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Ask HN: Should PayPal be liable for scammers?

4 pointsby GoRudyabout 4 years ago
PayPal defaults to saying they can't do anything to help users that scammed. Should they be liable?

2 comments

PaulHouleabout 4 years ago
It is why banks persist despite fintech.<p>Banks attach almost 3% of fees to a credit card transaction, and some percentage of that is management of fraud of various kinds including &quot;merchant defrauded customer.&quot;<p>It is a core competence of a bank to deploy capital to manage risk and to send lawyers to court to demand payment, etc.<p>If you paid somebody $1000 in cash you could take somebody to small claims court and maybe you win. Maybe you collect. If you can&#x27;t collect the worst you can do is put a black mark on that person&#x27;s credit report.<p>It&#x27;s a hassle.<p>You can dispute the credit with the bank on or with a phone and probably never hear about it again. They might just take the money out of the merchant&#x27;s account and let the merchant sue if the merchant has a problem.<p>Some of that money finds its way to the political system to maintain the privilege of the banks to conduct business as they do.<p>The small merchant feels resentful about fees because they pay them directly. Yet, the merchant is a source of risk in the system and owes something to the banks for insuring it.<p>A big merchant feels the same way times 10^5; since the Clinton years Wal-Mart has wanted to own a bank so it could self-insure risk. Congress did not allow it and has not allowed it.<p>If Wal-Mart had been allowed to do so, so would have Amazon and Google and Facebook not to mention mundane retailers and direct-to-consumer brands, etc.
llampxabout 4 years ago
It would be enough if they wouldn&#x27;t actively encourage scammers. Seems like everyone knows at this point that Paypal and ebay&#x27;s &quot;buyer protections&quot; actively work against the seller. I myself was out $1300 after selling a Macbook Pro, after which the buyer put in a claim for a refund, saying that his account was hacked. Paypal was made whole, the scammer got the laptop, I as the seller was left out to dry.<p>Since then I haven&#x27;t used Paypal again. And I never will, either.