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Eu_sst: 20% probability for large satellite collision

142 pointsby AlphaGeekZuluabout 4 years ago

20 comments

AlphaGeekZuluabout 4 years ago
The two satellites involved are:<p>OPS 6182 (10820, 1978-042A): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;satellite&#x2F;?s=10820" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;satellite&#x2F;?s=10820</a><p>SL-8 R&#x2F;B (12443, 1981-041B): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;satellite&#x2F;?s=12443" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;satellite&#x2F;?s=12443</a><p>They are on head-on course. With a probability of about 80 percent they will miss each other. With a probability of more than 20 percent they will impact at a speed of more than 50000 km&#x2F;h in an altitude of 780 km.<p>The two objects are not important (an old Russian rocket piece and an old US weather satellite).<p>But upon impact, the objects will create a large cloud of debris, that might collide with more objects, in the worst case in a chain reaction.<p>The danger is not falling debris, but that they will produce more damage in their orbit, maybe hitting more essential space equipment in the future.<p>No need to hide in a bunker.
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teromabout 4 years ago
Missed? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;EU_SST&#x2F;status&#x2F;1380601898164744199" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;EU_SST&#x2F;status&#x2F;1380601898164744199</a><p>&gt; UPDATE: #EUSST’s network of sensors has only detected a single object or echo at passes over three radars after close approach. Most likely, the collision between SL-8 R&#x2F;B and OPS 6182 did not take place. We will continue observing the objects to confirm this assessment.
SethTroabout 4 years ago
Leolabs is tracking as well. Their data suggests a slightly lower but &gt;2% chance of collision<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;LeoLabs_Space&#x2F;status&#x2F;1380549507390259203" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;LeoLabs_Space&#x2F;status&#x2F;1380549507390259203</a>
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polishdude20about 4 years ago
You can watch a map of both here!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;?s=12443|10820" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;?s=12443|10820</a>
spzbabout 4 years ago
How soon after the event will we find out whether they collided?
mikewarotabout 4 years ago
Tangent: I went to find UTC, and they&#x27;ve redesigned time.gov, it looks great on my desktop.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;time.gov&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;time.gov&#x2F;</a>
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keithwhorabout 4 years ago
For anybody interested, they missed:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;?s=12443|10820" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.n2yo.com&#x2F;?s=12443|10820</a><p>(Link further in thread.)
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temp0826about 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kessler_syndrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kessler_syndrome</a>
m463about 4 years ago
<p><pre><code> date -d &quot;2021-04-09T17:18:21 UTC&quot; </code></pre> result: time in your timezone (on linux)
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artemonsterabout 4 years ago
How likely is a massive satellite collapse is to happen in nearest future? Are there any educated guesses&#x2F;estimates?
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yetiheheabout 4 years ago
Anyone knows above where it could happen? I see that it&#x27;s almost 800km above earth, but what about nearest lat&#x2F;lon?
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Buttons840about 4 years ago
Do near misses (hopefully) like this happen without us knowing, or do we track almost everything in orbit?
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undecisiveabout 4 years ago
In summary, a rocket body and an old weather satellite want to have a nice big hug. At high speed. Producing a cloud of 4 million fragments. 400 of which will bigger than 20cm.<p>Except that they&#x27;ll probably miss (by about 10m). Probably.<p>Really interesting how much of this is statistical probabilities, and how much we can model about this. Right down to particle sizes.<p>And yet, I still have so many questions. Mostly involving the maths from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;what-if.xkcd.com&#x2F;13&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;what-if.xkcd.com&#x2F;13&#x2F;</a> and whether we could push either of them out of the way...
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gmusleraabout 4 years ago
With a bit of luck, Sandra Bullock won&#x27;t be involved in a satellite collision this time.
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AlphaGeekZuluabout 4 years ago
Brace, brace, brace ...
superkuhabout 4 years ago
Here&#x27;s the text without having to execute arbitrary code from twitter.<p>---<p>Update: according to #EUSST&#x27;s latest estimates using data from its surveillance radars, the close approach between #space objects SL-8 R&#x2F;B &amp; OPS 6182 expected by tomorrow will have a miss distance under 10m and a Scaled Probability of Collision over 20%! +updates to follow soon<p>See the below plot for the conjunction plane at Time of Close Approach (TCA) #EUSST #spacedebris #space<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EycvaPZWQAMXjV2?format=png&amp;name=large" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EycvaPZWQAMXjV2?format=png&amp;name=...</a><p>Update: #EUSST simulations indicate that the potential collision between the two #space objects would generate more than 4 million fragments. This plot shows the Delta-V distribution of the whole cloud of fragments #spacedebris<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EyhGxpjXMAE-pmM?format=jpg&amp;name=small" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EyhGxpjXMAE-pmM?format=jpg&amp;name=...</a><p>More than 400 of the fragments generated by the potential collision would be larger than 20cm. Gabbard diagram shows the extent of orbital regimes that these simulated fragments would reach. #EUSST continues monitoring the probability of collision. Stay tuned for more updates.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EyhQ_InWYAI5V5a?format=jpg&amp;name=small" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EyhQ_InWYAI5V5a?format=jpg&amp;name=...</a><p>Latest update: according to #EUSST the close approach between #space objects SL-8 R&#x2F;B and OPS 6182 remains stable in geometry and in Scaled Probability of Collision. Miss distance would be ~21m and Scaled PoC over 20%. This should be the last estimate until TCA.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EyiBCnsXEAAgrCu?format=jpg&amp;name=small" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;EyiBCnsXEAAgrCu?format=jpg&amp;name=...</a>
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marshmallow_12about 4 years ago
did they hit or miss?
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marshmallow_12about 4 years ago
it&#x27;s 2021 now. They have presumably been tracking the orbits of there large objects for years now. Yes this is literally rocket science, but this collision is only a few hours away. Why can&#x27;t they do better then a vague 20%?
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the0nyxabout 4 years ago
CRISIS AVERTED
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civilianabout 4 years ago
edit: nevermind
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