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NASA mission to Venus in 1978 may have detected phosphine, a gas related to life

55 pointsby nathandalyabout 4 years ago

6 comments

kamranjonabout 4 years ago
I am so much more interested in Venus than Mars. They say the upper atmosphere is much more habitable than the surface of Mars. The density is apparently perfect for floating cities. I wonder why there is not more focus on it.<p>Edit: here are some interesting links, a NASA concept manned mission that revolves around the floating concept: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;High_Altitude_Venus_Operational_Concept" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;High_Altitude_Venus_Operatio...</a><p>And some general info about colonizing venus, the advantages section outlines some of the reasons I&#x27;m excited about the idea: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Colonization_of_Venus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Colonization_of_Venus</a>
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gus_massaabout 4 years ago
The accepted draft of the research paper is in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;epdf&#x2F;10.1029&#x2F;2020GL091327" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;epdf&#x2F;10.1029&#x2F;202...</a><p>Look at figure 10, graph O, P, Q in the last but one row. They are fitting the same data near 34 amu. The 3 vertical bars that show the error intervals are huge.<p>(The SAD values are in page 8, item 3.)<p>* In the graph O they fit the data using the expected curve of H2S+ and get a SAD value of 4.7<p>* In the graph P they fit the data using the expected curve of H3P+ and get a SAD value of 4.7 (again)<p>* In the graph Q they fit the data using the expected curve of of mix of H2S+ and H3P+ and get a SAD value of 4.0.<p>It&#x27;s expected that with a mix you get a lower SAD, but it&#x27;s clear that the error bars are so huge and the 3 fits so similar, that it&#x27;s not possible to distinguish which one is the correct one. It looks like another case of overfitting.
FranOntanayaabout 4 years ago
It&#x27;s still puzzling how to argue about life on Venus&#x27; atmosphere with the lack of water. It&#x27;d be interesting to speculate about pathways for life to synthesize their own water from the available chemicals.
SkyPuncherabout 4 years ago
Similar discussion here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24467635" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24467635</a>
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fnord77about 4 years ago
&quot;However, the detection of phosphine was suggested to be a possible false positive in October 2020,[11] and in January 2021 further research attributed the spectroscopic signal to that of sulphur dioxide.[12]&quot;
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xyzzy21about 4 years ago
This was debunked already. The phosphine didn&#x27;t include any other markers for life and there are natural sources that are far more likely to create it.<p>In any case, what allows bacteria doesn&#x27;t mean jack for humans.