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RMS addresses the free software community

527 pointsby cautionabout 4 years ago

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b215826about 4 years ago
Now, would the journalists who wrote articles with titles that are a variation of &quot;RMS defended Epstein&quot; [1,2] apologize or at least correct their articles? Also, now that RMS has explicitly clarified his position on these issues, can the people who leveraged his &quot;silence&quot; and &quot;bad behavior&quot; to oust him from the FSF at least admit that their motive was less about making the free-software movement welcoming and was more about getting rid of RMS?<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedailybeast.com&#x2F;famed-mit-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-defends-epstein-victims-were-entirely-willing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedailybeast.com&#x2F;famed-mit-computer-scientist-r...</a> [2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;9ke3ke&#x2F;famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;article&#x2F;9ke3ke&#x2F;famed-computer-scient...</a>
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Osmoseabout 4 years ago
The Minsky defense was not the primary, most important reason RMS can&#x27;t serve as an effective, inclusive leader for free software, it was just the one that got the most attention. This does nothing to address the numerous complaints of harassment towards MIT students, the _other_ times he spoke out in implicit support of pedophilia, the public gaffes that are unacceptable as a public representative (e.g. the foot skin eating thing), and the fact that the FSF under Stallman kinda lost to open source anyway and hasn&#x27;t really done anything besides virtue signal to others about how pure and ethical they are.
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jancsikaabout 4 years ago
That&#x27;s great, but the problem seems to be RMS&#x27;s disruption of development activities. This doesn&#x27;t change that. For example:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lists.gnu.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;html&#x2F;emacs-devel&#x2F;2015-01&#x2F;msg00187.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lists.gnu.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;html&#x2F;emacs-devel&#x2F;2015-01&#x2F;msg00...</a><p>Imagine taking the time to publicly explain to an out-of-practice dev why some technical feature is needed, then being accused of a &quot;pressure campaign&quot; that requires the out-of-practice dev to consult privately, &quot;with people I have confidence in.&quot;<p>Gnu devs have an impressive amount of patience and grace to put up with that. But I see a lot of other FOSS devs try to replicate RMS&#x27;s unnecessarily aggressive rhetoric. They often shoot themselves in the foot with it, disrespecting and consequently losing valuable contributors who are otherwise aligned philosophically with the project in every way.<p>That kind of disruption is at odds with every value FOSS devs claim to hold-- meritocratic, decentralized, etc. Even Debian put the hammer down when an out-of-practice dev tried to use permissions to disrupt the work of a new dev. Nobody sane and self-respecting should put up with this kind of behavior.<p>Edit: clarification
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stusmallabout 4 years ago
&quot;Later in life, I discovered that some people had negative reactions to my behavior, which I did not even know about. Tending to be direct and honest with my thoughts, I sometimes made others uncomfortable or even offended them -- especially women. This was not a choice: I didn&#x27;t understand the problem enough to know which choices there were.<p>Sometimes I lost my temper because I didn&#x27;t have the social skills to avoid it. Some people could cope with this; others were hurt. I apologize to each of them. Please direct your criticism at me, not at the Free Software Foundation.&quot;<p>This is such a great argument for why he shouldn&#x27;t be in a leadership position. These social skills are crucial in this role.
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rbanffyabout 4 years ago
It kind of misses the point it was never just about Minsky and Epstein.<p>&gt; I sometimes made others uncomfortable or even offended them -- especially women. This was not a choice: I didn&#x27;t understand the problem enough to know which choices there were.<p>Did anyone explain him that he downplayed the role of women in the GNU project? Janis Johnson, Sandra Loosemore, and Dorit Nuzman, to name a few, all did extraordinary work. Did he ever correct his statements about no women volunteering to work on GCC? Did he even read the author lists?<p>Did anyone ever tell him the Emacs virgins thing is very inappropriate? I&#x27;m pretty sure someone must have done that and, if not, he must have read the account of one young girl about how she felt. The fact he did that routine for years indicates he didn&#x27;t listen or didn&#x27;t care enough to change. And no, it&#x27;s not normal for adults to be sexually attracted to teens.<p>I am very sure he now has been informed his behaviour is unacceptable. Is he doing anything to change that? That he doesn&#x27;t have the innate wiring to recognise those subtle cues makes it more necessary for him to listen and take action on his behaviour because he is seen as the person behind the FSF and his actions and opinions reflect on the entire community.<p>All these are clear indications he, and the FSF board, don&#x27;t see any of these as problems and that, sadly, makes them unfit to lead the Free Software community.
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heinrichhartmanabout 4 years ago
I think message is genuine, and sympathize with his stand. His work on free software has been invaluable and shaped the software world in a good way. To paint the whole person as a &quot;bad guy&quot; (&quot;terrible person&quot;) in the context of the latest developments always seemed off to me.<p>However, usually apologies in this context backfire. Everything that you say about this can and will be used against you. This has happened to various people before, who (I believe) have been well-meaning but offended the wrong people.<p>I sincerely hope the best for him, but I don&#x27;t expect this apology&#x2F;elaboration will help him.
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bigbillheckabout 4 years ago
People keep focusing on the Minsky thing, but if Stallman hadn&#x27;t spent the last 40 years being a creep (the &quot;emacs virgin&quot; thing), being a creep (&#x27;tender embraces&#x27;), being abusive (the FSF unionized to protect themselves from him), being abusive (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;migueldeicaza&#x2F;status&#x2F;1174044770546659329" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;migueldeicaza&#x2F;status&#x2F;1174044770546659329</a>), being abusive (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mattblaze&#x2F;status&#x2F;1374460763910201350" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;mattblaze&#x2F;status&#x2F;1374460763910201350</a>), being a jerk (&quot;These birth announcements also spread the myth that having a baby is something to be proud of&quot;), then he might have been able to weather the storm a little better.<p>This isn&#x27;t a &#x27;oh, he said one thing one time about one person&#x27; situation, this is instead a lifetime of behavior that for anybody else would have had consequences long ago.
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ziml77about 4 years ago
Short and to the point. I like an apology that doesn&#x27;t read like an essay. The more they ramble on the less genuine they feel.<p>(I still don&#x27;t believe this apology should have been considered necessary though)
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sheepdestroyerabout 4 years ago
The constant mischaracterization of what he really meant, by reposting the same misquotes of his emails, was really shameful for a lot of &#x27;journalists&#x27;.
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unsungNoveltyabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m gonna drop this again where ACLU&#x27;s former president Nadine Strossen shares her view which is more sophisticated and thought through than mine is anyways - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wetheweb.org&#x2F;post&#x2F;cancel-we-the-web" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wetheweb.org&#x2F;post&#x2F;cancel-we-the-web</a>
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frohabout 4 years ago
a companion to the &quot;Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman&quot; one minute later<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fsf.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fsf.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-...</a>
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mariusorabout 4 years ago
Reading this breaks my heart a little. Having the humility to bow to the people that harassed him and the FSF is a gesture I wasn&#x27;t really expecting from him.<p>However it&#x27;s refreshing to see that people that are consistently seen as abrasive and negative, can introspect, even due to external circumstances, and try to correct their behaviour so late in life.<p>I feel like online we need to try to empathize a lot more with others that don&#x27;t match the well established &quot;disadvantaged&quot; categories instead of piling on the negativity.
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Zelphyrabout 4 years ago
I really hope this will be sufficient to let this whole situation rest. The right thing to do is to accept his apology while holding him accountable for his commitment to be better in the future.
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AdmiralAsshatabout 4 years ago
It&#x27;s good that he acknowledges his comments hurt people. It&#x27;s good that he is pledging to do better. I think as far as apologies go, this one ticks most of the boxes as far as admitting personal fault and not using weasel-words to blame the victims or apologize &quot;if you were offended.&quot;<p>With all that said, I don&#x27;t think this is going to bring any of the lost sponsors back.
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ashtonkemabout 4 years ago
I really have no idea why anyone wants to keep RMS in charge of the FSF based on his work product alone. What has the FSF been doing other than slowly sliding into irrelevancy over the past 20 years?
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ichaabout 4 years ago
Well, good for him. Hope this nonsensical witch hunt will naturally wither away.
zajio1amabout 4 years ago
It is fascinating to me how humane and sincere his statement is (compared to empty phrases of corporate leaders and predictable rhetoric of culture warriors), considering his putative issues with tone-deafness and social clues.
Jan454about 4 years ago
The good side of this witch-hunt is that the bad and the ugly revealed themselves. E.g. RedHat or Mozilla stopped their support to the fsf[1] with this hunt as scapegoat.<p>.. really sad for RedHat though ..<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;redhat_fsf_funding_richard_stallman&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;redhat_fsf_funding_ri...</a>
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sthomas1618about 4 years ago
Note to others: Try not to defend yourself in an apology. Otherwise it ceases to become an apology, and instead becomes a list of reasons why there should be no accountability.
pieter_mjabout 4 years ago
Extremely well put statements by RMS and FSF. Clearly, RMS has many true leadership capacities and is absolutely devoid of any corruptability.<p>I&#x27;m wondering if this last talent does actually require being on the spectrum, as he admits to in his first paragraphs.
tycommentabout 4 years ago
The misinformation goes on. Susan Boos, president of the Swiss Press Council (!) writes:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aargauerzeitung.ch&#x2F;amp&#x2F;meinung&#x2F;gastkommentar-richard-stallman-sexismus-software-sozialismus-und-das-ende-einer-guten-idee-ld.2123542" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aargauerzeitung.ch&#x2F;amp&#x2F;meinung&#x2F;gastkommentar-ric...</a><p>&quot;Es ging um unterschiedliche sexistische Übergriffe. An seiner Bürotür stand «Ritter für Gerechtigkeit (auch: heisse Ladies)».&quot;<p>&quot;The topic were various sexual assaults. On his office door there was a sign «knight for justice (also: hot ladies)».&quot;<p>This has been debunked multiple times, in fact the photo shows it was most likely students making a joke:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stallmansupport.org&#x2F;say-it-with-a-meme.html#door" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stallmansupport.org&#x2F;say-it-with-a-meme.html#door</a><p>Way to go, Swiss &quot;Press Council&quot; ...
jan46about 4 years ago
RMS really stays behind what he says.<p>I&#x27;m very glad he is around!
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conradevabout 4 years ago
I wonder if RMS wrote apology emails to the individuals that he hurt:<p>&gt; I sometimes made others uncomfortable or even offended them -- especially women.<p>If not, someone might need to explain to him that that too is customary in our society.
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AzzieElbababout 4 years ago
Reads like - I can’t pass your compliance litmus tests and neither can I keep quiet. Please leave me alone
ldarginabout 4 years ago
RMS&#x27; letter is good; it settles my concerns about him. I can&#x27;t say that keeping him in the board is good for the FSF, but oh well...
prependabout 4 years ago
&gt; False accusations -- real or imaginary, against me or against others -- especially anger me.<p>I feel similarly and wonder what this is called or how many others feel similarly. It’s curious to me as I try to solve problems and filter truth from false just in general everyday life so when someone says something that seems false it sticks out to me in my thoughts. I stopped trying to correct this as it seems most people aren’t very receptive, to say the least :) I’m not sure if people don’t care because being wrong isn’t the most important part, or they already know it’s false and don’t care.<p>It’s fun learning about how different people see the world and I think it’s cool how many different people there are in the world and people have really different world views than I.
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mplewisabout 4 years ago
This is not an apology.
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DoreenMicheleabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m quite impressed with this statement. It isn&#x27;t at all what I expected.<p>I hope he can put this mess behind him.
artificialLimbsabout 4 years ago
It is great that RMS is trying to explore his emotional capacity and relate to others!<p>Shocking in these comments how many people believe that people are not responsible for their own emotions. No one can &quot;hurt another&quot; emotionally. It is up to each person to take the mature (and logical) stance that &quot;I am responsible for my emotions&quot;. If something someone does or says &quot;hurts me&quot; emotionally, it is because I have chosen to allow that emotion, or I have not sufficiently dealt with the circumstances that have caused it to arise such that I am unable to process it in a manner which does not put the responsibility for its arising on another.<p>I&#x27;m not saying that if someone shoots your mother you shouldn&#x27;t feel angry or sad, but that the anger or sadness is not CAUSED by another. It arises solely within you. You can see that this is true because people react wholly differently dependent upon the individual. It is within human capability to positively act from a place of clarity rather than negatively react from emotion.<p>It seems clear from this short page that RMS understands this.
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gamacheabout 4 years ago
This will definitely clear things up.
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kache_about 4 years ago
So what will mozilla say now? Are they proud of essentially bullying a man who has a disability?
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Zelphyrabout 4 years ago
Unrelated but, I&#x27;m curious: how does RMS pay the bills? The FSF board seat is a volunteer position and he no longer works for MIT. Is he paid as a consultant or something?
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type0about 4 years ago
I&#x27;m getting tired of seeing this second uninstallman dramatizations everywhere, FOSS blogs, Linux distros, Twitter, HN, but what do I know, the witchhunt will go on.
jMylesabout 4 years ago
Seems reasonable to me, though I am among the crowd who didn&#x27;t read his initial statement as anything resembling a defense of Epstein.
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SuperSandro2000about 4 years ago
This just reads like a politician got caught in corruption and trying to find excuses and putting himself as the victim. Nothing really changed, nothing except promises and FSF still tried to sneak in RMS and got caught.
ggooabout 4 years ago
good on him.
kodahabout 4 years ago
Some believe that RMS did nothing wrong. If he hurt people, that&#x27;s worth addressing, because it is <i>people</i> who make up the free software communities. A function of leadership is to be accountable, not perfect, and in that vein it is on RMS to respond as he did.<p>I always cringe when I see people engage in apology grading. I may be in the minority here but I rarely find it appropriate for leaders in any sense to apologize. It&#x27;s your job to lead, whether that be in thought, action, or both and I expect that over the course of thousands of decisions for an increasingly ballooning pool of people to represent that you will make mistakes, even large ones, along the way. What I do expect is that leaders are accountable. That doesn&#x27;t mean to say that leaders should be bound to write out formal apologies to people they hurt, because for every decision on an important issue you will end up hurting someone.<p>For instance, the ideals of free software (as defined by RMS and others) from time to time will likely offend and hurt others. This was relevant when people were trying to modify free software licenses to prevent their software from being used by certain government agencies or authoritarian governments while attempting to continue to benefit from the term &quot;free software&quot;. Unfortunately, as pointed out, that very act violated the principles of free software, which exist in their purity to ensure access to even the most oppressed societies across the world. I am sure the people who championed the purity of this access were viewed as hurtful and oppressive by some in the moment. I do expect that these folks will stand up in the face of fierce opposition and will confidently answer their intent and mitigating circumstances and take note for improvements into the future; the same way we would RCA good software.<p>I have a hard time understanding why RMS spends so much time openly espousing his thoughts on a wide range of subjects. I do this in my personal time with friends but I constrain that to people I know because they understand me and my principles. On the other hand, saying that he isn&#x27;t allowed to comment on other things or classifying that activity as &quot;distracting&quot; is interesting. I feel the same way when I find out developers I like and follow have edgy opinions about race and gender, but I also draw a line of distinction that acknowledges that their experiences in life may just be different from mine, even if they occasionally offend me, and that&#x27;s okay. The world does take all types, and things I&#x27;ve taken offense to have been done in good faith a good amount of the time.<p>The last notion I&#x27;ll touch on is that we often expect that leaders will be fully invested in advancing our goals and the traits of the organization. We champion leaders who can take an organization that has lost its way and turn it into something, but do we make the same expectations of ourselves <i>to</i> leaders. Is there a point where we start to invest ourselves into organically growing RMS in certain facets? Free software has grown and evolved, but it sounds like RMS hasn&#x27;t - should we really cast him aside and decide all of his investment in <i>us</i> is now worthless that <i>he</i> requires investment? That&#x27;s not to say that people haven&#x27;t tried to course correct him, because they likely have, but sometimes in order to grow people need things to get worse in order to get better. That&#x27;s where <i>our</i> investment, as a community, in him starts. That could mean that he seeks therapy, it could mean he gets a publicist, it could mean a wide variety of things, but I&#x27;m favorable to treating leaders like the humans that they are.
MikeUtabout 4 years ago
While I support RMS and find the lies peddled about him abhorrent, this article convinced me he is not fit to serve as the public face of free software: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ebb.org&#x2F;bkuhn&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;10&#x2F;15&#x2F;fsf-rms.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ebb.org&#x2F;bkuhn&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;10&#x2F;15&#x2F;fsf-rms.html</a><p>In short: He harmed the cause of free software by making public statements on unrelated, controversial issues.
selfishgeneabout 4 years ago
Both MIT and Harvard have admitted to helping Jeffrey Epstein avoid prosecution on federal racketeering charges for the sex-trafficking of minors after they were exposed by whistle-blowers at both of these institutions.<p>I&#x27;m still not sure why people consider it appropriate to exclude someone like Stallman from serving on the Board of the FSF while continuing to allow Mr. Rafael Reif, for example, to remain president of MIT after sending a personally signed &quot;thank-you note&quot; to one of the most notorious alleged sex-traffickers and convicted child-rapists in US history:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bostonglobe.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;12&#x2F;after-epstein-affair-president-rafael-reif-should-not-running-mit&#x2F;C3weZQW2qtw6qbEgFkNFJO&#x2F;story.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bostonglobe.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;12&#x2F;after-epstei...</a><p>Nor would it be any more appropriate to allow Mr. Seth Lloyd back onto the MIT campus with just a slap on the wrist:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetech.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;mit-administration-epstein-op-ed" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetech.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;mit-administration-epstein-op...</a><p>Or Mr. Martin Nowak for that matter either:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bostonglobe.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;metro&#x2F;harvard-sanctions-professor-with-close-jeffrey-epstein-ties-closes-program-he-ran&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bostonglobe.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;metro&#x2F;harvard-sanctio...</a><p>This hacker news thread on Nowak is worth reading again:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25442060" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25442060</a><p>So why has nobody drafted petitions to cancel Rafael &quot;Thank You So Much Mr. Epstein -- And Don&#x27;t Forget to Show My Letter to Federal Prosecutors&quot; Reif, Benedict &quot;Epstein is an Ideal Donor for Harvard&quot; Gross, Alan &quot;Dershbag&quot; Dershowitz, Martin &quot;Punishment Serves No Noble Purpose&quot; Nowak, Steven &quot;Using the Internet to Entice a Minor into Prostition is A-Okay&quot; Pinker, Seth &quot;So What If I Make Female Undergraduates at MIT Feel Uncomfortable &quot;Lloyd, Neri &quot;Epstein was Always a Reliable Supporter of Israel&quot; Oxman, Frank &quot;I Never Saw any Girls that were Underage&quot; Wilczek, and all of the other pedophilia-tolerating two-faced phonies that attended EDGE Foundation dinners hosted by the convicted child rapist and&#x2F;or visited him on &quot;Pedophile Isle,&quot; where FBI reportedly found instruction manuals that Mr. Epstein had ordered on Amazon that describe how to create a so-called &quot;sex slave,&quot; in addition to video tapes containing child pornography that he allegedly recorded using secret cameras that were installed throughout his various residences?<p>Stallman blaming his &quot;being on the spectrum&quot; for all of the troubling statements cataloged on the website cited below may not entirely excuse Mr. Stallman for making them since there is no evidence that someone on the spectrum is more likely than the general population to hold similar views on child rape:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;geekfeminism.wikia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Richard_Stallman" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;geekfeminism.wikia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Richard_Stallman</a><p>But the most important question today that Mr. Stallman needs to address directly, <i>because many of his critics on this issue continue to hold him in the highest regard for his role in advancing the free software movement</i>, is a very frank one:<p>Were his remarks in support of pedophilia designed to persuade Mr. Epstein to donate part of his $500 million estate to the Free Software Foundation, much like he observed role-models such as MIT president Rafael Reif do for Mr. Epstein when Dr. Reif sent Mr. Epstein a personally signed thank-you note for his donation to the Media Lab, or colleagues like Martin Nowak do for Mr. Epstein when Dr. Nowak created a web page on a university website and an office in his department for a convicted child-rapist in exchange for tens of millions of dollars in donations that were promised to his academic program at Harvard and hundreds of millions of dollars in donations, often laundered through Epstein&#x27;s fellow billionaire pedophile friends like Les Wexner, Glenn Dubin, and Leon Black, to Harvard University, where Mr. Nowak is a professor?<p>I&#x27;m not entirely convinced by the naysayers on this one yet, but Stallman is most deserving of forgiveness thus far, and not because of his autism, but rather because of all of his contributions to free software in spite of it.<p>Some of the other dogs cited above deserve to spend time in the same jail cell where Epstein killed himself because he was too much of a coward to stand trial for all of the crimes that he knew he had committed.
chipotle_coyoteabout 4 years ago
I think there&#x27;s a <i>lot</i> of rhetoric that implicitly, or even explicitly, insists that there are easily defined bright lines here: &quot;Say [thing X] and you should definitively be out, full stop&quot; vs. &quot;Anything you say or do &#x27;off the clock&#x27; has no bearing on your work whatsoever, no way no how.&quot; I&#x27;m extremely doubtful those lines actually exist. Context matters, and in practice -- for both good and ill -- the social norms and mores of the time, place, and organizations in question <i>are</i> going to come into play, and it&#x27;s just unrealistic to expect otherwise.<p>And, sure, this is political in some real sense, but it&#x27;s not just the politics of &quot;the other side.&quot; A C-suite executive at Patagonia is likely to be not-so-politely asked to find other work if they start publicly pushing Trumpworld&#x27;s stolen election propaganda; a C-suite executive at a Catholic hospital is going to face capital-Q Questions if it comes out that they&#x27;ve donated tens of thousands of dollars to Planned Parenthood. What you do &quot;off the clock&quot; matters to your employer <i>if they feel it reflects badly on them.</i> This is not some kind of brand new thing that wouldn&#x27;t have happened if it wasn&#x27;t for those angry millennials with their twitters and their social justices. What&#x27;s changed over time are the specifics of Things Perceived To Reflect Badly.<p>With respect to RMS, there have been reports about his bad social behavior for <i>decades.</i> In the last few years, our attitudes toward harassing behavior has grown a lot less tolerant, and &quot;Ha ha, that&#x27;s just ol&#x27; creepy Bob, what are you gonna do, am I right&quot; is no longer seen as a sufficient response. &quot;Sure, Bob is a creep, but he&#x27;s done such great work, so just suck it up, Buttercup&quot; sends a message to prospective employees, customers, donors, sponsors, vendors, etc., that companies and organizations are increasingly deciding that they do not want to send. I understand that this sucks for the ol&#x27; creepy Bobs of the world, but is that really sufficient reason to default to taking Bob&#x27;s side?<p>The pro-RMS thread that runs through these comments[1] is, and I am only barely paraphrasing here, <i>Stallman&#x27;s contributions to the free software movement are so important they excuse his documented mistreatment of others for decades.</i> In other words: be a big enough name in free software and you can get away with anything, baby.<p>And maybe you&#x27;re comfortable with that message. But I&#x27;m not at all sure you should be.<p>[1] There is also a pro-RMS thread running through these comments which I can paraphrase as &quot;but he was only <i>hypothetically</i> defending pedophilia and it&#x27;s so dishonest of the media to present that as if it were weird and disturbing in any possible way,&quot; which, I mean, look. There&#x27;s a reasonable discussion to be had about how &quot;Think of the Children&quot; has become the third rail of all internet discussions, but this ain&#x27;t it, chief.
kitsune_about 4 years ago
So, with all the talk about RMS being on the autism spectrum in the last threads on this topic, with RMS speculating about it himself, and now this letter where he talks about his problems about interpreting social cues: To me this reads if he never bothered to get an official diagnosis? Since there is a lot of stigma that comes with neurodevelopmental disorders and mental health in general, I get that this is a highly private matter. That said, if it&#x27;s the case that he truly suspects that he is on the autism spectrum but never bothered to get a diagnosis that would somewhat be a bad sign to me just on a general level, considering all the push back that he obviously got from people because of his behaviour.
bitwizeabout 4 years ago
No real accountability, no addressing the <i>decades</i> of bad behavior that drove people -- particularly women -- from free software in fear and disgust, no whiff of an attempt to substantively <i>do better</i> on the issues of inclusion and representation plaguing the movement. Just excuses and playing the autism card, which goes over about as well as it did for Christian Weston Chandler. Typical RMS.<p>Judgement made.<p>The FSF should remove Stallman from its board and <i>publicly</i> distance itself from him. Otherwise judgement will come for the FSF too. They&#x27;ve already lost the good will of Red Hat, which was <i>the</i> organization driving actual development of the Linux ecosystem. It&#x27;s hard to run a foundation, or a movement, without money.<p>Imagine if RMS lived to see the FSF go bankrupt, and its assets purchased by hostile corporations who then go on to make GCC and Emacs proprietary? They could do this because of the CLA they make contributors sign. A bitterly ironic end to a noble movement.
stonogoabout 4 years ago
It&#x27;s disgusting that the FSF not only snuck the return of RMS into the end of LibrePlanet without notifying anyone, drove out the wrongthinking staff before creating a staff position on the board, and now to cap it off are writing articles instructing people on how to react to these things.<p>RMS is not a good leader. The FSF should pay him for his work on GPL and leave him off the board. The FSF should also stop writing instructions for other people on how to treat the FSF, and should instead focus on <i>earning</i> the response they want to see from their supporters.
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DanBCabout 4 years ago
&gt; Some have described me as being &quot;tone-deaf,&quot; and that is fair. With my difficulty in understanding social cues, that tends to happen. For instance, I defended Professor Minsky on an M.I.T. mailing list after someone leaped to the conclusion that he was just guilty as Jeffrey Epstein. To my surprise, some thought my message defended Epstein. As I had stated previously, Epstein is a serial rapist, and rapists should be punished. I wish for his victims and those harmed by him to receive justice.<p>&gt; False accusations -- real or imaginary, against me or against others -- especially anger me. I knew Minsky only distantly, but seeing him unjustly accused made me spring to his defense.<p>People aren&#x27;t saying he&#x27;s &quot;just as guilty&quot; as Epstein. They are saying that:<p>Minsky (71) had sex with a 17 year old who had been trafficked and coerced, in 2001. This was several years after (1999) rumours started spreading about &quot;pedophile island&quot;.<p>In many places this makes Minsky a rapist, whether or not he knew i) she was trafficked or ii) she was coerced or iii) her age.
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