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Ask HN: What are the ramifications of quitting a job before finding another?

11 pointsby neuroticfishabout 4 years ago
I'm in a situation where it's nearly impossible for me to job hunt. On top of endless work (nights and weekends) and stress is intense burnout that make it difficult to even think about programming outside of work hours. I have probably 8 months of emergency funds to live off of but how much more difficult would it be to find a job without already having one?

19 comments

batmaniamabout 4 years ago
You will be extremely lowballed at any offer you get, with the company not willing to budge. I&#x27;ve personally seen this happen to several colleagues of mine. Even their recruiters just shrugged and said it was all they could get for them.<p>Definitely start interviewing, but in order to do so you will have to stop working unpaid overtime for your company. Since you&#x27;re already leaving anyway, promotions or looking to get ahead of your peers is out the window, so focus on yourself, and not your work. That&#x27;s the most important step! Keep it 9-5.
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muzaniabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve done it before. The process can be extremely long (months). It&#x27;s longer the higher your salary expectations. At lower paying jobs, a single interview with the CTO&#x2F;team managers and you land the job.<p>At higher paying ones, you might have to do a HR filtering interview, code test, hour long chat with an engineer, a higher level manager, a whiteboard, another code test, and then present it to a panel which consists of four engineers... and possibly get rejected somewhere along this route. Some of the people in this process are not always there and they may not put hiring at first priority, so this can drag out very long.<p>If you have a &quot;runway&quot;, you&#x27;ll be under pressure to perform, which ironically might make you screw up somewhere along the process as I have before. It&#x27;s so much easier just to settle for the lower paying job.<p>And as someone who has been on the hiring side, I&#x27;ve seen people who we wanted to hire, but failed because of this pressure. Two people who were going through extended interviews just refused to do an hour long coding challenge properly (they lazily copied something from SO which didn&#x27;t answer the question). One interviewee snapped at the interviewer during the test. The process was also quite long because we didn&#x27;t really <i>need</i> another person, so it took about 2-3 months to get back to the second guy we interviewed, who wasn&#x27;t that qualified but better than the others.<p>However, if you&#x27;re facing intense stress and burnout, the lower paying job might be a step forward.
LandRabout 4 years ago
I reckon the bar is so low for software developers that if you can&#x27;t geta job in eight months you are doing something very wrong. So many applicants can&#x27;t even code a simple console app.<p>Just be somewhat proficient and you&#x27;ll be fine!<p>My last few jobs were all left with no other job in place and i think the longest it took to find a new position was three weeks.
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PaulHouleabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve done this and had another job in three days.<p>I&#x27;ve also done this and had another job in three years.
gt565kabout 4 years ago
Schedule some interviews and take a week or two of PTO to get those interviews back to back and secure a new job.<p>Once you get get a job offer tell them you can&#x27;t start for a month. If that&#x27;s ok with them, accept and put in your 2 weeks, and get 2 weeks unpaid in-between jobs to unwind before starting your new journey.<p>The last time I switched jobs, I even negotiated a 3-4 weeks paid leave as I had PTO I wanted to take from my previous job, but they wanted me to start earlier than 1.5 months (the date I gave them mentioning I wanted to take my vacation at my old job). They hired me and let me take 3 weeks off after working for 2 weeks and it was all on payroll not affecting my annual PTO hours.
p0dabout 4 years ago
I left my job with 1 year of funds. I am 18 months in and still have 1 year of funds. Remember that your funds are a moving window i.e. you can earn money doing something even if it is not the job you wil get.<p>I&#x27;m taking two days off at the moment. I woke up with the reality no one will contact me with an IT issue. My new life has it&#x27;s pressures however I enjoy the less frantic environment.
yokazeabout 4 years ago
What is causing the end-less work? Have you communicated your limits to your manager, or do they simply not care? How about your colleagues, do they feel the same?<p>Talking from personal experience, as I am a &quot;good worker&quot;, and tend to take up every problem I see and solve it. Which is kind of self-exploiting and not sustainable in the long-run. I have to actively remind myself that setting limits and communicating them is part of the job, as otherwise you&#x27;ll end up burnt out. The difficulty here is, it may be even okay in some short-time frame, it is not black and white.<p>Just food for thought: Would it be an option to be also frank about it to future employers? E.g. I am currently not at the top of my skills due the current work-load. Would they be willing to re-negotiate after a certain time of working part-time to recover?<p>Personally, I value in a company (or team) more that they treat you humanely, than having a pay-check which is possibly three times as high as now. But that is the luxury of having a high salary.
brailsafeabout 4 years ago
Nothing is worse than burnout. You need the motivation to find a new job once you quit, and no matter how bad the finances get, burnout will step in and fuck you worse. I&#x27;m on my second burnout that led me to basically stop functioning and let myself be fired, and I haven&#x27;t found anything in a year!
jlund-molfeseabout 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s especially difficult to find a job as a developer within eight months, but you&#x27;d be giving up your current job as a fallback. You might not feel like you can walk away from an offer that&#x27;s good, but not great. You&#x27;ll also have a reduced ability to negotiate without a current salary, and it&#x27;ll be hard to shrug off rejections.<p>If it is at all possible for you to take a leave of absence or reduce you workload, that would probably be a better option. You might feel burnt out now, but being unemployed adds its own type of stress.
deathtrader666about 4 years ago
In India, recruiters will not even accept &#x2F; process your job application unless you fill in the fields for &quot;existing salary&quot; and &quot;expected salary&quot;. And if you enter 0 or some random value, you may receive a call to verify those numbers.<p>As part of your joining procedure, the new company&#x27;s HR will necessarily ask for past 3 months payslips from the previous employer. And if the numbers don&#x27;t match what was disclosed, they quickly rescind the offer.
simplermanabout 4 years ago
Please don&#x27;t work for free. Call in sick if your company won&#x27;t approve PTO. Also take a few sick days because stress is not good for your health, don&#x27;t waste your vacation time on recovering from stress. My company officially consider &quot;Mental Health&quot; as one of the reason for calling in sick.<p>And definitely don&#x27;t quit without finding the next job. You will be under a lot more stress and it would affect your performance.
taurathabout 4 years ago
I would simply just save as much as you can right now to give yourself more runway, see a therapist, maybe even take a medical leave of absence for burnout (which IS a thing and is protected, sometimes you get paid as well), and set a time you will leave.<p>In 8 months you can certainly find another job, but more likely you’ll want to spend a little time decompressing. Don’t worry too much about it, software developers are still in very good demand.
slipwalkerabout 4 years ago
IMHO, you would lose leverage on your negotiation.
yosefjaved1about 4 years ago
It sounds like you are already burnt out. What are you doing about that right now?<p>Outside of that, quitting a job before you have a new one makes it more challenging to get a new job. Recruiters and employers find those that have a job more favourable plus it gives you a negotiating advantage when it comes to salary.
ubermanabout 4 years ago
I strongly recommend that with only 8 months of reserves you don&#x27;t quit before having a signed offer.
kiesselbachabout 4 years ago
Why not just start slacking off hard? What are they going to do, fire you?! You want to quit anyways. I would say do not quit before having another job. Most likely you will slack off and it will go unnoticed because the need to overwork yourself is in your head.
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probinsoabout 4 years ago
honestly, I&#x27;ve done this several times. if you have the money to go half a year without trouble, and your career has been good so far, you can probably do fine. It is extremely hard to juggle working while interviewing. I&#x27;ve only done it a couple times, but it really meant waking up at 5:00 in the morning so I could get interviews done before my day started. if you&#x27;re honest about why you left a job, it doesn&#x27;t seem like people really care. also you have to stay active in work while you were not employed. have a project you want to work on, or a thing you want to learn, now is the time. People love to see that
meiralealabout 4 years ago
I had no issues quitting for a year and then explaining later that I was in a sabbatical period. Last time (3 years ago), I got a job offer 1.5x better than the one I quit for traveling. You only lose leverage if you need a job fast.
logicslaveabout 4 years ago
Done it many times, never had a problem. You just need to be confident in your skill set.