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Google’s lawyer accidentally made a sensitive document public

430 pointsby PretzelFischabout 4 years ago

19 comments

wpietriabout 4 years ago
Ooh, this is a great point: &quot;there is reason to believe that the further the government is willing to go in its statutory definition of publicity the greater likelihood is there that it may be excused from the necessity of exercising direct administrative control.&quot; -- Henry Adams <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Henry_Adams" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Henry_Adams</a><p>I particularly like the idea that corporate tax returns should be public, just like the way 990 forms from nonprofits are. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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stefan_about 4 years ago
This has the redacted document:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jason_kint&#x2F;status&#x2F;1381057389265321989" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jason_kint&#x2F;status&#x2F;1381057389265321989</a><p>So you can see they redact &quot;Bernanke&quot; as in &quot;Project Bernanke&quot;. Why? What possible trade secret is there involved in naming something after a guy that never worked for you? What kind of judge acquiesces to this bullshit?<p>Where is Alsup to tell these clowns to no more redactions?
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cycomanicabout 4 years ago
So will there be criminal charges brought. I highly doubt it. That is typically the problem, a normal person gets the book thrown at them (even if they e.g. commit a crime accidentally), while nobody goes after the big guys because it is deemed to be too expensive or some other reason.
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perl4everabout 4 years ago
(2010)<p>&quot;...during the five minutes it took to draft and send the email, Google’s Gmail email system automatically saved eight “snapshots” of the email and put the copies into the author’s draft email folder. No action was required by the author. It was all done by the auto-save.<p>When Google learned that it had inadvertently produced draft versions of the email to Oracle, it requested that Oracle return all copies. Oracle complied, but filed a motion to compel production of the draft and final versions of the email. Oracle successfully convinced the district court that the email was not protected by any privilege, and the court ordered the production of all versions of the email. Google sought a writ of mandamus to have the district court’s ruling overturned, but the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit denied the writ.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.millercanfield.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;article&#x2F;200378_MCNewsletter_E-Discovery_7.19.12.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.millercanfield.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;article&#x2F;200378_MCNewsle...</a>
gundmcabout 4 years ago
Discussed 12 hours ago with 40+ comments: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26767088" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26767088</a>
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lupireabout 4 years ago
The auction part of this sounds like what people say rock bands and Nvidia should do: raise prices to make supply match demand and cut scalpers out of the loop.<p>BTW, the OP is a copyright-dodging paywall-bypassing rehash of a WSJ article <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;googles-secret-project-bernanke-revealed-in-texas-antitrust-case-11618097760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;googles-secret-project-bernanke...</a>
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pasttense01about 4 years ago
A comment in the article by Sam Iam says:<p>&quot;Think how weird it would be if the cosmetologists trade org suddenly started requiring people to get a BA in whatever, as the ABA does, before they could go to a barber training program and had all 50 states make that the law in order to get a license&quot;<p>Well actually they go to schools of cosmetology, but note this California training requirement:<p>&quot;According to the state of California, students must complete at least 1600 hours of training in an accredited program to start their journey of becoming a licensed cosmetologist.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tspasanjose.com&#x2F;how-to-become-a-cosmetologist-in-california&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tspasanjose.com&#x2F;how-to-become-a-cosmetologist-in...</a><p>Conversely how much traning do you think is required to become an EMT (Emergency Medical Technician) in California?<p>&quot;California EMT programs are at least 160 hours and include at least 136 hours of didactic training and at least 24 hours of clinical training. The individual must have 10 patient contacts.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthcarepathway.com&#x2F;become-an-emt&#x2F;california-emt&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthcarepathway.com&#x2F;become-an-emt&#x2F;california-e...</a><p>Yes, it takes 10 times as much training to become a cosmetologist as it does to become an EMT in California. Anyone else think this is totally crazy?
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mettamageabout 4 years ago
So can someone with some knowledge about Google’s and Facebook’s past give an idea on how legally and morally good&#x2F;bad this is compared to previous things they did?<p>It seems really bad, to the point that Black Mirror-esque things are simply a decade away.<p>With that said, I don’t know enough to draw that conclusion.
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EastSmithabout 4 years ago
Google needs to be split in 4. Adsense, Adwords, Chrome and Android. Thank you.
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forgingaheadabout 4 years ago
WSJ article on this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;googles-secret-project-bernanke-revealed-in-texas-antitrust-case-11618097760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;googles-secret-project-bernanke...</a>
srswtf123about 4 years ago
Every name that signed that document <i>ought</i> to be criminally charged, though like other commenters, I find it unlikely. TANJ.
lordnachoabout 4 years ago
A position I&#x27;ve come to via free markets is public information.<p>If you look at economic inefficiency, a lot of models depend on some kind of information problem, eg the famous lemon cars.<p>Consequently, I think far more of how society works should be made public:<p>- Actual incomes from various sources. Maybe anonymize it, but I&#x27;ve looked up my Norwegian friends&#x27; incomes and it hasn&#x27;t caused a revolution or an epidemic of kidnappings yet. X person is a doctor, he needs a 10 year degree to do that, he get paid £120k, he gets this much pension, these are his working hours. Again, as you grow up you find out some of this but it&#x27;s very not easy to find, especially when you&#x27;re deciding.<p>- Actual business models. &quot;We provide a search engine, where we dynamically auction off advertising space, it makes x amount of money, and we thin y and z are critical to our profitability. Here&#x27;s book about how it works.&quot; To some degree we know this about certain large businesses, but apart from the huge firms whose models have Ben Thompson writing about them, it&#x27;s not actually that easy. It should be easy for everyone who&#x27;s graduated high school to find out how the largest 10k firms in the country operate, so that people can think about how to improve things.<p>- Actual business models, part 2. &quot;We make x millions from y thousand widgets, which we sell to these people. Our suppliers are these firms, and we paid this much to them.&quot; Which again is one of those things where you can say &quot;Google pays Apple to be default&quot; but I also want to know if there&#x27;s some other relationship that maybe I could get my company into. Or it may be that there&#x27;s some social negative such as monopoly that we want to know sooner rather than later.<p>- A who-owns-what database that doesn&#x27;t have anonymizing entities in it. How will we know how society works if we don&#x27;t have this? There&#x27;s no way to know who has an interest in what without this. Again, you can say &quot;kidnappings&quot; but there&#x27;s got to be some middle ground here. It&#x27;s also a bit strange for society&#x27;s major legal invention, property law, to work in favor of people when they ask for it, but the rest of the time society doesn&#x27;t know who it is protecting. I&#x27;m no expert but you&#x27;d think a sane system would say &quot;so-and-so owns this land, and in exchange for a bit of tax we&#x27;ll make sure they can use it as they see fit&quot;.<p>- Government needs to be transparent. People already believe this, it&#x27;s just quite hard and boring to get done. But for instance David Cameron trying to lobby his old mates, it&#x27;s a great thing that we can see it.<p>As for this specific article, the interesting thing is that if ads were traded on a security market, a whole can of worms would be opened. We discovered a long time ago that it&#x27;s bad to favor certain participants, so some stringent rules were put in place regarding fairness. But if I make a market for some other thing and behave the same way, it&#x27;s not nearly as serious. I mean sure maybe they&#x27;ll get done for this, but will it be proportional to the harm? Write to me when they&#x27;re broken up, as the LSE would be if they made a principal business that front-runs the customers.
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ma2rtenabout 4 years ago
I wouldn&#x27;t take what someone says on substack at face value. Does anyone know if the unredacted document is available somewhere?
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WCityMikeabout 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t know for sure this happened, but the adjective &quot;properly&quot; in &quot;properly redacted&quot; makes me wonder if they did black highlight, or drew black boxes over the text, instead of using a PDF editor&#x27;s redaction feature. Only the latter truly works.
0goel0about 4 years ago
OT: I sub to Matt Stoller but weirdly didn&#x27;t receive this newsletter. Checked spam, nothing.<p>Was there maybe a substack outage?
raverbashingabout 4 years ago
Humm remember when Google&#x27;s confidential commercial information about Android &quot;accidentally&quot; leaked most likely through the opposing council that time <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk.finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;why-leaked-android-numbers-put-235748225.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk.finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;why-leaked-android-numbers...</a>
bawolffabout 4 years ago
Why are they going on about tax returns? Doesnt seem like that&#x27;s related to what was leaked.
kodahabout 4 years ago
&gt; The court system is supposed to be a public accounting<p>I&#x27;m not a lawyer but I can&#x27;t see how having every court case public is a good thing. The public accountability should likely be based on judges (the participants) and whistleblowers with a solid burden of proof threshold. Court cases <i>do</i> need to stay private in my mind.
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tgsovlerkhgselabout 4 years ago
I know many like this sort of article, but I lost interest at &quot;Henry Adams, one of the most important thinkers in the 19th century&quot;, because it promises that the article will blather on with philosophical arguments for a long time before actually revealing its point (and thus before showing whether it is worth to spend any time on it).
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