed to bacteria from other people. Or if viruses can swap genetic code, is there some pathway through which our immune system can import antibodies or genetic information from other people we are in contact with through pheromones to boost its own defences. Perhaps its the drinking of water from new sources along the journey that has benefits. Why does fiji water taste so much better than other waters.
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dragonwriterabout 4 years ago
There are many different viruses that cause the “common cold”, including various coronaviruses; this is specifically about some rhinoviruses.
timrabout 4 years ago
There has been a lot of (IMHO unsupported) speculation that the almost complete eradication of influenza in 2020 was due to competitive inhibition from SARS-CoV2. However, data I&#x27;ve seen suggests that rhinovirus is still circulating at its usual rate [1].<p>If it&#x27;s true that rhinovirus is such a potent inhibitor of SARS-CoV2, at the very least, the interplay between SARS-CoV2 and other respiratory viruses is non-trivial, and doesn&#x27;t explain the complete suppression of influenza. Any simple hypothesis involving &quot;competitive inhibition&quot; is likely to be wrong.<p>The fact that rhinovirus continues to circulate so widely should also make people at least <i>question</i> the dominant narrative concerning masks and respiratory viruses. But I digress...<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;syndromictrends.com&#x2F;metric&#x2F;panel&#x2F;rp&#x2F;percent_positivity&#x2F;organism&#x2F;main" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;syndromictrends.com&#x2F;metric&#x2F;panel&#x2F;rp&#x2F;percent_positivi...</a>
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Causality1about 4 years ago
Why is so much in this article contradictory? It opens by saying viruses allow or inhibit other viruses by way of differing methods of entering cells but only a few paragraphs later says the difference is entirely due to triggering an immune response.<p><i>Further experiments showed rhinovirus was triggering an immune response inside the infected cells, which blocked the ability of Sars-CoV-2 to make copies of itself.</i><p>What? What defenses do cells have after already being infected with viral RNA?<p><i>&quot;We could see surges in flu. We could see surges in other respiratory viruses and other respiratory pathogens,&quot; she said,</i><p>Why? Why does covid mean we&#x27;re going to see unusual winter surges in non-covid diseases?
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perilunarabout 4 years ago
This reminded me of Julius Wagner-Jauregg using malaria-induced fever to cure syphilis, though the mechanism appears to be different.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;History_of_malaria#Malariotherapy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;History_of_malaria#Malariother...</a>
cdriniabout 4 years ago
This seems unlikely to scale out of the lab. The experiment used a &quot;replica of the lining of our airways, made out of the same types of cells, and infected it with Sars-CoV-2 and rhinovirus&quot;. Although rhinoviruses primarily target receptors found in the airway, Sars-Cov-2 targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in just about every organ in your body. If the airway cells were &quot;occupied&quot; by rhinoviruses, then Sars-Cov-2 could just travel to the lungs and infect the cells there. Or to the cells of your olfactory system, and cause loss of smell. Or to your stomach. Although it is interesting that these viruses compete when targeting the same cells, using rhinoviruses to prevent Sars-Cov-2 seems very unlikely in the real world.
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sktrdieabout 4 years ago
Yeah but once you&#x27;re better, covid is free to infect you.
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hda111about 4 years ago
Does this mean that masks and distance can be harmful because this also reduces rhinovirus spread?
swader999about 4 years ago
This seems to support easing the lockdown approach once vaccines are widely deployed.
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jdlygaabout 4 years ago
Rhino Virus
kurthrabout 4 years ago
Add me to the list of people who think this sort of reporting is dangerous to the public health.<p>It&#x27;s well known that a primed immune system (in non-immunocompromised individuals) will combat viral infections more readily. The innate immune system (as opposed to the adaptive genetically diverse B&#x2F;T-Cell antibody system) is a Thing and this is why people were discussing giving standard vaccines (including Flu, BCG, and others) before there were COVID specific vaccines. Saying that the &quot;common cold&quot; (which isn&#x27;t a single virus, but a set of conditions), can &quot;boot out&quot; COV2 is silly gibberish and completely unsupported by evidence. Furthermore infecting people with unknown &quot;colds&quot; could in fact infecting them with (or covering up) &quot;pre-symptomatic&quot; COVID.<p>Sorry, but you need to bring the actual Bigfoot&#x2F;Nessi in for people to believe outrageous claims at this point. Wearing &quot;protective amulets&quot; against them is more likely to cause problems that promote solutions.
grapecookieabout 4 years ago
We&#x27;ve know this since last may.
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rootusrootusabout 4 years ago
I wonder if we will find out, as time goes on and the studies are finished, that parents of school-age children were significantly less likely to come down with severe COVID.
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spinnyabout 4 years ago
well guess we are all f&#x27;ed anyway ... many countries are reporting record low numbers for the common cold ... because covid. in many places the common cold is the new covid, it seems.<p>and my fifi&#x27;s got massively offended by the usage of the word &quot;trump&quot;. my inner ninja karen is about to pull the facemask and do a reeeeeeeeeee mortal kombat finish move
boldpandabearabout 4 years ago
There is no virus that causes the common cold, so this is just more nonsense speculation.<p>Do yourself and your lineage a favor and research Dr Hamer&#x27;s Five Biological Laws.<p>Saying virus particles are the cause of illnesss is like saying ashes are the cause of fire. Both are at the scene of the crime, and neither are at fault.
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mrkramerabout 4 years ago
Another reason I personally would not like to get vaccinated. Nature and evolution solve all problems sooner or later.
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