Why should you not attend medium-size gatherings after being vaccinated? It's okay to be in a group of 100 people in a plane, but not in that same group of people in a field outside? It doesn't make any sense to me. There are more people dying from shark attacks than from covid spread through medium-size gatherings of vaccinated people.<p>I feel like the CDC has this mistaken idea of how to get trust, that they will become trusted by always erring on the side of "more lockdown". But always making the same mistake isn't the way to get people to trust you, it's the way to get people to realize, oh this group doesn't really tell you the truth. They are like the boy crying wolf, giving you many false warnings and making it impossible to tell the real warnings.
Psychologically, the moment you get the first shot you feel immortal. The CDC here is offering the public health version of abstinence training. Yes, in theory you should behave like you're unprotected until two weeks after the second shot. In practice, people are going to throw a rager on the first warm weekend of spring, followed by a hedonistic summer, and it would be nice to have more guidelines about mitigating risk in those circumstances, and fewer expecting people to maintain an unrealistic strictness.<p>It's also a bummer to see basic CDC guidelines still not mentioning adequate ventilation, which helps far more than masks do, over a year after we learned the disease is airborne.
Keep in mind that if you're travelling internationally you'll still have to abide by local rules on what vaccinated people can and cannot do. In Canada, for instance, you have to take PCR tests before and after your flight, self quarantine for 14 days with an additional PCR test on day 10. The first three days of your quarantine will be spent in a government-approved hotel booked for CDN 2000 (~1600 USD). They don't care about whether you've already recovered from covid (it might exempt you from the hotel stay, but not the self-quarantine), or whether you've tested negative, or whether you're fully vaccinated.
Related to this, I don't understand why recovering from Covid and having Igm and Igg antibodies confirmed by test doesn't count the same as having received a full vaccination.<p>Isn't that exactly what the vaccine does? The end result is you get antibodies that last for several months at least, and cannot get reinfected.<p>And yet, every time I need to travel I need a PCR test. It's not often at all, mind you, but going between 2 countries is a major pain.<p>Meanwhile professional drivers, and only them, are allowed to travel with a previous positive Covid test + Igg antibodies test. And last time I crossed the border, they let in a woman who had a lateral flow test, smh.<p>It makes no sense to me.<p>Anyone has any insight aside from downvotes?
Without commenting on the content itself, this is nice public messaging. It's clear, unambiguous, quick and easy to read, and preempts most follow-up questions people are likely to have.
My daughter's boyfriend, an RN, has been fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. This week, on the advice of hospital management, he is getting the first of two jabs of the Moderna vaccine.<p>Anyone else heard of this double vaccination approach?
Not going to happen. I am not going to risk my life and my family's life on emergency use experimental vaccines. Typical vaccines are multi year efforts 5 o 6 years atleast multiple rounds of trials over longer time horizon to identify the side effects.
This must be an Onion News article. Because right off the bat CDC cannot tell me an American Citizen with inalienable rights to not gather. As the law stands today. If you don't like the law, change it.
The CDC has been horrible on this topic. They’ve been incredibly reluctant to say that vaccinated people can act any differently than non-vaccinated people...
<i>We’re still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions—like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces—in public places until we know more.</i><p>This requires more justification. If we took the cautious choice every time we didn’t have all the facts, civilization would collapse.<p>We may not have gold standard scientific studies but what is our best guess of the distribution of possible consequences of fully vaccinated people attending medium or large gatherings? How do those balance against our best guess of the distribution of costs of continuing to bar such attendance?<p>Where’s the analysis?
Appreciate the clear messaging, I think they need more coherence regarding masking, otherwise they lose credibility.<p>I also think the CDC should start to heavily invest in STI prevention now...
Good reminder that just because you’ve had the jab that doesn’t mean that everything is “back to normal.” We’re still in a pandemic. It’s still critical everyone continue to wear masks and social distance in public. Also more mutations are appearing from the UK and South Africa so likely we will need booster shots in a few months. We’re almost there but not quite.
Since I got flagged in other comments, I'll post again here. Does this imply that we will wear mask, social distancing and avoid indoor gathering until the dusk of humanity? I know my question is retarded and stupid compared to smart HN folks, so please enlighten me.
I don’t think apologists for the CDC are grasping what’s at stake here. If the government and especially government scientists are widely perceived to have lied to the public, no matter how noble a reason they think they have, it is going to further shatter faith in our institutions. This could well be our Watergate.