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Amen: the world's most famous sample and the rise of the musical copyright

234 pointsby mgeracialmost 14 years ago

14 comments

sixtofouralmost 14 years ago
The author's own site (including the video), Nate Harrison:<p><a href="http://nkhstudio.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nkhstudio.com/</a>
p_monkalmost 14 years ago
The "Amen Brother" drum break is far from the most sampled or most famous drum break in history. Check out a list of more heavily sampled breaks here: <a href="http://the-breaks.com/stats.php" rel="nofollow">http://the-breaks.com/stats.php</a><p>The above list is far from complete, obviously. If I had to put my money on it, id say the most sampled drum break is "Impeach The President" <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbEsS5kFb8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbEsS5kFb8</a>
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parenthesisalmost 14 years ago
Another ubiquitous break is the `Apache' break:<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-Z6wm6TMQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-Z6wm6TMQ</a>
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CrazedGeekalmost 14 years ago
TV Tropes has a list of examples: <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmenBreak" rel="nofollow">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmenBreak</a>
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jinushaunalmost 14 years ago
That's why drum and bass all sounds the same to me.<p>Reggaeton also has a similar situation, where everyone uses the exact same beat for the rhythm. It's called the "Dem Bow" beat.
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Figsalmost 14 years ago
Interesting video. I wish the narrator didn't sound so robotic though.
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feddalmost 14 years ago
i found the presented samples different from the original.<p>it would be better if the drum lines from different songs were showed as notes, or i can't believe that they are derived.<p>i think it's a stretch to make a beautiful statement, that somebody invented some loop in 60-s. i even thought the author wants to tell that if i wrote a little break bit myself, i used that amen sample (just <i>rearranged and manipulated in any number ways</i>). but i didn't i swear. never heard of this before today.
quinndupontalmost 14 years ago
Weirdly melodic and somber, but interesting video nonetheless.
fuddlealmost 14 years ago
Checkout the Amen Break iPhone app too: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7HnNLKh6Q" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7HnNLKh6Q</a>
bobstobeneralmost 14 years ago
The break started here (at :05 sec) <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUImpeQG66U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUImpeQG66U</a>
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code_duckalmost 14 years ago
Strange, I just happened upon this for the first time 3 days ago seemingly at random.
pashalmost 14 years ago
Glossed over in the video, and in the discussion here so far, is that <i>even when a court rules a derivative work to infringe a copyright</i>, there's no need to obtain a license so long as the derivative work is "creative enough" to qualify as fair use under US copyright law (and similarly in many other jurisdictions). So while it's true that the Sixth Circuit ruled in 2005 [1] that unlicensed samples of any duration constitute copyright infringement, what's left unsaid is that samples still may be used without bothering about licenses so long as they're used as part of a sufficiently creative new song.<p>But what's "creative enough"? Ah, there's the rub.<p>The real story here is how copyright owners are able to abuse a quirk of the law in order to strong-arm musicians into paying licensing fees, even when everybody knows full well there's probably no legal obligation to pay them. "Sample trolls" exist precisely because fair use is only a <i>defense to litigation</i>, which means it can only be invoked in the course of a lawsuit. So there's no sure way to know whether you need to license your use of a sample until you get sued, you claim fair use, and a judge tells you whether you should have (past tense) bought a license or not. It's much cheaper, of course, just to pay for a license up front and be done with it.<p>Unfortunately, its hard to imagine a way to resolve this conundrum if copyright holders are still to be granted monopolies over derivative works [2]. Consider the canonical law-school example of a derivative work, Marcel Duchamp's goteed Mona Lisa (<i>LHOOQ</i>) [3]. If Leonardo had been around to defend his copyright, would Marcel have been able successfully to invoke the fair-use defense? It all depends on how creative the judge thinks it is to give old Lisa a mustache. Reasonable judges may disagree.<p>And then consider Andy Warhol's colorful posterized Mona Lisa silkscreens, or Kazimir Malevich's collage-cum-painting <i>Composition with Mona Lisa</i>, which incorporates a small copy of Leonardo's painting. Even if you thought Marcel's work was a blatant rip-off, you might think Andy's or Kazimir's is fair use. (Then there's Salvador Dali's <i>Self Portrait as Mona Lisa</i>.) Point is, it's impossible to draw a bright line on fair use, even for a particular work.<p>But that's not to say there's no bright line anywhere. When it comes to recorded music, one such line is whether a work actually incorporates a copy of the recording. If it's not a sample, but a new recording that happens to sound the same, there's no issue. (A ruling that duplicating any portion of a musical <i>composition</i> constitutes infringement is nigh unimaginable.) So just go record your own version of the beat you want to use and there's no issue.<p>1: See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeport_Music,_Inc._v._Dimension_Films" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeport_Music,_Inc._v._Dimen...</a> ; a good write-up on the case is at <a href="http://www.ivanhoffman.com/fairusemusic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivanhoffman.com/fairusemusic.html</a> .<p>2: And maybe they shouldn't be. But then the debate would probably turn back to what constitutes a derivative work.<p>3: This and other riffs on the Mona Lisa are shown at <a href="http://www.aiwaz.net/gallery/mona-lisa-as-modern-lisa/gc234" rel="nofollow">http://www.aiwaz.net/gallery/mona-lisa-as-modern-lisa/gc234</a> .<p>By the way, for those of you who doubt the ubiquity and permutivity of the Amen Break in today's hip-hop, here are a few tracks I picked out in a quick once-over of two albums by The Roots. From almost-a-sample to you-gotta-be-paying-attention, these all use the Amen Break:<p>- "Rolling with Heat" (slowed down, but otherwise almost unchanged)<p>- "Thought @ Work" (syncopated by dropping a beat)<p>- "Duck Down!" (very slow, syncopated)<p>- "I Don't Care" (syncopated)<p>- "Web" (very syncopated)<p>- "Boom!" (very syncopated)<p>If you can hear the signature "bum bum BAH, buh-DUM buh-DUM" in those last few, you can see why people call it the most ubiquitous break. It truly is all over the place, albeit often in heavily manipulated form.
J3L2404almost 14 years ago
"Overprotecting intellectual property is as harmful as underprotecting it. Culture is impossible without a rich public domain. Nothing today, like nothing since we tamed fire, is genuinely new. Culture like science and technology grows by accretion. Each new creator building on the works before. Overprotecting stifles the very forces it is supposed to nurture."
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thepumpkin1979almost 14 years ago
This is an interesting video, but how does this has anything to do with Startups, Technology, Development, UX or Tech Business... This is the why I think HN is becoming another Reddit. It's a shame...
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